This is the thread where we don't sidestep the i-word.

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...and we actually try and pin it down; demistify it; make it useful; try not to abandon it; recast it as a useful relationship; talk about crap like autonomy; nail it hard so we can all get comfortable with using it again.

― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 8 December 2002 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

You shouldn't be comfortable using any word.

― david h (david h), Sunday, 8 December 2002 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

You must lead an uneasy life, David!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 8 December 2002 14:29 (twenty-three years ago)

hey dwh, stop being so indie!

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 8 December 2002 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

martin's answer made me life. almost like a gentle guidance counsellor calming the nervous student in the office.

― doom-e, Sunday, 8 December 2002 14:49 (twenty-three years ago)

life = laugh

off to nurse my hang over.

― doom-e, Sunday, 8 December 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Mobile intelligence units.

― Rockist Scientist, Sunday, 8 December 2002 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Is Gareth thinking that the i-word is 'indie'? That's not what I was assuming. I was thinking that dwh had noted that Mark S hasn't been about much, and thought we could start a discussion of his black head (that's French for bete noire) while his back was turned.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 8 December 2002 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, yea, you're right

lets get him! while hes not looking!

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 8 December 2002 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I like papas fritas.

― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 8 December 2002 17:08 (twenty-three years ago)

taking sides: steve ignorant vs. john lydon

― ron (ron), Sunday, 8 December 2002 17:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Ahem.

Common ILM Misconceptions: AKA shut up you stupid fuckers

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 8 December 2002 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

dwh no one is going to do what you want because your "question" immediately raises the suspicion that you haven't read a single thing mark s (or anyone else) has said about it

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Sunday, 8 December 2002 21:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Shh, everyone pretend you're doing something else! He's back on ILE! Hide or something!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 8 December 2002 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I have read every single thing said about influence ever since it was popped by mark. I'm searching for a post; I'll find it, then this thread'll make sense. My point is that people shouldn't be scared, shouldn't be 'sidestepping' influence (callin it the goddam 'i-word' ferchrissakes) but instead meeting it head on. (The post is something like 'ME:mark - yr always going *sigh* why don't you get off yr arse and tell us what influence means then?. MARK: haha, david - that is a v. good question. um, err, cause ilxor would feel the knelling of the christening of our doom' - note not meant to be narky, at all.)

neither was my "question", above.

― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 8 December 2002 21:46 (twenty-three years ago)

surely the use of the word 'relationship' in my "question" raises the suspicion that I have read what mark (and other people have said) - if I'm not mistaken this was the alt.word used in place of influence as a more useful, concrete, non-mystic descriptor.

― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 8 December 2002 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

haha, oops, shit.

― dwh (dwh), Sunday, 8 December 2002 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

how about this. it's only indie if its music on an independent label, otherwise people, major albums, fashion once called "indie" will now called emo or retro-alt.

and for the film world, where Salon.com just christened their "indie film" section by praising a film released by Sony, we will now call these films "art films."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 December 2002 01:06 (twenty-three years ago)

dude! whats the "i" word! im really fucking confused! help! need informitive stuph!

― Ash, Monday, 9 December 2002 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

in the original question, it looks like the "i-word" is it.

pin it down; demistify it; make it useful; try not to abandon it; recast it

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 9 December 2002 01:59 (twenty-three years ago)

shite, I'm a sucker, aren't I? Evidently I didn't get It.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 9 December 2002 02:04 (twenty-three years ago)

fremme influence venette

― ron (ron), Monday, 9 December 2002 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I think It's tough to get.

― Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Monday, 9 December 2002 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

my mission for 2003: prove there is no such thing as "it"!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 December 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks to momus jogging my memory i worked out where *i* maybe got the idea-shape for "no such thing as i-word" from viz luitzen "no such thing as infinity" brouwer!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 9 December 2002 12:10 (twenty-three years ago)

The Not-Yet Common ILM Misconceptions
1) The triple-dotted is the new inverted

― t\'\'t (t''t), Monday, 9 December 2002 15:16 (twenty-three years ago)

i thought this thread was gonna be about where we confess that we can't make our Mac accessories work properly

― zebedee, Monday, 9 December 2002 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

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...doh, makes *i* wish i had some more "i" on my computer

― t\'\'t (t''t), Monday, 9 December 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

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