Does every female rock band have to go on feminism rants?

sorry gareth, you know i still gots love.)

Or, actually, please no.

actually, i think it'd be fuckin hilarious if James A Hanna posted here.

http://www.beatboxbetty.com/photogallery/photogallery2/photogallery2/images/Mary-Kate-&-Ashley-Olsen.jpg

I have no idea what country you live in, but if you can't quite comprehend that there are severe differences in the way the females (of EVERY occupation and CERTAINLY in the US) are treated than I can unapologeticaly state that you are a complete fucking moron.

*realization creeps in...*

-- webcrack (signon29@h...), December 9th, 2002.

No. I would never say a thing like that, because if girls werent allowed to play guitar, the world would not have the Pixies; who are my favorite band.

This isnt about weather it's true or not, however. Its about weather they obsess about it. I think I agree that the question is asked too often and that contributes, but for some bands its the main focus of the songwritting, which is just retarded.

In that case...

it's about 17 degrees farenheit, clear, expecting a low of around 9 degrees tonight.
Tomorrow should be mostly clear with a high of about 28 degrees.

All these chicks like Avril and Xtina and the Sugababes and especially Kim Gordon with their "feminism" really bore the shit out of me.

"hey, Kool Thing, come here, sit down
there's something I go to ask you.
I just wanna know, what are you gonna do for me?
I mean, are you gonna liberate us girls
from male white corporate oppression?
tell it like it is!
huh?
yeah!
don't be shy
word up!"

Sonic Youth, "Kool Thing"

(oh yes, and David, fuck off and die already).

i immediately thought of this thread

how tough it must be to be a right winger, knowing your innate superiority but being passed over by, like, girls and stuff!

or...what sterling said

Geeta - my new favourite poster.

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1 medium onion, finely chopped
1/2 cup chopped coriander leaves
2 tomatoes, chopped finely
4 green chillies, chopped finely
1 cup cooked green peas
1 1/2 tsp dhania-jeera ( cumin-corainder) powder
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1/2 tsp amchoor(mango powder)
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use of the term "femi-nazi" = dictionary def. of "knee-jerk"

At first I just really liked the music; but held steadfast to my beleif that the lyrics couldn't be any good. Yet, I really listened to them, and realized that you can sing about anything, and it can be good. It can be the most inane, most over-used topic possible, but if it's well written, it always has potential. It could even be on something I disagree with (if it's a political song) and I may enjoy it - a great song is a great song. It's why people can still write love songs. Still.

I also rethought why the feminist comments annoyed me in the first place (the ones I had been seeing in magazines and on-line for a long period of time.) It wasn't really that they were said, it was how they were said. It was that they weren't saying anything new, it was that they seemed very inept, and they were just mentioning feminsim like it was a hip catch phrase to mention.

I wanted to mention re: Le Tigre that I don't think it's a great idea to think of their politics as just falling under the general same-old same-old banner of "feminism." Feminism as a philosophy or ideology is really one of the most diverse and fractious going these days, and Le Tigre's particular opinions actually do plot out a relatively specific path through a lot of the issues and debates within it. Their Giuliani line came up in other other thread, but without discussion of their first comment on him -- a note that he cleaned out all of the strip clubs in Times Square.

This is actually what I find funniest about "femi-nazi" caricatures, and this idea that feminists have a strict political agenda to impose at the expense of reasonable dissenting opinions: "feminists" as a group don't even agree with one another. Who's the Nazi: Andrea Dworkin or Camille Paglia? The bulk of people who call themselves feminists don't much like either one of them.

No one ever broke a glass ceiling by pointing at it and talking about it anyway. Why does it seem like the dudes around here care more than the chiXors anyhow? Taking sides: anti-feminist reactionary assholes v. uberfeminist frat-boy-guilt trippers?

Why does it seem like the dudes around here care more than the chiXors anyhow? Taking sides: anti-feminist reactionary assholes v. uberfeminist frat-boy-guilt trippers?

I'd guess because there's probably more guys around here than girls, for starters. If you don't think that any women care about these issues, well you sure as hell didn't go to the same college as me, that's for damn sure.

What I'm saying is by and large you get either half-jokes or reasonable answers from the girls, and downright hysteria from certain guys. What's that about? Pretty much it's about exactly what Paula said but anyway.

Rockist!er, Sexist!

Tangent: Last night I saw JD Samson in the Bedford L stop talking about eating in the McDonald's in Times Square. OMG, is the revolution OVER?!?!?!?!?

Go fuck yourselves. Have fun pointing at the glass ceiling and not actually doing ANYTHING productive to change it.

And you know for a fact how much pointless stuff gets discussed on these boards: we can be here, pointing out the glass ceiling to someone who denies its existence, or over on ILE telling bad jokes. Ally I love you but I find it just spiteful and repellent to waltz around sweeping cynical dismissals at people for actually caring about an issue. It bugs me to be scorned for taking this conversation as seriously as I've taken threads on Avril Lavigne.

Her being female and flip also in no sense dictates that she be told to "fuck off."

Didn't you get your fill of that 'victim' trope back on the newsgroup? Sheesh.

Also: women and black people should be just like the one or two that Pat Buchanan likes so much. You know, the ones that have become multi-millionaire businesswomen despite being black *and* female *and* crippled *and* stupidly republican? I mean, if people don't prove themselves to be worthy of respect from white males by beating or at least matching us at our own game then they're not worth the paper their welfare cheque is written on.

On the more general point - one (but only one) of the reasons I bother about Feminism is that for a large part of my childhood in the 60's 7 early 70's I was raised by a single-parent (Mum), my widowed Granny, and various Aunts who were also divorced/single. I think my OWN quality of life would have been a bit better if they hadn't had to live/work in a society weighted against them. And I think I'd have a better quality of life now if my beluvved didn't still have the same kinds of problems.
To a large extent it's a belief in life as a zero-sum game wrt money/power/status that still makes people think that someone else's gain/equality along those dimensions must mean a corresponding threat/loss of your own. (The extent to which this belief is justifiable within the resource-structure and psyche we have is the difficult part to flatten out, I think.)

On the music point - I blame the record-buying public. And I think Momus's identity post far above ref. self-identification/distancing was really interesting.

Ooops sorry Di I forgot to use the {/heavy heavy sarcasm} tag.

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