The Vines and The NME

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Given the proliferation of Vines-talk on the board this weekend, do we all know that James Oldham (deputy editor of the NME) has royalty points on The Vines' album, and therefore a vested financial interest in their success?

Does anybody think this to be an unconscionable conflict of interest?

Is anyone even vaguely surprised?

― Deryck Wise, Monday, 9 December 2002 14:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Makes total sense.

Is it pretty widely agreed that without NME, the Vines would be nothing?

― Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Monday, 9 December 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm. What's your source for this, by the way?

― Rayas Blancas, Monday, 9 December 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

that's sort of weird - the news comes up on his leaving 'do.

― doom-e, Monday, 9 December 2002 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

that's sort of weird - the news comes up on his leaving 'do.

― doom-e, Monday, 9 December 2002 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

move along, nothing new to see here

2000: James Oldham gives great introductory live review to Starsailor, sample line "queue up now major labels, a new star is being born!" Quelle surprise, James Oldham is simultaneously managing Starsailor.

― pulpo, Monday, 9 December 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

and look what happens...http://slate.msn.com/?id=2074875

steve k

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― steve k (stevek10), Monday, 9 December 2002 20:04 (twenty-three years ago)

source, please???

not that i don't believe it... it does explain a lot. but it explains rather TOO MUCH too conveniently to be true.

― kate, Monday, 9 December 2002 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

the entire music business is a conflict of interest. but royalty points to a journalist? Those poor sons of bitches.

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

The NME = musical equivalent of those local newspapers that are just adverts and TV listings.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 9 December 2002 21:56 (twenty-three years ago)

That's unfair, Dom.

The TV listings might at least point me towards something interesting.

― Venga, Tuesday, 10 December 2002 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

Extremely belated Vines climbdown: http://www.nme.com/reviews/the-vines/9836

[the comments, as usual, are worth a lot more than the review]

― CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 16:22 (seventeen years ago)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/artsblog/authorpics/barry_nicolson.jpg

Barry Nicolson

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 16:31 (seventeen years ago)

every music journalist ever, then :-)

― CharlieNo4, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 16:39 (seventeen years ago)

Barry Nicolson hadn't started writing for the NME at the time so I doubt it's exactly from the bottom of his or anyone else's heart

― DJ Mencap, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 19:38 (seventeen years ago)

"The NME = musical equivalent of those local newspapers that are just adverts and TV listings.

-- Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), 2002. december 9. 21:56 (5 years ago) Bookmark Link"

Wow, Dom knew the truth EVEN BACK THEN!

― zeus, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 19:47 (seventeen years ago)

nostradomus

― max, Wednesday, 20 August 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

i'm kind of shocked at how long lots of the comments on that review are. they're like the longest comments i've ever seen on the internet. is it always like that on the NME site? why does everyone write so much? are they trying to get hired??

― jabba hands, Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:29 (seventeen years ago)

I think because Britpop is like the more well-known side of indie culture in America, only EVERYONE (and I mean everyone) thinks they're "in the know"

― skygreenleopard, Thursday, 21 August 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)

the NME's fervour for the vines at the time of their first album was hilarious. i wrote a lukewarm but not vitriolic review of it for kerrang! at the time, which NME reprinted the following week, along with several other not-gleeful reviews, under the banner "the ones who didn't 'get' it".

― stevie, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:20 (seventeen years ago)

They really needed something to keep the whole post-Strokes momentum going didn't they? The Libertines are pretty much the only band they seized on in that era who went on to do anything even approaching significant.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:43 (seventeen years ago)

Because I have nothing better to do this afternoon I found myself looking through this and they were still putting the Vines on the cover in 2004! Why on earth?

Can anyone explain how exactly Roger Sanchez managed to make it onto the cover in 2001?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:47 (seventeen years ago)

that - and other questions, such as "they had a travel issue in 1990???" - probably belongs on another thread...

― CharlieNo4, Thursday, 21 August 2008 14:55 (seventeen years ago)

Also from 2001: Courtney Love twice on the cover within two and a half months. In a year she didn't actually release an album.

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:01 (seventeen years ago)

Roger Sanchez was one half of a double cover issue, 'Ibiza v Ayia Napa' - I think So Solid were on the other side

― DJ Mencap, Thursday, 21 August 2008 15:31 (seventeen years ago)

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