Now however Marcello, Jess, Sean C, Mary, Sterling, Doomie himself and several others I'm forgetting have taken the king's shilling (dean's shilling in most cases) and lots more published crits have showed up here. Is there anyone left who's 'just' a fan and has no ambition to see their pop noodlings in print??
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)
i say "never again!" every time, and then i see some way in which i can help out a band i really truly love and want to grab exposure for... and back i go.
― kate, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― kate, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)
― Honda (Honda), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― leigh (leigh), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)
What? A planner? ;)
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:24 (twenty-three years ago)
Since so many music writers are hobbyist/dallyers, does that help or hinder the gung ho pro's? Does that h or h music writing en masse? I mean, what if (and this hyperbolic to say the least) commercial pilots operated like this?Oh, today your flight is brought to you Sam, an aging boomer accountant, who lately has been spending more time at the local blues bar than with his menopausal wife. Your return flight will be done by Jimmy, a college junior who's just read Marx and now "finally gets what Tupac's talking about."
― Horace Mann, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't think there are many music writers that can afford to be full time, to be honest. To compare it to a pilot is unhelpful, because they usually have a job with an annual wage and benefits whereas it seems most music writing is freelance.
― Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)
― kate, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)
Geez... it's called natural order!!
― Aaron W, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)
Although that could be a new insult... "What??? Are you on the Coldplay again??"
― aaron w, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)
― Horace Mann, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)
― Marcello Carlin, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)
This is similar to a bumper sticker on the car of an art prof. I had in college:
Those who can do, doThose who can't, Duchamp
And that's so completely and utterly wrong, I don't even know where to begin.
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:39 (twenty-three years ago)
― ron (ron), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Friday, 13 December 2002 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)
(On the other hand, I do have one token article, under another name, in an online music magazine, because I saw a genuine need that no one else was addressing. I am not entirely satisfied with the way I handled it, however. I was not paid for it.)
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)
― Rockist Scientist, Friday, 13 December 2002 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― mal2478 (mal2478), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)
Yup. J. D. Considine said as much to me many moons ago and that's one reason why I'll stick with freelancing on the side.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Friday, 13 December 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)
chancing upon ILM a mere week ago, or so,i'd been a quite happy un-published ex-crit (by my own choice) for nearly a year;prior to which i'd written for ten years more or less regularly, if not always too productively, for a couple of different titles; had a weekly record reviews column for two and a half years on a daily paper as well, etc -- no, not in the English language ("but 'fcourse"), just wagging my mother tongue
i've done music shows on the radio, also on a regular basis, for approximately as long, but unlike writing for a mag or a daily, at this point i find the air-borne experience rather more satisfying (nope, never've had to pay any attention to any "regular playlist"; mayhaps i should count (some of) my blessings, dunno)
oh yeah, the day job's been "ALWAYS there to remind me"...
― t\'\'t (t''t), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:03 (twenty-three years ago)
― lou, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:06 (twenty-three years ago)
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)
― g (graysonlane), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)
― Roger Fascist (Roger Fascist), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:10 (twenty-three years ago)
I wish more "critics" would do this
― insectifly (insectifly), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:21 (twenty-three years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:25 (twenty-three years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)
to this Id add "just because you've listened to an entire Bowie album, doesnt make you a rock critic" :)
― insectifly (insectifly), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Friday, 13 December 2002 17:51 (twenty-three years ago)
Writing reviews/articles is the perfect medium for someone who wants a one-sided conversation.
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 17:54 (twenty-three years ago)
― Al (sitcom), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)
― Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)
I'm a fan. ¥
― christoff (christoff), Friday, 13 December 2002 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)
i think BLOGs fall into the same boat.
i'm a rock poet or a perhaps an arranger of rocks and noodles.
but definitely not a rock critic. m.
― msp, Friday, 13 December 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)
Ha!
I'm a rock lobster sandwich.
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)
ahoy matey!
eee! eee!m.
― msp, Friday, 13 December 2002 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)
"ship ahoy! Pirate cowboy!"
― Horace Mann, Friday, 13 December 2002 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)
I actually used to really dislike her writing, but I've *ahem* come around to it. I like that she's probably the most RAWK of all of the Reader writers AND she's a woman. Even if I don't like every thing she covers, that's fucking cool.
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― Curmbludgeon, Friday, 13 December 2002 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)
How come more publications don't cover classical music?
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)
What bothers me is the narrow range of discourse in rock/music criticism not the minute differences (perceived as lapses) in taste, sensibility and so on. I can't see *anyone* (male or female) writing about indie rock as being particularly provocative or original. Tired genre, tired subject. Good to have some knowledge of indie rock for chatting up people in bars, I suppose. Maybe that's what rock critics are good for.
― Curmbludgeon, Friday, 13 December 2002 22:13 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)
Huh?
Plenty do, they're just not discussed here.
Alex, did you write up VHS or Beta? this week?
― hstencil, Friday, 13 December 2002 22:23 (twenty-three years ago)
― Dan I., Friday, 13 December 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― unknown or illegal user (doorag), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 13 December 2002 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)
I don't often write about music these days but up until about 1997, I wrote tons of stuff about every possible music movement and person in it. I stopped because it felt too much like being a cog in someone's marketing strategy - someone, unlike the artistes you were covering, who hadn't known the artistes as long as you, didn't know as much as you, and was all about the control and reflected glory. And it is really boring for the reader to read that rant from me, best have new things to write about, like ARTISTS.
― suzy (suzy), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:08 (twenty-three years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 13 December 2002 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)
― sdeg, Friday, 13 December 2002 23:31 (twenty-three years ago)
― Micheline Gros-Jean (Micheline), Saturday, 14 December 2002 00:18 (twenty-three years ago)
!!!
My god. My world has just exploded.
― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 14 December 2002 00:20 (twenty-three years ago)
I have nothing against it; however I can't really think of any time I ever read rock criticism because I don't trust anyone except my own ears to tell me whether I should like something or not. I realize that isn't what many rock critics set out to do; it's just the reason I stopped reading.
― webcrack (music=crack), Saturday, 14 December 2002 00:36 (twenty-three years ago)
― Douglas, Saturday, 14 December 2002 03:24 (twenty-three years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Saturday, 14 December 2002 03:29 (twenty-three years ago)
― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 14 December 2002 03:33 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 14 December 2002 04:00 (twenty-three years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 14 December 2002 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 21 September 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 21 September 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 21 September 2003 06:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Vic (Vic), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Matos (M Matos), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― phil-two (phil-two), Sunday, 21 September 2003 07:55 (twenty-two years ago)
If this were a live chatline, you could plausibly duck the tag.
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 21 September 2003 08:36 (twenty-two years ago)
(not criticising or anything, merely postponing doing my sun-day job! :)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 21 September 2003 08:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevo (stevo), Sunday, 21 September 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― Pete Scholtes, Sunday, 21 September 2003 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)
(English music press is widely available here in the Netherlands but at twice the price, the Dutch press is lamentable.)
― stevo (stevo), Sunday, 21 September 2003 09:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― ... (gareth), Sunday, 21 September 2003 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Bob Shaw (Bob Shaw), Sunday, 21 September 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevo (stevo), Sunday, 21 September 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― ... (gareth), Sunday, 21 September 2003 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)
Obviously I can't speak for them, but I find that good writing only comes after struggle and frustration anyway... just because you can't immediately live up to whatever standard you set for yourself doesn't mean you're not a good music writer. Like... I wouldn't expect to be able to rattle off Rachmaninov concertos even after a few years of piano lessons. I struggle and get frustrated with my writing most of the time, and the end result is rarely as good as I want it to be (let alone as good as other people's writing)... yet.
― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 21 September 2003 14:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Monday, 22 September 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 22 September 2003 02:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Blood and sparkles (bloodandsparkles), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)
There isn't a single thing I've written that I don't wince at later. I've always written stuff about music, before there was an interweb, so I don't really regret even the most embarrassing stuff -- although making it public has upped the internal pressure for me.
Thing is, I don't believe in reincarnation, so this life is all I have and it's worth looking like a dick, ultimately, in order to thrust some of these bizarro thoughts and feelings I have about music out there into a harsh, indifferent world, to either plummet or float (sink or swim).
ILM itself (and some of the better music sites/blogs) is invaluable in that it can help shape some of those amorphous thoughts which would otherwise remain pretty much unformed.
Weird thing about music-crit is, no matter how good some of the feedback may be, you always remember the slagging you got for missing some obvious point, or for a clumsy expression, or for your occasional example of sheer unblinking stupidity, whatever.
― David A. (Davant), Monday, 22 September 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)
side question - how often are the music writers on this list actually happy with the work they submit?
― stevie (stevie), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 September 2003 15:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan I., Monday, 22 September 2003 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― Kerry (dymaxia), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Monday, 22 September 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)