Taking Sides: Hammond vs Farfisa; Moog vs Mellotron

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Hammond Organ vs Farfisa Organ
Moog vs Mellotron

and the winners face each other for the chance to take on the Fairlight

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 16 December 2002 16:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Hammond organ is out because of Arnold J. Rimmer, so Farsifa gets it.


Moog wins because it's inventor was the most logically named man in musical history:

*"So why's it called a Moog?"

#"Must be named after some guy called Moog I guess"

*"What? Mr Moog?"

#"Well he knew lots of techno geek stuff so he was probably a doctor."

*"Okay, Dr Moog. What was his first name though?"

#"Erm, erm... uh... Bob?"

meirion john lewis (mei), Monday, 16 December 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah but the mellotron is all over Lou Reed's "Sally Can't Dance" and is therefore classic for some terribly complicated reasons

J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Monday, 16 December 2002 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't want to choose!! i want them all!

joan vich (joan vich), Monday, 16 December 2002 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

farfisa (but only if the output is fully overdriven)
moog (personal reasons)

gygax!, Monday, 16 December 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

ARP OWNZ THIS THREAD.

hstencil, Monday, 16 December 2002 16:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Hammond = beefy and full-sounding and breathy, great for gospel and jazz and rock

Farfisa = garage-y and funky and skanky, great for hip-hop and punk and RAWK

I own a Farfisa, and not just 'cause it was cheaper.

Moog = synthesizer, very versatile and powerful and also a little unpredictable (oscillators get CRAZEE!)

Mellotron = first sampling instrument...has an internal tape reel that plays back a sample of a sound (most commonly strings or choir sounds), ie not a synthesizer...also, requires more maintenance than any other keyboard instrument EVAH

I think it's unfair to put the Moog against the Mellotron, as one is a synthesizer and the other isn't. Oh god I'm such a music geek.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 16 December 2002 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

They're all pretty good, but the Fender Rhodes is the one for me. We could have a Screamers-style ARP vs. Rhodes face-off, Stenc!l.

die9o (dhadis), Monday, 16 December 2002 17:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Rhodez rule, too.

Anybody own any of theze bitches? I've got a Sequential Circuits 6-Trak (the first synth w/midi, but hey it's analog).

hstencil, Monday, 16 December 2002 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Farfisa, please.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 16 December 2002 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Rhodes is my all-time fav keybo'd, but they're a bitch to maintain (gotta keep 'em in tune, maintain pickups, etc). I'm a much bigger fan of electromechanicals like that, as well as the Hohner Pianets and Clavinets (Clavinet D6 = funkiest instrument EVAH), and also Wurlitzers, which have a great dirty sound.

I own a helluvalot of keyboards, among them a broken-as-fuck Rhodes (currently at my friend Chris's hoping to get repaired in the future), a Farfisa VIP-200/R (with a built-in 'boom-kack' style analog drum machine...shweet!), a Crumar Performer, a Moog MG-1 (actually a Radioshack/Moog joint), a Roland JX-3P (from the end of the analog era, very nice), and a Yamaha CP-30 electric piano, which sounds almost exactly like the Rhodes when properly processed. My music-geek status is now completely known.

Oh yeah, and I SOOO agree with Sean.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 16 December 2002 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Farfisa over Hammond. A properly distorted Farfisa in the right context (which quite often happens to be psych/garage) will sound like a cross between a heavenly choir and a lightning bolt.

Moog vs Mellotron is a bit more difficult of a battle. At the moment, I'd go with the Mellotron, just cos I've heard and played Moogs for wayyy too much in the past few years, it's losing it's freshness. Plus, didn't the Beatles make their own tape loops and run them through a mellotron? I know at least Lennon did in his home recordings....

..Of course, the first two pulse wave channels on "Mega Man 2" (NES) beat out any of 'em.

Adam Bruneau, Monday, 16 December 2002 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, you are all just sooo sexy , in that cute geeky retro cool electronic musician way.. I'm all wet just thinking of you and your old analogue keyboards..

yawn

SavinallmyLove4u, Monday, 16 December 2002 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

So who goes into the Thunderdome steel cage match to duke it out with the Fairlight?

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Monday, 16 December 2002 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

TS:
Technology Has Its Own Aesthetic
vs
Adds A New Dimension to The Meaning Of The Phrase "Software Tool"

or 'Classic Cars vs Fiat Punto'
etc
etc

Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 16 December 2002 21:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Damn, you mean analog ISN'T sexy? I'm throwing all 500+ lbs. of my equipment out the door RIGHT NOW.

[insert winkeye emoticon here]

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 16 December 2002 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

farfisa
mellotron

your null fame (yournullfame), Monday, 16 December 2002 23:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Mellotron vs. Birotron: ATTAHK!

Joe (Joe), Monday, 16 December 2002 23:21 (twenty-three years ago)

i'm-a with joan. gimme em all

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 01:26 (twenty-three years ago)

vibraphone beats all

bham, Tuesday, 17 December 2002 10:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyone want to sing the praises of the Theremin?

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Tuesday, 17 December 2002 14:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Both of these are apples and organs...oranges. Sorry.

Hammond B3 - the real deal. Around 500 lbs, a tonewheel, like 18 drawbars for endless tonal combinations, always paired up with a leslie that goes for $600 in shitty condition nowadays.

VS

Farfisa - a combo organ, meant to be a portable "gigging-band" version of a real organ, reedy and trill, cut through the mix rather than beefed it up, but still a classic, even though I woulda went with a Vox Continental, myself.

And,

Moog synths - analog synths, with oscillators and filters and amps and everything, you can basically mold your own sounds from it and possibley strike upon something nobody else has.

Mellotron - The worlds first almost-kind-sampled-sound synth. Every sound on it is a loop of tape. Ingenius, in that caveman-makes-fire-with-2-sticks-instead-of-a-lighter kind of working-with-the-tech.-at-the-time sort of way, thus coming up with something pretty cool, but still really big and bulky.

4 completely different animals, like saying Brown Bear Vs. Manatee and Pirahna vs. Garter Snake.

But who am I to comment? I play guitar.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

OH YEAH, AND WHAT ABOUT THE FUCKING OPTIGAN??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

The Optigan kicks everythings ass.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:54 (twenty-three years ago)

you know what else is good, the stylophone.

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:57 (twenty-three years ago)

but whadda i know, i play triangle

unknown or illegal user (doorag), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 00:58 (twenty-three years ago)

my casio keyboard plays cool stylophoney noises.. v useful for irritating my g/f

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Err, I live in a basement apartment and own a sampling sequencer. I will take whichever sells for the most at the moment (prob. Mellotron, if it's in good condition & the right series) and Ebay that fucker for some fine active nearfields and a decent digital multitrack.

Tom Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:52 (twenty-three years ago)

4 completely different animals, like saying Brown Bear Vs. Manatee and Pirahna vs. Garter Snake.
Garter snake accidently killed off by Brown Bear in the first round.
Pirahna cheats in the second round: brings 3000 of his friends and takes out the Manatee.
Brown Bear bides his time, catches the Pirahna alone and eats him.
Brown Bear Wins!

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Alright there, Lord Custos Omega. Way to take something stupid that I said and make it into an arcade tourney. 7 points.


Actually, Tom, according to my Illustrated Encyclopedia of Vintage Keyboards (no, I'm not joking, Tom has seen this book, I think I got it at Barnes & Nobles), the Moog is selling for the most nowadays. I'm betting it's because of techno people, or the fact that it's the one you and I would probably most like to own.

Helltime Producto (Pavlik), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)

my casio keyboard plays cool stylophoney noises.. v useful for irritating my g/f
I had a cheap Casiotone back in the mid 80s. One of those hunks of plastic that sounded like a cross between a pipe organ (being played in a mens room) and a robot kazoo. Damn, I loved that.

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 02:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I've seen the Illustrated Encyclopedia of Vintage Keyboards (like I said, I'm such a music geek). What a fun book!

Mellotron's are generally going for about $3000+ on eBay and similar second-hand sources. Most 'Moog's that you'll find on eBay/whatever are really the Moog/Realistic (aka Radio Shack) Moogs, which sound neat but are among the most frustrating things you'll ever encounter, the little bitches! Nicer MiniMoogs end up going for close to $4K, depending on what kinda quality.

I personally could go for some ARP action, the ultimate for those squirty porno-funk sounds.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 15:43 (twenty-three years ago)

so i'm listening to the N.E.R.D. album for the first time today (it kinda sucks)

but do they use a Mellotron on "Stay Together"??

i can't help but think of Strawberry Fields when i hear this track

JasonD (JasonD), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 22:56 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...
...when out of nowhere, the Wurlitzer porta-organ paratroops into the fray, all barrels blazing!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck, i wanted to be the first one to say wurlitzer!

and fuck, helltime already said vox continental.

so, how BOUT that vako orchestron?

Turkey versus Eagle, McCauley is my Beagle (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 3 January 2005 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Never heard of it. Hum a few chords and I'll fake it.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Monday, 3 January 2005 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.hollowsun.com/vintage/orchestron/

Turkey versus Eagle, McCauley is my Beagle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

orchestron sample CD ROM!

(Jon L), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, Tom, according to my Illustrated Encyclopedia of Vintage Keyboards (no, I'm not joking, Tom has seen this book, I think I got it at Barnes & Nobles), the Moog is selling for the most nowadays. I'm betting it's because of techno people, or the fact that it's the one you and I would probably most like to own.

There are also, I'm sure many other reasons for why Moog's are more desirable. Not the least of which are:

a) Mellotrons weigh a fuckload
b) Mellotrons are a pain in the fucking ass to keep in good working condition. (If you've ever had the pleasure of keeping a reel to reel tape machine aligned and calibrated, imagine that multiplied many times.)
c) Moog's got name recognition sewn up on this one, considering that it was a much more available and known brand (and that it still exists now even if it's a totally different company or whatever). I mean the average non-musician/non-music geek who might have heard of the Mellotron either thinks of it as the flute sound in Strawberry Fields or the Moody Blues' string section. (Or I guess they know it in the context of PROG!)
d) Moog's got the street cred with bullshit hipster posers sewn up on this one too. (It's totally ANALOG, man. It sounds so WARM and THICK and PUNCHY. Nevermind the fact that I'm a talentless shithead who will never write or play anything interesting no matter how much vintage gear I am able to obtain and stuff into my loft in Williamsburg.)

I agree with a few others that Moog vs Mellotron is too Apples vs Oranges.

Some Mellotrons actually had tape loops of Moogs in their banks. Or combos of things like Brass + Moog or Strings + Moog.

Now, if it had been Moog vs ARP or something like that, then I'd have to start thinking.

On the other hand Farfisa trumps Hammond.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get me wrong... I'm not saying everyone who wants a Moog is a talentless shithead. I'm just saying that in my experience most of the hipsters who fancy themselves [techno] musicians are for some reason incredibly enamored of early Moogs.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

and they still can't pronounce it right < /use other facts pls>

Turkey versus Eagle, McCauley is my Beagle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Judging from bands that I can think of (Beatles, King Crimson, Kinks, Elton John, Moody Blues, Todd Rundgren, Led Zeppelin, Earth Wind & Fire, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes) that have used the Mellotron with a fair amount of success, it can't be too shabby.

But I guess most of these guys also used the Moog which brings me right back to square one.

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yamaha DX-7, favored by washed-up E-Street band members the world* over.

*Note: by "world", I mean "New Jersey"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the mellotron (even the digital emulations thereof). So does Jon Brion, I don't think he'd be able to score films without it.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The mellotron never really sounds right used on any album recorded after 1969.

Turkey versus Eagle, McCauley is my Beagle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

ts: mellotron vs. chamberlain

Turkey versus Eagle, McCauley is my Beagle (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)


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