Gilberto Gil is going to be Minister of Culture in the new Brazilian government

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Wow! One of the main protagonists of the (anti-establishment) tropicalista movement in the late 60s, who was kicked out of his country in the early 70s. What would be the equivalent of such a minister in the UK? US? other countries?

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 18 December 2002 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

in the US I think the equivalent would be "token political post". It's just a political olive branch that means nothing.

Love Brazil's new PM though.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 18 December 2002 23:51 (twenty-three years ago)

It's worse than that. Most of the leftish Lula supporters I know are appalled by this. Gil maybe have a cool history, but he's a token figure, perceived as having little in the way of a vision for an arts policy.

I have a Gil CD which is absolutely beautiful, full props to the guy as a musician ... but it's SCARY how his generation : Gil, Caetano Veloso etc. are venerated in Brazil. And what a hold they seem to have on EVERYTHING musical in the country ... from new music, to reviving folkloric traditions, to guest slots at the carnival, to choosing the music played on the national airline.

My wife suggests that it's the equivalent of Blair appointing Sting as culture minister.

phil jones (interstar), Thursday, 19 December 2002 01:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Or McCartney. urk.

Tom Millar (Millar), Thursday, 19 December 2002 02:26 (twenty-three years ago)

only both sting and mccartney stopped making good music ages ago.
i'd say it would be more like elvis costello.
anyway, i don't think elvis costello would be a good minister either. gil should keep making music and don't let politicians use his popular image.

joan vich (joan vich), Thursday, 19 December 2002 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

if Brazil's so determined to make a singer their Min. o'Cult,
they'd better pick Milton Nascimento

t\'\'t (t''t), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

why him?

joan vich (joan vich), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:12 (twenty-three years ago)

my opinion, sure enough, is based on scattered *IMPRESSIONS* and nothing but,
but Milton appears perhaps more well-rounded-ly informed on his homeland's different ethnic cultures (Indians included), he's been consistently in opposition with the military regimes there for daecades - and for that he's well-loved by his compatriots, also he *may* have an even wider and more varied supportership than Gil...

...and before i evaporate, hopelessly, amidst my personal pipedreams of tropical polito-pop
(hell' i've never even been to South America, a shame)
-- PLEASE! WILL BRAZILIANS NOW STEP FORWARD AND TAKE OVER THIS THREAD!

t\'\'t (t''t), Thursday, 19 December 2002 12:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Not a Brazilian, myself, but there's nothing wrong with Gil's politics; not only were he and Veloso jailed and then forced into exile a long time ago, but he's been very much outspoken against government brutality and for the rights of all Brazilians. Are there skeletons in his closet that I've never heard of? Also, Gil and Milton (and Veloso and Ze and Gal Costa and Maria Bethania and all them Tropicalistas) are thick as thieves. So why all the hate for my man Gil?

Matt C., Thursday, 19 December 2002 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

My wife suggests that it's the equivalent of Blair appointing Sting as culture minister.

That's fucking so wrong I don't know where to start.

in the US I think the equivalent would be "token political post". It's just a political olive branch that means nothing.

Just because our NEA and NEH are relatively worthless does not mean this is true. I have no idea what it's like in Brazil (and neither do you), but most countries' governments support/subsidize the arts to a degree that would be unimaginable in the U.S. To compare the U.S. government's minimal support of the arts to any other government's is ludicrous.

hstencil, Thursday, 19 December 2002 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

oh wonderful, especially just before Xmas -- to find that i've got this great gift now --of being misunderstood

Matt C, i don't have "all the hate" for yr man Gil!
i have lotsa love for our man Gil, and i don't think there's sth "wrong" with his politics,
it's just that i have even more love for my man Milton -- AND: if i were to choose a Brazilian star musician under whose authority to live, i'd vote for M...
(or perhaps Ze; and if M ans Z were both unavailable, i'd certainly go for G - that's about it, in theory)


t\'\'t (t''t), Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard the other day that Ze died about 6 months ago, which is a shock 'cause I never saw anything about it. Anybody know anything?

hstencil, Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus, don't scare me like that! I found this item from April of this year :

Tropicalia Legend Tom Ze Suffers Heart Attack Tom Ze, one of the founding fathers of Brazil's tropicalia movement, suffered a heart attack following a Sunday night concert in a northeastern city, hospital officials said. The 65-year-old musician complained of chest pains after performing at the Abril Pro Rock music festival in Recife, 1,200 miles northeast of Rio de Janeiro. Ze had an angioplasty to unblock one of his heart arteries and is to remain in the intensive care unit for the next two days for observation, according to a statement issued by the Unicords Hospital.

I haven't found anything else on the Tom Ze board or on any other Brazilian groups, so I assume he's okay now.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 19 December 2002 19:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Milton--whom I also love, especially on Clube da Esquina and early stuff, because his later stuff is WAY too wimpy and his bout with anorexia didn't help his voice any--would be way too nice to be in any government position, esp. in that fractious culture down there. Gil has kind of an edge, and would be great...

...or at least I thought until I got this message from my friend Dri, who lives in Sao Paulo. I asked her if Gil was taking the job, and she replied, "It is really true. He accept the invitation, but started it already in the wrong way saying that he could not interrupt his career as musician because he could not live on 8000 reais a month (2,500 dollars). The majority in Brasil doesn't make 100 dollars a month. I do not know what to think. I think Gil is a good musician. Lets hope he will be a good minister. He had already been involved in politics before, but in a very superficial way."

(I quoted her before getting her permission, and didn't fix her minor spelling/grammar errors because it's cooler that way.)

Matt C., Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for this Matt. Already put his foot in it then. As for other comments above, the bit about the hold that Gil and Caetano have on the Brazilian musical psyche is so true; they are staggering megastars and my one gripe with Brazilians is their uncritical idolatry towards these and other MPB musicians. Comparing Gil to Sting is funny, but doesn't ring true at all. Let's face it though, Gilberto Gil is a charismatic man who - and this is no trite understatement - is bound up with the fortunes of his country's people and their struggles against the dictatorship and fight for democracy. Let's hope it's more than mere symbolism - Pele was hardly a great success as Brazil's Minister for Sport. I take some of Phil's points, but I still reckon this is a cool appointment.

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree about Milton, too, Matt. He is one of my all time musical heroes, but he's hardly Mr Charisma. Then again, what am I saying? What does a Minister for Culture do - hand out money to deserving arts projects? Aside from his dodgy health he'd do a fine job in this respect.

Daniel (dancity), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

This is funny because I'm sure there's quite a few Americans (aside from just Greil Marcus) who'd wet their pants if, say, Bob Dylan was ever made director of the NEA.

hstencil, Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:45 (twenty-three years ago)

All I can think of is Parliament's "Chocolate City": "Don't be surprised if Ali is in the White House / Reverend Ike, Secretary of the Treasury / Richard Pryor, Minister of Education / Stevie Wonder, Secretary of Fine Arts / And Miss Aretha Franklin, the First Lady."

Matt C., Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:58 (twenty-three years ago)

...hope Tom Ze is well

and that Gil'll
handle his lot
more reasonably
in the days to come

and thanks, Matt

t\'\'t (t''t), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:06 (twenty-three years ago)

re : Sting == Gil.

Yeah, of course. No analogy holds 100%. I think the important points are "worthy, but not necessarily deep." It also captures the idea of "musical aristocracy" that probably made sense in the UK around the Live Aid period but is less obvious now.

Also, Sting is perceived as a more political figure here in Brazil because of all his rain forest campaigning.

It's true in the anglo-saxon world we don't have either as strong a sense of rockocracy as the Tropicalia stars enjoy in Brazil. Nor have our musicians earned props by being exiled / imprisoned by the government.

Let's face it though, Gilberto Gil is a charismatic man who - and this is no trite understatement - is bound up with the fortunes of his country's people and their struggles against the dictatorship and fight for democracy.

I take this on board. Let's hope he does a good job. I'd figure this is a role where a big name symbol could do a lot of good work.

But stencil is also right. Government funding of the arts is far more significant here than in the US. So what Gil decides is important.

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 20 December 2002 13:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Sting may have certain political associations in South America, but it's hardly the same kind of politics as taking up a post in a new left-wing government. Changing the subject slightly, I wonder what would've happened if they'd chosen someone with more of an overt black consciousness background, such as Carlinhos Brown. His schools projects seem really the kind of thing you'd want a bloke to do with his fame and money. I've heard he's got quite an ego to feed, too, but that's another matter.

Daniel (dancity), Friday, 20 December 2002 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...
revive to salute
this piece from the Guardian
about Gilberto:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,13887,1062871,00.html

Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 20 October 2003 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Unless you believe Sue Steward was somehow snowjobbed (and it doesn't read like it), an excellent and informative piece. Thanks, Haikunym.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Monday, 20 October 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

weirdly enough i'm reading veloso's tropical truth right now -- checked out from the grand army plaza library no less:

http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/00004073E9FAC073?artistid=737040&majorcatid=10001&minorcatid=40

RAD

sanskrit, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

i missed seeing gilberto speak / play a few songs here a couple months ago cuz i was too hungover :( :( :(

s1ocki, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

YOU GODDAMN GIN SOAKED JOURNALISTS
YOU NEVER WOULD HAVE CUT IT AS A TROPICALISTA

sanskrit, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

more 2008 US dates

June 19th 2008 - Highland Park, IL
Ravinia Festival Pavillion
Gilberto Gil and Broad Band

June 21st 2008 - Westhampton Beach, NY
Westhampton Beach Performing Arts Center
Gilberto Gil and Broad Band

June 22nd 2008 - Washington, DC
Lisner Auditorium
Gilberto Gil and Broad Band

June 29th 2008 - Los Angeles, CA
Hollywood Bowl

July 2nd 2008 - San Francisco, CA
Nob Hill Masonic Center
Gilberto Gil and Broad Band

July 5th 2008 - Miami, FL
Filmore at Jackie Gleason Theatre
Gilberto Gil and Broad Band

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

thx for that, was wondering about this tour

YES MY BRETHREN
LET'S HIT UP GILBERTO GIL IN THE HAMPY HAMPS

sanskrit, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

awww... SWEEET!!

was wondering if I would *ever* get the opportunity to see him live. And at Ravinia to boot (same place I saw Caetano play during his first ever US tour a decade or so ago.)

Stormy Davis, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

awesome awesome show

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 April 2008 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

did not see w/ "broad band" though

J0rdan S., Wednesday, 9 April 2008 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

He finally gave up the Minister of Culture position

curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 March 2010 05:29 (sixteen years ago)

that happened like a year ago, didn't it?

Stormy Davis, Sunday, 14 March 2010 05:31 (sixteen years ago)

Yep, he just wanted to play music

curmudgeon, Sunday, 14 March 2010 05:35 (sixteen years ago)

I was just waiting in a restaurant for some food and I heard some Brazilian music while I was there.

_Rudipherous_, Sunday, 14 March 2010 05:48 (sixteen years ago)


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