OK...Back To The Planet, Senser, The Levellers...

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...I can't be bothered to search for past threads on these but...well, let's talk about them. God, they were crap weren't they? Is anyone going to defend them?

A good friend of mine once swore that "Teenage Turtles" was one of the best songs EVER. Someone explain this insanity...

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Someone with generally good taste put "World Freakshow" on a mix tape for me - It didn't bother me - 'twas alright .. but he didn't tell me to avoid the rest of their stuff...

dave225 (Dave225), Thursday, 19 December 2002 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked them a lot when I was fifteen. Levelling the land and Zeitgeist were my faves. IF I heard "Sold it down the river" or "Battle of the beanfields" today I would probably like them.
"Another mans war" was great too. Yeah.

, Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

I remember not entirely hating Senser...but I haven't listened to it in about ten years (and I was drunk a lot at the time), so I could've been horribly, horribly wrong.

Back to the Planet were crap, as were the Levellers.

I believe New Model Army could be lumped in there too, but they pre-date those other bands, and did a lot more frowning and grimacing, thus they were hugely cooler.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

stop bringing up my past!
i'd completely forgotten about Back To the Planet. and you could probably add PWEI to the list, certainly grouped with Senser in the British 'Crusty' hip-hop bracket.

michael (michael), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh I love this thread.

Someone sing "One Way" without feeling self-conscious. I DARE YOU

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Thursday, 19 December 2002 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh no!

PWEI were fucking brilliant. The best dance / rock crossover band evah!
I defy anyone to prove that PWEI didn't rock harder, funk funkier, do weirder electronics, have better melodies and drop more trendy late 80s early 90s buzzwords than anyone else in the history of pop.

Why is it people always hate bands with a sense of humour? Even if you don't appreciate it, don't let it blind you to the other qualities.

phil jones (interstar), Thursday, 19 December 2002 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't have lumped PWEI in with the "crusties" (as they were, after all, "Grebos" originally).

PWEI were great fun.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 19 December 2002 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

i thought 'Stacked Up' by Senser was great at the time, i was 15 so...i dunno - i still think the production of tracks like 'Age Of Panic', 'Switch' and the Cypress Hill-esque interludes like 'One Touch One Bounce' is pretty hot, it certainly stands up well against the plethora of today's equivalent 'angry music for teens' from mostly american 'nu-metal'...but Senser were British, had a female vocalist, a rapper (who i think was Turkish Moslem) and a slightly different dynamic as a result...and i think if you're gonna rate an act like Asian Dub Foundation today musically, then you should be rating Senser for what they did at the time as well (i know sometimes even ADF, from the singles i've heard, despite the power and importance of their messages, can SOUND trite or even 'naive' on a musical level)

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:17 (twenty-three years ago)

i feel guilty about slagging ADF now, sorry guys :(

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 19 December 2002 23:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Speaking about PWEI, If I go to the cinema and see that Clint Mansell is responsible for the soundtrack, I do find it very hard to concentrate on the film; I just end up thinking "How is this allowed to happen?"

Matthew (faster), Friday, 20 December 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the 'Pi' soundtrack was great, his own tracks were alright...'Requeim For A Dream' i find hard to appreciate because much of it is so fucking unlistenable!

stevem (blueski), Friday, 20 December 2002 00:22 (twenty-three years ago)

...and the film was equally unwatchable.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 20 December 2002 00:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaaargh! Me to thredd!

Senser were ace but haven't worn well - agreed re: ADF, they'd be nowt without "Switch", "Age Of Panic" et al.

BTTP were pretty terrible but kinda exciting at the same time (I was 17 and impressionable) - loads of fun live, and the Orbital remix of "Daydream" is definitely worth searching.

Levelling The Land is still a great righteous pop record - file with New Model Army - but yes, the irony of thousands of student layabouts singing "One Way" in unison wasn't lost on me. The album before, whatever it's called, is good too, and a bit less cheesy.

The Poppies were ace. Shame their official greatest hits album cocked it up by putting album versions of all the singles on instead of the poptastic single mixes.

And we've got this far without anybody mentioning Chumbawamba! A small victory *whisper*Anarchy's pretty good*whisper*...

Charlie (Charlie), Friday, 20 December 2002 00:45 (twenty-three years ago)

my second favourite ever St Valentine's Day Massacre after Neil Kulkarni's Kula Shaker one. don't agree with all of it, but much of it rings truer than ever. it would have been very good on the "Conservative Impulse in Hippy?" thread:

Melody Maker 26th August 1995
THE LEVELLERS - ZEITGEIST
David Bennun

The two faces of the town both I and The Levellers cal home meet across a pedestrianised shopping street. Opposite an upmarket delicatessen, specialising in pricey, imported cheeses, sits The Kensington pub, and outside The Kensington pub sits a large and dusty chunk of Brighton's crusty coterie. The pub and the shop have an arrangement by which drinkers can order from a menu of exotic sandwiches, but I suspect this fails to put much business the deli's way. On the rare days when there's a table free, I like to doff my linen jacket, wash down brie and sun-dried tomatoes on olive focaccia with a cold bottled continental beer, and peruse The Times over the wheezing drone of the ever-present and inept didgeridoo player, the ramblings of crusty top dogs hoding court, and the slavering skirmishes between the top dogs' dogs. It's like an excursion into the past.

The weekend crusties have all got haircuts and mod gear now. Only the hard core remains; where once they looked merely grotesque, they now look grotesquely dated, as sadly anachronistic in the Nineties sunshine as the tiny sects of goths or teds that occasionally clutter up the pavement. And so it is with their standard bearers, The Levellers. Of course, The Levellers were always hopelessly out of date anyway. This is what has endeared them to the legions of smug drop-outs who embrace a fictitious past - one of happy, land-loving, free-roving agricultural communities - in preference to an unwieldy future whose most appalling prospect is not a lack of employment but the prospect of it.

The Levellers' penchant for folk music always had a footling, fuddy-duddy preciousness to it, reminiscent of chunky jerseys and pewter tankards, or of librarians gathering to play long-defunct madrigals. Even their punkish leanings were pre-empted by earlier (if no drearier) raggle-tagglers like The Men They Coudn't Hang and New Model Army. Only The Waterboys ever managed to invest electrified British folk with grandeur rather than bluster. (this does of course reveal a lack of knowledge of the territory pre-80s, but I'll let him off - RPC) But, by an accident of timing, it was The Levellers who captured the zeitgeist with backward music for backward people. Appropriately enough, now that their significance has tapered off, now that even the word zeitgeist is embarrassingly outmoded, they've given it as a title to their new album. One step behind, as ever.

The album itself could be by Del Amitri or any other bland acoustic rock group. It has the brash, rebellious bravura of an advert for Country Life butter. More than ever, I puzzle at what frightens John Major's Tories about the crusty hordes. Why should one set of dull, humbug-ridden conformists so alarm another? Like Communists and Cathoics, bigots and black ultra-militants, like Nazis and New Age cultists, these supposed adversaries have far more in common than they realise. There is nothing on "Zeitgeist", nothing in the woolly, sentimental morality, to upset the most stereotypical reader of the Daily Mail. The Levellers' music now sounds as innocuous as their quaint, nostalgic yearnings always have.

Buy it for your parents.

(I remembered this piece after being alarmed by the way an ageing-hippie friend with strong crusty connections appeared to find some common ground with the right-wing loons on the political newsgroups, incidentally - RPC)

robin carmody (robin carmody), Friday, 20 December 2002 04:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I'm not inclined to let him off for slighting the folk tradition this way. Nor the arch-dissing of The Kensington, one of the landmark
Brighton traditions!

But ... I never listened to the Levellers. And this kind of disuades me from ever starting. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Chumbawumba are great! BTW

phil jones (interstar), Friday, 20 December 2002 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

What about Mega City Four? or are they proto-grunge?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 20 December 2002 13:10 (twenty-three years ago)

nope Crustycore. Somebody say the Senseless things, then Dakota then Jolt.

monstatruk, Friday, 20 December 2002 13:12 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...
been reading all ure jibes...memories eh!i was 15 around that time heavily into the so called 'crusty' scene. roughly 10 yrs later i still have dreads hhhhmmmm, and still listen to pwei,chumbawamba,new model army,bttp,not to keen on levellers anymore saw them last yr they were awful but credit to the nation, senseless things, mega city 4,senser and all the above got me into my love of music and have made me wot i am 2day and i like me! they all have a special place in my heart so leave them alone hahahaha!

Lorna Catt, Thursday, 10 July 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone sing "One Way" without feeling self-conscious. I DARE YOU

There’s only one way of life
And that’s your own, your own, your own
My father when I was younger
Took me up on to the hill
That looked down on the city smog
An above the factory spill
He said this is where I come...
............

Nope. Can't do it...all self-concious (*blushes*) I...uh...gotta go....
(*runs away. Slamming door behind him*)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 10 July 2003 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

You should totally hook up with Dada.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 10 July 2003 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The world might fear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

three months pass...
All together now...

adaml (adaml), Monday, 20 October 2003 16:54 (twenty-two years ago)

the review I posted on this thread aeons ago seems ever more apposite now that my ageing-hippie-crusty friend is cosying up more and more (and he doesn't even try to deny it ...) to people who refer to "wogs" or believe that the racial separatist politics of 1950s Alabama "should not have been our concern" because they were "not in this country". interestingly, the only people passionately condemning the ageing racial separatist cranks right now are people of the libertarian free-trading New Right, the position I suspect David Bennun would have occupied when the chips were down (he certainly sneered at orthodox socialists quite often)

robin carmody (robin carmody), Monday, 20 October 2003 17:11 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
SHITE

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Seconded.

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

twelve years pass...

Interestingly a guy from Senser just turned up on a friend of mine's Facebook page - and it turns out he's a far right wanker. Never trust a hippy.

Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 May 2018 19:07 (eight years ago)

i thought senser had played benefits for the ant-nazi league?

chant down basildon (NickB), Saturday, 26 May 2018 19:41 (eight years ago)

Times change.

Poisoned by Johan's pea soup. (Tom D.), Saturday, 26 May 2018 19:42 (eight years ago)

ah, here you go...

https://images.991.com/large_image/image-522551b.jpg

chant down basildon (NickB), Saturday, 26 May 2018 19:58 (eight years ago)

a very long time ago when I just started my whole website thing I was offered an interview with jeremy from the Levellers.
now, the problem was I fucking hated the band (Still do), however, this was a big thing for me.
so, I did the phoner.
and the fact is, Jeremy was proper lovely, and we ended up chatting re aliens and shit.

mark e, Saturday, 26 May 2018 20:06 (eight years ago)

Levellers playing in Hull this summer, looking forward to being as far away from the city as humanly possible

A good "sexy time " album (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 May 2018 10:19 (eight years ago)

Conservative party propaganda film The Eternal Crusty: montage of Levellers band members walking about some infernal hippy shitfest looking like lost neanderthals with dog-shit encrusted dreads. "This is what Corbynistas look like, they live like rats and will spread disease, plague, leprosy, typhoid fever, cholera, dysentery, utopian socialism etc...

calzino, Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:18 (eight years ago)

The drummer from back to the planet is a top notch techno producer / DJ nowadays, he plays as D.A.V.E the Drummer and produces under another 10 pseudonyms

raise my chicken finger (Willl), Sunday, 27 May 2018 11:19 (eight years ago)

drummer from the levellers has had a horrific time recently - his son got killed by a bus when him and his mates were out mucking about late one friday night down on the seafront. year above my eldest at school, fucking awful business

chant down basildon (NickB), Sunday, 27 May 2018 12:13 (eight years ago)

top notch techno producer / DJ nowadays,

tbf "nowadays" is the last two and a half decades

we used to get our kicks reading surfing MAGAzines (sic), Sunday, 27 May 2018 19:41 (eight years ago)


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