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Here's where you talk about my end-of-year summary and the first 21 tracks in my favourite downloadables list, if you like. Also! FT readers' CD-Rs of the year for you to make at home! Over the next couple of weeks I'll be putting up the other parts of the downloadables list with more little essays on different aspects of the year. And there'll be more CD-R listings too - keep them coming!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:19 (twenty-three years ago)

really really good stuff, tom

bob zemko (bob), Friday, 20 December 2002 01:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Yr. right about the range of stuff in all arenas. I noticed the same thing drawing up my own lists. I eagerly anticipate the rest.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 20 December 2002 06:35 (twenty-three years ago)

It's my the best page on the interweb, your effort is appreciated. I really should do an end of year list, there's loads I don't put up for.... reasons. Encouragement would help.

nick.K (nick.K), Friday, 20 December 2002 12:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks Nick - I want to see a gabba.net end-of-year best of!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 December 2002 12:06 (twenty-three years ago)

that's great tom and nice one for putting my cdr up!

michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 20 December 2002 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Hehe, Love Story!

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 20 December 2002 12:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the seashells analogy Tom.

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

"and we are all dilettantes now."
perfectly sums up the year,i keep on thinking that...nice work on the article in general,tom....i'll have to get my computer sorted out so that i can get back on soulseek...
also,i too would love to see some sort of gabba.net/amp year round up...

robin (robin), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/2002dl3.html

Part 3 now up.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 5 January 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom - I'm not sure but I think that James Hyman, the guy who gives the Streets the X-Box, is an XFM, soon-to-be Radio 1 (replacing Sara Cox?), DJ. I'm not exactly sure though.

dwh (dwh), Sunday, 5 January 2003 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

As for all the 'this is some new level type shit' talk about Clipse's "Grindin" - "We Will Rock You", anyone?

Mind Taker, Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

hah

naked as sin (naked as sin), Sunday, 5 January 2003 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never been to this site before, but I just wanted to say that you have the coolest taste in music ever. Wonderful list.

Evan, Monday, 6 January 2003 18:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom E: I have been looking at these recent articles / lists of yours. The one thing I can easily agree with so far is your demotion, vs NME, of that New Rock stuff, as vs eg. Britpop. That one's clear.

Your claim about "all" being "dilettantes" strikes me as excessively universalizing. I think you are really describing your own life: so why not say "I am a dilettante now"?

Apart from that, what strikes me heavily is that I've never heard of a hell of a lot of what you discuss, and the stuff I've heard of I mostly haven't heard. It is remarkable to discover just how far apart our musical heads are.

I am surprised that you like this geezer Daniel Bedingfield. I don't know owt about him really, but I quite like this one song he released called 'If You're Not The One'. Do you like that?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 7 January 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

James Hyman does the Remix, which was the main show for bootlegs and such, and the Rinse, which I never listened to cos I suspected it was rubbish.

He is also a talking head on Dave Pearce's The Dance Years on ITV1. He probably doesn't like reminding people about that, though.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom: this is all great stuff, and I'm glad to see you writing a bit more again. BTW: possibly the greatest thing about Pinbot, assuming I'm thinking of the same Pinbot, is that her designer saw fit to incorporate a high-heel-dangling feature.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:03 (twenty-three years ago)

PF, Daniel Bedingfield is phenomenal, so much so I had to struggle with the lexicon to find the perfect adjective for him, late one night: bedroom. He is, he is so bedroom. He has this weird falsetto that feels all those other usual bad-ridden pop-falsetto cliches (haha, sashay into the fray 'gossamer' and 'aching', hello at the back 'heart-rending') but his also has something weird about it, no-one picks up on its stretch, everyone's all over Justin Timberlake's ("oooh, he's stretching" "yes, is every cell in your body helping you not get it?") when the true focus should be on the wiliest, the weirdest, the itchiest pop-weird stretch-gymnast-falsetto: the stripey-jerseyed, "look mom, I'm on the telly" Bedingfield. Big pop in little bedrooms.

Tom's point about us being "all" "dilletantes" (ie dabblers) now is interesting and ties in with his excellent point re:how 2002 has been a year of "fantastic marginalia" ie no BNFs (is that what Reynolds calls them? - see his Faves/Unfaves 2001 for pre-emptive follow-ups to Tom's thought).

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Clue: how stretchey (ie how hard he is trying) Daniel's falsetto is: on TV shows he never (poss. replace with "almost never") sings the falsetto parts: it is over-over-reaching.

Cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes I do like it Pinefox - I think it's one of the best ballads this year. I wrote about it on NYLPM and have grown to like it a lot more since - it has an intensity which is quite exciting.

The "We are all [x] now" formation is referring to the readership - if you have the capability to read Freaky Trigger (i.e. "to use the Internet") you increasingly have the capability to listen to anything you like with unprecedented ease. If you choose not to use that capability that's up to you. Like the political formations ("We are all middle-class now" - T Blair) that dilettantes sentence echoed, the idea is deliberately exclusionary and challenging to people who don't feel like, or don't want to be, the thing in question. Something might well be lost as more people become uncommitted listeners - I'd love to provoke someone (you?) into suggesting what that might be.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 January 2003 22:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Having the capability does not and never has equalled having the time, the desire or the interest, or some combination of the above. If there's something I'll eternally resist, it's the implication that the ability to do something means you *must* do something by the simple fact that said ability exists, and that not to do it is to render yourself irrelevant. That said, I don't think there's a question of losing something by the dilettante approach, in that everyone's personal pantheons or galleries or however you want to call it are always up for grabs, something in place before the Net's explosion.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 02:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned you were the arch-dilettate anyway - and you've taken massive advantage of the net to become more so. Me saying "We are all d's now" isn't me saying "We should all like shiny pop yay".

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:04 (twenty-three years ago)

PF: buy the Bedingfield album! You may not like it all, but I think you will find songs to love in addition to "If You're Not..."

Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

was there a thread on that album? i'm toying w/ the idea of picking it up and need the balance tipping.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael it's really good.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

you swayed me.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:48 (twenty-three years ago)

michael - yes there was, started by me. I nearly linked it in my previous post, but my gushing in the question is rather embarrassing now, and would probably put the PF off! Some good stuff from Tim F on the thread tho'.

Search for 'Bedingfield' and it's the first hit.

Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:49 (twenty-three years ago)

See also Church of Me, entry for Thursday 7 Nov 2002.

Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks jeff and marcello. 'if you're not the one' sounds so overblown but puts a lump in my throat *every* single time.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing about "if you're not the one" is how it raises the pop-ballad stakes just by actually mentioning words like "wife" and the idea of lifelong committment - this is, within the genre, heavy stuff and the relative thin-ness of the production pushes things even more, emphasising that it's Bedingfield alone taking this gamble, making this committment. Goodness it's a fine record.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:11 (twenty-three years ago)

i've been trying to figure out my relationship with the song for weeks. it's a complex, difficult, beautiful song.

michael wells (michael w.), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

and did any of you vote for it in the poll? no you didn't grrr ;)

Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

daniel bedingfield vs devendra banhart fite!

the net makes it just as easy to fully isolate yrself if you so wished obviously

zemko (bob), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 11:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes I did Jeff - so it would have got in were it not for your all-mixtapes nonsense!

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 12:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I meant the single we were just talking about. I voted for that!

Jeff W, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 12:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah OK no I didnt vote for that.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 12:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom E: I am glad you like the song - and very surprised. When I told Jerry the Nipper and other well-informed characters that I liked it they were, I think, far from impressed.

Possibly I should have remembered to vote for that song in the poll.

My own comment re. dilettantes is not at all an attack on dilettantes, or on you, or the music you like. It is on the excessive generalization in what you say. I might well be a dilettante myself, but that doesn't mean everyone is. If I said everyone was a Darling Buds fan just cos some people are in a position to go and buy one of their old records, the absurdity of the claim would be evident enough.

One could probably make a good case that your list shows you as very committed to one or two genres of music. I think you may indeed be sth of a dilettante, but I'm not sure that your faves list supports that view.

I agree with what Raggett says about abilities, actions, etc.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 8 January 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not sure if it fits entirely with the dilletante thing but 2002 felt like a year where boundaries were broken down (if that's not too much a cliche). I mean the way the DJ set was changed alot with bootlegs and that type of thing, and the amount of compilations coming out which just mixed everything together. 2002 really felt like a year of unity in music. Even the Neptunes etc working with Britney and Justin gave the year a kind of anything could happen feel, almost like the pinnacle of the kind of crossover trends of the last few years.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.freakytrigger.co.uk/2002dl2.html

Here's tracks 40-21 - and I've got the last chunk half finished though that's taking longer cos most of the stuff that was going to go in separate mini-essays is just ending up there now. Anything to avoid formatting separate pages.

I'm not sure that I was at all clear enough on what I meant about dilettante - I didn't mean it in a genre sense, more in a sense that the boundaries between committed and uncommitted fans of something, and between critics and fans and gatekeepers and gatekept all seem to me to be eroding. That it didn't make sense anymore to say "I am the Great Critic X and I say this year was Not Very Good but Wilco and Interpol Mattered"; or to say "I am Tom Ewing and this year Rock and Indie were Bad but hip-hop and bootlegs were Good so here are the Best Tracks".

I was renouncing any critical authority I might have because there's so much happening that it seems like mentalism to suggest that anyone can 'keep on top of it' or 'filter' it with any efficiency (things that seem to me to be implied in the idea of critics rounding up a year) - hence the 'all dilettantes' thing.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 00:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned you were the arch-dilettate anyway

Woohoo! I've found a role in life!

and you've taken massive advantage of the net to become more so.

I'm not sure if that's taking massive advantage of the net or one very small corner of same (admittedly a rich one with lots of input). I'm massively sucking down loads of mp3s without having to try all that hard and then possibly sitting on them for months at a time (potentially stretching into years!), rather than actively seeking out something and go for the instant gratification hit of whatever I might find. I only break out the iPod for trips, I go for stretches of time at work and at home playing absolutely nothing, I generally still prefer to listen to albums first and foremost. Is that me being a dilettante (good or bad or whatever) or just being cursedly lazy? ;-) Or then again:

I'm not sure that I was at all clear enough on what I meant about dilettante - I didn't mean it in a genre sense,

Ah, fret not, I didn't take it in that sense, at least! I was more considering the means by which one listens, as I was outlining above. I remember the term 'post-indie' being thrown around a bit, but sometimes I honestly feel like I'm post-music, like it's there but not necessarily the center of my heart or brain, a strange addendum one can interact with and then just as easily ignore. An odd feeling but I'm not uncomfortable with it now, or as ragingly ticked off with it as a number of posts and a few of my articles last year suggested...

And thank ya Pinefox. The Bedingfield album is most enjoyable, my review of it should be on the AMG soonish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 January 2003 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

christ tom you just keep the good stuff coming.

this one particularly is just laden with happy-bittersweet moments.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 9 January 2003 04:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah Tom great stuff, I stopped what I was doing and thought "yes!" after reading the Streets/Royksopp part.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 9 January 2003 11:39 (twenty-three years ago)

No, Garcia Marquez loves Shakira! Shit, guess I need a new Greatest Living Human Being (although if it's just "Wherever, Whenever" that's OK). I would've given Tom the GLHB title if it weren't for the inevitable inclusion of "Hot in Herre" on the list.

B.Rad (Brad), Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

b-but it was inevitable.

michael wells (michael w.), Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:28 (twenty-three years ago)

the problem with S Club Juniors is not that 'pop is a Serious Grown-Up business and not one for meddling kids' it's that they don't sing and act like kids (which the J5 did). Anyway, argument to be continued no doubt when focus group goes up - ETA?

Jeff W, Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Focus group is this weekend's priority - still need to get a couple of comments sheets from live respondees though

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

The debate won't really be continued though as most corresponents just went ooh ew Minipops.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 12:54 (twenty-three years ago)


>>> we’re living through the most fertile period for urban British pop in around a decade

>>> it didn't make sense anymore to say [...] "I am Tom Ewing and this year Rock and Indie were Bad but hip-hop and bootlegs were Good so here are the Best Tracks".

???

Looking at this latest list, the same things strike me again:

1) I don't know the records you like: it really surprises me, how divided things have become;

2) although I don't know them, as far as I can tell they appear to be massively concentrated in one or two genres; so much indeed for 'genre dilettantisme';

3) lots of sparky *writing*, as ever; I wish it was on a subject that I didn't find so alienating, or at least alien.

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

You haven't heard Space Cowboy's other song yet have you Tom?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Pinefox what I'm saying in the first bit is that British urban music is currently very creative and fertile, not that anything else isn't. I'm criticising people who say "oh 2002 was a bad year for music" as if they've heard/paid attention to all of it and saying that the critical perspective where you can pay reasonable attention to all of it simply doesn't exist anymore. It hasn't for ages but the net makes that all the clearer.

If I'd posted a list of the older music I'd got into in 2002 you might be a lot happier by the way - the Beatles and Springsteen featured and there's a Springsteen piece half-written which I hope you'll enjoy.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:45 (twenty-three years ago)

No Ronan and I really want to.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I only hear it when my friend plays the record, it's pretty stupid that it's the B-side on Crazy Talk which isn't up to much. I mean why deprive the world of such an amazing song!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 9 January 2003 14:50 (twenty-three years ago)

To my mind, the argument that the refined production methods have brought us to a new golden age sounds like an ELO fan in 75: futuristic isn't always forwards.

Ronan:
Even the Neptunes etc working with Britney and Justin gave the year a kind of anything could happen feel

For this alone, you're getting a slapping when I see you next, young man. I'd give you a sense of perspective, but I'm notoriously short on it myself.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 January 2003 15:08 (twenty-three years ago)

The great thing about right now though is that production isn't moving forward-forward-forward - producers have never been less embarrassed about using pretty much every trick in pop history, from 80s synths to 60s garage-mono rock techniques to 90s ravey stabs to turns of the 00s stutter-pop beats to 70s pile-it-high symphonic pop - someone's using it somewhere. New advances get filed away next to the old ones.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 15:13 (twenty-three years ago)

>>> I'm criticising people who say "oh 2002 was a bad year for music" as if they've heard/paid attention to all of it

Well, I agree with that. "Music" is an immense category - almost an abstraction, really - which I would not use in this kind of context.

Bring on the Boss. Perhaps all is not lost.

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 January 2003 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

New advances get filed away next to the old ones.

The death of musical history? Fukuyama would be intrigued...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 January 2003 15:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Hehe not the death but what seems to me a really nice interregnum.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The thing that I'm wondering is whether 2002 really WAS as great a year for music as your list makes it out to be (and I've heard about three quarters of the list and like almost all of that), or whether it was about as good as any other year and that you've recently fully come to terms with your dilettantism and have realised just how much great stuff there is coming out there, all the time from all over the place. There's a bit of a "wow, I'd never realised it could be quite like THIS" aspect to a lot of what you've written on the subject of 2003 that I can't *quite* connect with, however much I like the music.

I for one don't think that 2003 was actually that much better than 2002 or 2001 for music overall, but then I've been a bit of an advocate of the "all years are good years for music" approach for years.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

But once again: Tom E != dilettante

the pinefox, Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Erm, 2002, not 2003, obv.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah I think that's quite possible. I've been an advocate of that approach for years too - what's been true in my case (and I assume other people's) for the last couple of years though is that I've been able to get hold of single tracks very cheaply and easily and so dabble far more.

I started from the realisation that I had enjoyed music more in 2002 than in any year since I was about 21/22, maybe more than any year ever. That enjoyment colours my perception of the year - I don't think there is a way to objectively rate a year, to say what it "really WAS" like. All I can offer is my perspective, which was that the lack of anything 'big' to worry about made me much more open to and aware of all the great non-big things happening.

Pinefox I mean 'dilettante' as opposed to 'expert' not anything to do with what genres I am or aren't listening to. (Though my listening is much broader than the list suggests cos obviously it's not confined to 2002's tracks).

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I for one don't think that 2003 was actually that much better than 2002 or 2001 for music overall, but then I've been a bit of an advocate of the "all
years are good years for music" approach for years.

Generally speaking, my sentiments as well. Mind you, the implication Tom makes is that this particular state of mind can replicate itself for him now year after year, but in turn that means the music isn't really the point of celebration here, but the process by which it is encountered. And there's nothing wrong with celebrating a particular change in listening habits here, it just makes the list even more of a critical red herring in ways.

I wonder...what if the list wasn't numbered at all?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

The list is intended as a critical red herring, which is why I numbered it!

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

But but but irony is DEAD! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean it's not a critical red herring in that I genuinely do think people who've liked some of the stuff I have in 2002 might like lots of the other stuff, and I've tried to explain why. And I liked the tracks in the 1-20 block more than the ones in the 81-100 block, though not usually when the latter were playing. It's a critical red herring in that it's meant to have no significance beyond "here are some tracks Tom liked".

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 9 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...
so uh where's 1-20?

Al (sitcom), Friday, 31 January 2003 15:55 (twenty-three years ago)

They're really near being finished :( I hate this - basically I had a work project I knew would stop me doing anything much coherent to do with the site, and it started on the 12th or thereabouts, and I knew if I didnt get the top 100 and the focus group done before then I wouldnt have time to work on them until after the project ended, and I didn't manage it. BUT the project ended this morning hooray so I'm back to a point where I can think about FT again.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 31 January 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)


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