If Musicians Were Pro-Wrestlers...

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(I've just spent about four hours reading Powerslam back issues, so forgive me)

Probably the most discussed thing in its field at the moment. People talking about them tend to split into two camps: one claims that they represent everything wrong with the product at the moment, that they're holding back better talented, that they're despicable, contrived, and just generally ruining everything else. The other half think that they're great, and that the others hate them because they're too cynical. Both sides seem to think that they're the only person putting this view forward.

Avril Lavigne or Triple H?


Do continue, and please, no Jerry Lynn/Chad Kroeger jokes (although Christian/Jeffrey Lewis lookalike comparisons will be allowed).

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 20 December 2002 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

ah, rasslin', wonderful stuff

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 20 December 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

It would be awfully confusing for Zooga Rift, wouldn't it?

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 20 December 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Both were highly touted and heavily hyped while in the independents, achieving a great deal of success and gained a following. Both were pursued by the majors and the deal inked was a major event. Once in the majors, their weaknesses were exposed and the fans didn't buy it and thus their push was reduced. Taz(z) or Jonathan Fire*Eater?

"Everyone" likes them, but 95% of the major audience vaguely know who they are or find them boring. Fans respect their long and varied career path, culmulating with a short reign on top. Today, they're not the top dogs but still earn respect for their work. Chris Benoit or Sonic Youth?

Short performances and seemingly limited. Got enormously popular anyhow. Goldberg or the Ramones?

Created a buzz on the semi-underground level and then made a huge splash upon their debut. Excitement and anticipation over this future major talent were high. Critics love them. Then, despite relatively strong showings, their pushes got scaled back and labeled a disappointment. Don't make much noise despite occasional half-hearted pushes. Chris Jericho or Liz Phair?

Should retire already. Undertaker or Mick Jagger?

Let's not even start with all the deaths from un-natural causes in both industries.

alex in montreal, Friday, 20 December 2002 16:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Ok, I'll bite...sorry about the lack of explanations and the equating of groups and individuals...

Bob Dylan = Ric Flair (been around for a long time, still cool)

Aerosmith = Hulk Hogan (been around for a long time, not cool anymore)

J-Lo = The Rock (changed profession to movie star, still comes back occasionally, people are beginning to get sick of)

It's hard to do people like Big Show and Lex Luger (i.e. people with big "pushes" that no one ever seemed to get into) because that doesn't happen as often in the music industry (anymore), since even groups like Creed do actually have huge followings, talent or no.

Someone do Bret Hart or Eddie Guerrero.

Brian the Snorf, Friday, 20 December 2002 19:01 (twenty-three years ago)

It's hard to do people like Big Show and Lex Luger (i.e. people with big "pushes" that no one ever seemed to get into) because that doesn't happen as often in the music industry (anymore), since even groups like Creed do actually have huge followings, talent or no.

The Vines?

hstencil, Friday, 20 December 2002 19:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Andrew WK = Andrew WK

donut bitch (donut), Friday, 20 December 2002 19:32 (twenty-three years ago)

We can't forget the short-lived music career of Captain Lou Albano, of course.

Curtis Stephens, Friday, 20 December 2002 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

-Heavily hyped by people who'd seen them in their formative years, broke huge in the college circuit and given a boost by the association with a minor celebrity from New York, they were brought in with much fanfare to do quick-in, quick-out performances that were all pummel and no grace. But people swore up and down that there was more to this "next big thing" than sheer unsubtle pummelling, and months after they debuted, by the end of the year they won damn near every title and award they were eligible for.

The Strokes = Brock Lesnar?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

A dreadlocked veteran of the business with a penchant for referencing b-boyisms and yelling the word "SUCKA!" at the top of his lungs, he always busted his ass for minimal recognition until finally, after nearly a decade, he [won the title/had a high-placing chart hit]. Since then, he's been sort of shuffled to the back burner, partnered with someone who goes by the nickname "Goldie" and engaged in an uninspiring feud with a far more popular, younger and charismatic (if less-talented) ultra-mega-superstar.
KRS-One = Booker T? And the Rock = Nelly?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:30 (twenty-three years ago)


Also:

El-P would be one of those crazy ultra-flashy weirdo indy cruiserweights like Low-Ki or American Dragon. Even if he looks like the Undertaker.

Tom Waits would be Eddy Guerrero. I don't know quite how to explain this except that "they are both gifts from God and Jesus and Allah".

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Bret Hart = PRINCE!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:53 (twenty-three years ago)

(Well at least if you focus mostly on the 'Montreal screwjob' as a parallel with the Warner contract, and their penchant for 'femmy' colors. But Prince didn't have an equally tremendously-talented brother who died before his time in a freak stunt accident...)

Man this thread is fun.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and if you want to go further back:
Lou Thesz = Chuck Berry
Rikidozan = Elvis
El Santo = The Beatles

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 02:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mick Foley : Nirvana
Cactus Jack in ECW : Nirvana on Sub Pop
Mankind in WWF : Nirvana post-Nevermind
Can any ILMers name a wrestler or band that made it as big as these two without comprimising their integrity?

Marshall Stax (Marshall Stax), Saturday, 21 December 2002 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

So would the disastrous Wrestlemania 2000 Main-Event appearance count as the suicide?

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 06:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Terry Funk : Neil Young
Ain't what they used to be, but can still rock the house like no other 50-somethings. Enormously influenced the younger generation.

The Von Erichs : The Beach Boys
Controlled by their father, extremely innovative and immitated by their comtemporaries, destroyed by drugs.

Marshall Stax (Marshall Stax), Saturday, 21 December 2002 07:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Started having people really take notice of them back in 1997/1998. Only operated at a minor level then, really, but still had a lot more potential than everyone on top. Anyway, the big time came calling, and they were all over the place. Everyone wanted a piece of them... but the magic was missing. Too many people tried to use them as a short term solution to their problems, but they forgot you needed some talent to make them work.

The Neptunes or a cruiserweight division? (Thus "Britney" = The Oddities vs Kae En Tai)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 21 December 2002 09:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Crude, basic, violent, smalltime but with a much bigger following the most others on his level, doesn't have half the ability of some of his contemporaries but is still strangely fascinating. A much bigger innovator and influence on some of his peers than they let on.

Necro or Wifebeater?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 21 December 2002 09:56 (twenty-three years ago)

OK, so it was commercial, kinda soulless, and damaging to the rest of the scene. But, back in the early/mid 90s, they were absolutely huge. Credited with bringing whole companies back from the dead. Not as big as some of the other names, but people knew who they were. So, obviously, the rival companies wanted a slice. The big money deal was made. They were going to be the saviours....

And then they bombed. A huge, money haemmoraghing disaster. They kept trying to promote them, to let them do whatever they wanted, but it just got them further in the hole. They had no choice but to cut their contract. Now, the individual in question has just made a smalltime comeback, probably full aware that they're a joke in the industry, and they'll never come back to their full strength again. Also known for their massive ego.

Mariah Carey or Vince Russo?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 21 December 2002 10:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Neptunes = Juventud Guerrero/Shawn Michaels & Marti Janetti's Rockers if they were resituated in late 90s rather than early 90s..

Owen Hart = Chris Bell (Big Star - the better talented one who died the earlier tragic death.)

dwh (dwh), Saturday, 21 December 2002 10:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Chas & Dave = The Bushwhackers!

Andrew WK = Demolition!

dwh (dwh), Saturday, 21 December 2002 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

The Neptunes or a cruiserweight division?

Taking that further (while ignoring face/heel structure and current feuds and angles):
...In Search Of=Rey Mysterio Jr. vs, Kurt Angle (not technically a 'cruiserweight' feud, but felt a lot like one, and actually managed to be better than most of the feuds in that division.)

Justin Timberlake=Jamie Noble's title run: A former 'boy band' type (N'SYNC/3 Count) gets a boost of cred by retooling himself, underscoring his affiliation with the state of Virginia as a [Neptunes collaborator/deranged redneck]. This, unsettlingly, might make Timbaland Nidia.

The Clipse=Billy Kidman vs. Tajiri: There was potential here for greatness, with lots of great moments of flashiness [unusual beats/Tajiri's Muta/Masaaki Mochizuki*-esque fighting style], but there wasn't anything particularly spectacular about [Malice and Pusha T/Kidman] except ["Grindin'"/the Shooting Star Press]. Not bad, but very disappointing.

The tracks from Common's Electric Circus=James Maritato (aka 'Cousin Nunzio'): Brought in with much fanfare, crammed with tons of potential and with years of experience under his belt. Unfortunately, there was baggage: he didn't have a lot of skills on the mic. As a result, he hasn't been embraced by [radio/the bookers] as well as he should and therefore is doomed to [modest-at-best chart success/being clobbered in squash-pseudo-handicap matches by boring fat guys] for the forseeable future. (Actually, this sounds like almost everyone in the WWE's light-heavyweight/cruiserweight division since 1998.)

*I think when I start mentioning Toryumon workers I severely risk getting to esoteric for my own good. Time to go back to bed.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 21 December 2002 12:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Am I the only one who felt that Wrestleman 2k was absolutely riveting drama?

Leee (Leee), Saturday, 21 December 2002 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Referring to the main event, of course.

Leee (Leee), Saturday, 21 December 2002 22:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Doing events staffing gives you a lot of time to think about these things...

It's an intelligent, modern, revolutionary style, sure, but, at heart, it's nothing more than a basic comedy gimmick. Much loved by the "smarts", it's far too goofy to ever be embraced by the mainstream.

MC Paul Barman or The Hurricane?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 22 December 2002 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Would that make Prince Paul Kane? Explain that.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 22 December 2002 16:53 (twenty-three years ago)


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