T. Rex 2-CD Expanded Editions

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Like Tanx, with the "alternative" versions of the albums. Worth dropping $25 on?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 20 December 2002 18:34 (twenty-three years ago)

I bought most of the "alternate" albums when they were originally released separately, and while they're instructive for the fanatic (which I am), I don't really feel they add that much to my appreciations of the albums. Of course, the actual albums themselves are essential. Bolan, especially when working with Tony Visconti, was a studio perfectionist anyway, so hearing the demos without all the frills is kind of pointless. Glam rock is all about frills!

There's a track on the alternate Zinc Alloy that extends the ending where Gloria Jones and the girls are wailing uncontrollably; *that* one is pretty amazing, albeit berserk (much like the entire album).

Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 December 2002 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I was just listening to Zinc Alloy today. The production on that record really is fantastic in places -- all those rubbery guitars and screaming Gloria Joneses. And "Liquid Gang" is a real hidden T Rex gem.

But I see what you mean. Songs like "Tenement Lady" are so fantastic -- such a great Mellotron and that AMAZING out-of-tune splice into the second part of the song. I have a hard time believing the demos would do them justice. Maybe i was just imagining it would do something like splice those songs into some other fantastic snippet...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 20 December 2002 20:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Heh, I just checked AMG's review of Zinc Alloy, and it says words to the effect that the production is "too cautious". Cautious!?! It's berserk, pure and simple. Right from the very first notes of the openening track it's out of control. Where did these musical ideas come from? And Gloria Jones/Pat Hall's backing vocals are nuts. I really treasure this album; it's an amazing insight into Bolan's mind.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 20 December 2002 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

What Sean said, pretty much. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 December 2002 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

huh - I love the Rex but I've never ventured past Tanx, as the smattering of singles I've heard post-Tanx were pretty sub-par. Zinc Alloy's not with Tony Visconti is it...? Cuz I credit him with most of the production sheen that makes those early T. Rex records so great and heavy.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 20 December 2002 23:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Tony Visconti began work on Zinc but left in the middle. I think it's correct to credit Visconti for the production sound on the early records, but Zinc certainly has "sheen"... it's just of a wildly different variety. After Zinc, check out Bolan's Zip Gun; more stripped-down production, not *quite* as out-there as Zinc, but close. Lots of frenetic, fast hand-clapping, weird guitar riffs, moaning, panting Bolan, and Gloria Jones and the girls pushing the limit of aggressive, grating backround vocals. It's insane and brilliant, but you'll definately be taken aback the first time you hear it.

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 21 December 2002 00:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the only song I've heard from Zinc Alloy is "Whatever Happened to the Teenage Dream" (which is on a random single that has that, "Ride a White Swan", and "Hot Love" on it). It did strike me as pretty over-the-top, especially with the r&b backup singers.

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 21 December 2002 00:17 (twenty-three years ago)

It did strike me as pretty over-the-top

Ha! It's the most conservative sounding song on the record!

Sean (Sean), Saturday, 21 December 2002 00:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't heard much later T-Rex except for a few I've download on MP3, which I like just fine. I don't see why, but nobody I know seems to like "Light of Love" at all, but I think it's a fantastic song. That bass line, those backing vocals, the classic doo-wop structure. It's dazzling and glorious. And it's all this without strings!!

But yeah, any T-Rex is worth buying. Tho I'd recommend getting the Tyrannosaurus Rex albums first, before the alternate T-Rex ones. Especially Unicorn.

Adam Bruneau, Saturday, 21 December 2002 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Tanx, for better or worse, is the last of the classic T Rex records, and it's a rather "disposable" one at that (and given how disposable he was all along, that's really saying something).

But the more I've heard Zinc Alloy, the more I've liked it. Actually, I think one of the most interesting things about it is the plastic production of Bolan's clashing with Visconti's orchestral arrangements. "Galaxy" w/ the spacey production, that low brass coda to "Liquid Gang." Brilliant.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 21 December 2002 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

And as much as I like the record, this is a classic line from the AMG review of Zinc Alloy and the Hidden Riders of Tomorrow:

"After all, hadn't Bowie already done the Fictional Someone & the Somethings From Somewhere routine?"

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 21 December 2002 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Bowie never did anything that sounded like Zinc Alloy. Neither did anybody else.

Sean (Sean), Monday, 23 December 2002 01:21 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
Let's revive this one.

Rhino, late last year, shipped out expanded remastered versions of The Slider, Zinc Alloy, Dandy and The Wax Co. singles.

Of these, the Slider and the Wax singles are must-buys right?

And now, tomorrow brings Tanx, Zip-Gun, Futuristic Dragon and "Work in Progress" (?).

Any of these necessary?

Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Monday, 23 January 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

It did strike me as pretty over-the-top

-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...) (webmail), December 21st, 2002 12:17 AM. (link)

Ha! It's the most conservative sounding song on the record!

-- Sean (saturns...) (webmail), December 21st, 2002 12:30 AM. (link)

Of course, you are both right.

Ah, but you're both probably not here now.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 23 January 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh sure they are.

What the hell is Work In Progress? Isn't that what all the second discs are?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 03:46 (twenty years ago)

Songs that didn't make it onto the other records, right?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 24 January 2006 07:21 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
Reviving once again...

After some serious trepidation ("Zinc Alloy" left me seriously cold...), I picked up "Dandy in the Underworld" yesterday. I'm flat-out floored. One of the best T.Rex albums, period. Probably better than "Tanx".

Bolan sounds focused again on this album, where it didn't seem like he really was on the last few. It's not a 100% solid album like "Electric Warrior" or "The Slider", but I'm now of the opinion that it's required listening for anyone who's into T.Rex. I mean, "I Love To Boogie" is worth the price of admission alone (and, to be honest, that's what got me to buy the thing), but the rest of the album is just fun.

vartman (novaheat), Friday, 7 July 2006 04:54 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm flat-out floored."

Pleasing. I think it's as good as Electric Warrior and The Slider!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 7 July 2006 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Zinc Alloy" and "Zip Gun" are both great; I even think that "Futuristic Dragon", even if the production is so wrong, or because the production is so wrong, is an underrated album -on the other hand, I think the single-only releases of that era, "Laser Love" and "London Boys", are awful. "Dandy in the Underworld" is ok but I think it's the typical "return to form" album, he tries almost too hard to sound like "The Slider", etc. The title track is amazing, as is "Teen Riot Structure" for the title alone.

Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Friday, 7 July 2006 05:24 (nineteen years ago)

See, now after being killed by "Dandy...", I feel like I need to go back on re-evaluate "Zinc Alloy...", "Zip Gun", and "Futuristic Dragon."

Based on my previous experience with them, I don't really think they'll blow me away in the say fashion that "Dandy..." has, but maybe I'll find something to like about them.

I agree that "Dandy in the Underworld" is definitely a "return to form" bum that simultaneously extends the "old" sound to the point at which it's once again fresh. It's definitely not Bowie going from "Diamond Dogs" to "Young Americans" or "Low" (or even "Station to Station") in terms of radical breaks from previous sounds, but I'm not sure Bolan was interested in (or, frankly, capable of) that. I look at it more of like a "Led Zeppelin" compared to "Led Zeppelin IV" kind of thing: a nice refinement of the original (and superior) sound that produced an undeniably classic album that wasn't quite as good as the original (not trying to pick any Led Zeppelin fights, incidentally... just my opinion...)

Unlike "ZOSO", however, Bolan had 3 pretty sub-par albums in-between "Dandy in the Underworld" and his prime material which, in my mind -- and, obviously, a lot of reviewers' minds -- served to tarnish the reputation of what is actually an extremely enjoyable album. As for similarities to "The Slider" or whatever... granted. Like I said before, I'm not convinced that Bolan was ever the sort of pioneer that Bowie was. But, of course, very few of the big acts of the 60's and 70's were. Bolan was good at what he did and he struggled for a few years to try to find a way to make it work in a new musical environment. I doubt T.Rex could ever have put out something like "Low" any more than Eric Clapton could've put out something Iggy Pop's "The Idiot." It's just not what Bolan was about.

With that in mind, I think calling "Dandy in the Underworld" a "return to form" album is no put-down at all. After all, the "form" he was returning to was the art of laying down an album of absurdly addictive pop songs.

In that, I now convinced that he succeeded well beyond what was appreciated at the time. The album stands with his best work.

vartman (novaheat), Friday, 7 July 2006 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

Err, "bum" = "but".

I blame alcohol.

vartman (novaheat), Friday, 7 July 2006 06:18 (nineteen years ago)

You only put 'bum' in there to make me reread that entire post.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 July 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think I asked this on another T-Rex thread already, but anyone know if there's a 2 CD version of Electric Warrior, and if not why not?

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 7 July 2006 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

No. I don't know why not.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 July 2006 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

There's an Electric Warrior Sessions disc that kinda functions as the 2nd CD.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 July 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

oh my god

zinc alloy

oh my GOD

Early Tuesday morning, a distraught Tequila tweeted (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 14 January 2010 16:05 (sixteen years ago)

Where can you get the more contemporary Gloria Jones stuff? Anyone know?

Saxby D. Elder, Friday, 15 January 2010 17:55 (sixteen years ago)

nice to see people appreciating zinc alloy on this thread, i feel like i've never heard a nice word said about it (cept in the liner notes) i have the 2 cd version and recently almost bought a cheap used lp, a decision i now regret. totally crazy album, usually can't make it all the way through, it's a workout for the ears.

mizzell, Friday, 15 January 2010 18:07 (sixteen years ago)

Gloria Jones - Share My Love at Dusty Groove

I picked it up last year, great stuff.

Fastnbulbous, Friday, 15 January 2010 20:42 (sixteen years ago)


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