If musicians were Premier League footballers

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This mainly applies to the UK, but read the sports pages and the mainstream music press - flashy foreigners plying their trade over here, showing us how it's done when we invented Manchester United/The Beatles!

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Friday, 20 December 2002 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Seems pretty clear that Lee Bowyer = Liam Gallagher.

Matt C., Saturday, 21 December 2002 00:47 (twenty-three years ago)

(Somebody From ManU)= Robbie Williams

Carlos Alberto + Ted Sheringham = Scott Walker

however, speakin' of great *teams* of yore:
the Holland of 1974-78 = Sun RA Arkestra of same period

t\'\'t (t''t), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:08 (twenty-three years ago)

yeh, right - fuck "premier"! think global!

t\'\'t (t''t), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Shearer = Kevin Coyne

t\'\'t (t''t), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:11 (twenty-three years ago)

if Bowyer=Liam
does then
Alan White=Noel Gallagher

t\'\'t (t''t), Saturday, 21 December 2002 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

i'd say roy keane for gallagher. cos they're both cool as fuck doing what they do, and nobs off field. and bowyer is th emost graceless, rat-faced player this side of germany. and i'm a leeds fan.
oh, and pablo aimar--> fab moretti.

matthew james (matthew james), Saturday, 21 December 2002 02:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"carlos alberto + ted sheringham = scott walker"

fantastic!

bob zemko (bob), Saturday, 21 December 2002 03:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Ronaldo = Wayne Coyne. Both utterly useful, both do whatever the hell they want and come up smelling like roses.

Matt C., Saturday, 21 December 2002 03:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Hasselbaink = Goldie
George Best = Lee Perry

t\'\'t (t''t), Saturday, 21 December 2002 04:22 (twenty-three years ago)

davy beckham = baby spice

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 21 December 2002 09:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Lars Elstrup = Lee Perry. (One of these two men is a Danish ex-footballer who has started his own cult and makes unfathomable public declarations).

Liam Gallagher is surely Stan Collymore or Paul Gascoigne, for services to blond women.

Colin Bell is of course Nick Drake.

Garrincha and John Coltrane.

Err... Pele and Gilberto Gil (...both appointed Brazilian government ministers - see my thread of two days ago!)

ITV's coverage of the premiership = ITV's coverage of music

Daniel (dancity), Saturday, 21 December 2002 12:31 (twenty-three years ago)

As long as Premier League footballers don't try to be musicians, a lá Hoddle + Waddle. I'll leave it to the thoroughly excellent nufc.com to explain:

"Diamond Lights". Two words to strike fear into the heart of anyone with ears.

And when the gruesome twosome appeared on Top of the Pops, while Chris Waddle at least had the good grace to look mildly perturbed (and as if his ankle was in a plaster cast), Hoddle was in full Judy Garland "I was born to do this" mode, despite looking like Tony Hadley's binman.

Waddle's mackemism excuses him on the grounds of diminished responsibility, but Hoddle stands accused of crimes against music. Guilty is the only possible verdict.

stevo (stevo), Saturday, 21 December 2002 13:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Not forgetting The Neville Brothers, of course.

Daniel (dancity), Sunday, 22 December 2002 00:17 (twenty-three years ago)

great, Daniel! great!
-- doesn't this ever so beautifully ((mis))lead us to clubs=bands/bands=clubs !!

've been wondering for a while 'bout these:
Massive Attack = ?
Primal Scream = ?
Saint Etienne = ???

also... what the heck would be the "band equivalent" of
Manchester City ?!?

t\'\'t (t''t), Sunday, 22 December 2002 01:54 (twenty-three years ago)

(oh, sorry... khm: "footballers=musicians, slight return")

Anelka = Tricky

t\'\'t (t''t), Sunday, 22 December 2002 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

If Man U = Beatles, then of course Man City = Stones. Or maybe Stone Roses.

Matt C., Sunday, 22 December 2002 02:56 (twenty-three years ago)

mm, mebbe... m'be really... MCity = RStones
(considering the past record of both, etc?)

and now, sleepily contemplating matters of style rather than the minutae of chart placings, and (huh) quietly praying that i'll never ran into fans and supporters of either of them, anywhere ever,
whispers i:

Bolton = Bon Jovi

t\'\'t (t''t), Sunday, 22 December 2002 03:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I was going to say David Bowie = Liverpool, but they were good in the 1980s.

Damian (Damian), Sunday, 22 December 2002 10:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Not sure about Man U being the Beatles. I reckon they're more like Robbiue Williams - immmensely successful during the 90s, they keep coming back just when you think their success is finally going to wane. And they're a bunch of arrogant twats.

Daniel (dancity), Sunday, 22 December 2002 11:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Media have gone mad over them, the hype has been excessive, they're capable of moments of pure genius at times, but there's a question over their ability to keep it up for 90 minutes/an album.

Ms Dynamite or Wayne Rooney?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 22 December 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)

mayhaps i was trying too hard to doubt the bloody obvious,
and really... Saint Etienne = Saint Etienne!

o'rrrght,
and Primal Scream's surely more Rangers than Celtic,
non?

t\'\'t (t''t), Sunday, 22 December 2002 17:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Fulham FC = The Vines

Both have had a lot of money pumped into them for no real result.

Spurs = Oasis

Both think they're big time even though they haven't really done anything good for years.

BTW, if Man Utd is Robbie Williams, does that mean that Man City is Gary Barlow?

Victor, Monday, 23 December 2002 03:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Well Danny Murphy looks like Ian MacKaye of Fugazi fame.

Matt Kendall (mattkendall), Monday, 23 December 2002 08:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul Gascoigne = Kevin Shields...moments of genius in the late '80s and early '90s, and then after that, isolated contributions. QED Primal Scream = Burnley. If Colin Bell = Nick Drake, who are the prog-rock bands? Who are the Cohen/Reed-like grumps?

Damian (Damian), Monday, 23 December 2002 09:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Lou Reed = Paulo DiCanio

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 23 December 2002 10:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Gianfranco Zola=Fatboy Slim

All around nice guy, getting on in years, um........scores big cheesey housey curling free kicks.

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 23 December 2002 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

To some, the future of the English game. To others, over-rated cloggers.

Hundred Reasons = Steven Gerrard

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 23 December 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

But can we come up with a hundred reasons why Steven Gerrard is shit?

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 23 December 2002 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

There's about ten on the inside of Gary Naysmith's thigh...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 23 December 2002 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"Not sure about Man U being the Beatles. I reckon they're more like Robbiue Williams - immmensely successful during the 90s, they keep coming back just when you think their success is finally going to wane. And they're a bunch of arrogant twats."

Man United = arrogant in a good way, unlike Robbie.

Also John O'Shea has more talent in his little toe than Robbie Williams has in his entire body.

In fact, Man United = Bob Dylan.

Truly great in the 60's, still inspired in the 70's though not as successful. Mostly shit in the 80's (Empire Burlesque = Garry Birtles/Ralph Milne/take your pick) but a massive return to form in the 90's.

Inpenetrable to many, loathed and misunderstood (Manchester Free Trade Hall - "Judas"). Loved by the faithful.

Legendary.

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 23 December 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I would go for Chris Marsden = Moby, in that they're both slapheads who toiled for years in the lower divisions before finally hitting the big time in unfashionable sides (Southampton/Mute)...

except Moby's a bit meh whereas There Is Only One Chris Marsden And He Is Amazing. Plus which his quotes tend to be a bit more entertaining (I cheered when he said "We never seem to get much credit when we play these so-called better sides...")

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 23 December 2002 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

the decades don't (and can't) entirely compute, i knows,
but chances are:

Everton = The Boo Radleys

t\'\'t (t''t), Monday, 23 December 2002 16:06 (twenty-three years ago)

As in, really better than The Beatles (= Liverpool, massively overrated)?

James Ball (James Ball), Monday, 23 December 2002 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

as in

Everton = Boo Radleys
COZ!
Liverpool = Echo & The Bunnymen

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 23 December 2002 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

juan veron = mariah carey.

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 10:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Has she got a lot of goals in Europe this year as well?

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 11:03 (twenty-three years ago)

comeback 2002: a couple of goals in europe = charmbracelet.

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 11:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Is it that good a record, michael? I haven't heard it.

If only 'Mariah' hadn't been injured for Blackburn....

James Ball (James Ball), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Serviceable clogger fronted by mouthy yob that, for reasons no-one can quite fathom, is currently in the top 20. But not for much longer.

Death In Vegas' Scorpio Rising (single) = West Bromwich Albion

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

...it wd have been 2-0.

sorry, that was just lazy.

michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 24 December 2002 11:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Kraftwerk = the Hungarian national side

Damian (Damian), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Gosh, how many candidates are there for the Hungarian national team? Genius groundbreakers in the fifties, brief flowering in the late 70s, nowadays impoverished and lose to everyone. Unlike bands national football teams can't say 'we can't go on any more due to football differences' and pack it in. They've got to go on even when they're just not producing anything remotely of worth. Instead of producing a shit album they lose abjectly at home to the likes of Luxembourg. PS James Ball, U***** still inspired in the 70s? I don't remember Bob Dylan getting relegated in 1975. Neither did his fans ever try to get any of his albums abandoned, to the best of my knowledge.

Daniel (dancity), Wednesday, 25 December 2002 12:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Daniel - I picked Hungary because of its out-of-the-wayness...Germany wasn't exactly known for pop genius in the 70s, so Kraftwerk could be seen to be coming from a similar kind of isolation as the Hungarian national side, which I guess would make Autobahn Hungary's 6-3 win at Wembley.

Damian (Damian), Thursday, 26 December 2002 08:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Everton = The Boo Radleys

Christ, I hope M****n C**r doesn't Google this - he's a flaming Red. (Brave Captain = Marine drawing 5-5 at home the other week).

Fingers crossed Wayne Rooney doesn't turn out to be Roddy Frame.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 26 December 2002 22:27 (twenty-three years ago)

hard to catch the tail o' this thread at the moment, but
...well, having catched the ManU-Birmingam non-spectacle a few hours back on a cable channel,
i and i
is led to opine:

Birmingham'02 = Black Sabbath'92

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 29 December 2002 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

ten years pass...

A bit stoned, and have been rather enjoying playing this game with myself for the last half hour, so reviving this. It's quite fun. This is the one I've made stick best so far -

Michael Owen as Oasis (career-wise, as opposed to temperament or personality)

Both start their careers in a blaze of glory, hailed as the Great White Hope in their respective fields. Gradual progress being made towards fulfilling their obvious talent (or rather ULTIMATE DESTINIES) for a year or two, during which each produces a generation-defining act of genius which will necessarily and self-evidently overshadow everything else they ever achieve (Wonderwall / the Argentina goal). Each swiftly arrives at the zenith, gaining fleeting recognition as the absolute, undeniable best in the world (Knebworth / Ballon D'or) only to slide equally swiftly towards the self-indulgent and self-conscious superstardom and coke'n'Cristal glamour of Be Here Now / Real Madrid's "Galacticos" project.

Neither move works out. Cue years of diminishing returns, with frequent breaks for band splitting-up / injuries. Some small latter day return to former prominence(Don't Believe The Truth / Newcastle United). Everyone knows it's not the same, but hey, at least he's getting games/releasing new music, right?

Eventual decline into almost total irrelevance, punctuated with occasional bouts of ill-advisedly chest-thumping public statements along the lines of "We're still the best fookin' band in the world" or "I am still a great player / can still play for England / can still score goals at the top-level". Everyone decides that these outbursts are in pretty poor taste (as well as being patently untrue) and poor former idols find themselves becoming increasingly marginalised and derided throughout their twilight years as their old achievements are forgotten. When they are referred to at all, it's usually as the obvious punchline to a bad joke.

A year or two after the fact, it becomes steadily more obvious that the problem was threefold -
1) a fundamental flaw hard-wired into the DNA of our heroes - namely a weak body / collectively weak mind.
2) the natural consequence of 1) - progressive leakage of the divine essence that made them so essential in the first place - the blistering pace / lad-about-town everyman appeal.
AND
3) failure to adapt to the evolving landscape around them - gradual realisation that people are less interested in boisterous shout-along boozey guitar music / footballers with no claim to any great skill or ability beyond "being good in the box" than they were 10 years ago.

Narrative doesn't quite hang together in parts, but I don't think it's a million miles off

DISCLAIMER - none of the opinions expressed re: Oasis in this post are my own. But Q magazine's version of their career-arc was useful in this context.

Windsor Davies, Sunday, 10 February 2013 23:39 (thirteen years ago)

also, soz for the slash/dash-(brackets) approach to the punctuation. but it was hard enough work getting all that down, cba trying to format

Windsor Davies, Sunday, 10 February 2013 23:42 (thirteen years ago)

owen scored last week. what did noel gallagher do? he shat in a box, that's what.

great post btw

Thomas Puncheon (imago), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:06 (thirteen years ago)

I like seeing "10 years later..." there

Pleasing sense of changing generations populating this place. I was 11 years old when this thread was live ffs

Windsor Davies, Monday, 11 February 2013 00:14 (thirteen years ago)

you're 21

Thomas Puncheon (imago), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:21 (thirteen years ago)

what have I done with my life

Thomas Puncheon (imago), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:21 (thirteen years ago)

Trying to get Paul Gascoigne / Pete Doherty to work. You've got the whole "good friends with murderers" thing, but aside from that I'm having a hard time parleying my 13 year old self's obsessive devotion to The Libertines into a convincing parallel w/ the brilliance of early-mid period Gazza. Goal against Scotland alone was better than everything PD has ever been involved in all rolled into one. Also not sure that Gazza's ever yet descended to the low of having Kate Moss to decide that you're too much of a junky waste of space to be worth her time.

Windsor Davies, Monday, 11 February 2013 00:23 (thirteen years ago)

I guess I'm not 26 until next week, we can be young together

you're definitely posting better shit than I was at that age though. much, much better.

gascoigne is maybe crispian mills? he'll need to reify ineptly in a different medium for that to happen (does gunman negotiator count?)

Thomas Puncheon (imago), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:27 (thirteen years ago)

Haha, well thanks. Tbh most of my contributions so far have been of the "one-line passing observation" variety, but whenever I get intoxicated alone at home I tend to end up on here in the witching hours and that's when I let myself go a bit.

Don't really know much about Crispian Mills unfortunately. Think at some point I saw "Britpop/neo-psychedelia" on the Kula Shaker's wikipedia page and hid behind the sofa. Was he a genius with an awe-inspiring gift for self-sabotage?

Windsor Davies, Monday, 11 February 2013 00:35 (thirteen years ago)

ah shit i keep forgetting gazza was a genius

Black Sabbath - violence, religious obscurantism (imago), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:36 (thirteen years ago)

other bit's pretty bang-on though. maybe gazza/winehouse would be the sad but obvious comparison and it's probably time i got it out of the way

Black Sabbath - violence, religious obscurantism (imago), Monday, 11 February 2013 00:42 (thirteen years ago)

Nice post wd, but imma have to dock you marks for not working in a brochure/nme angle tbph

the right to beef at (darraghmac), Monday, 11 February 2013 01:35 (thirteen years ago)


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