Who were the British Black Flag

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chavo pederast, on the other hand....

On the other hand, wasn't "TV Party", like, a NOVELTY SONG??

chavo pederast, on the other hand....

On the other hand, wasn't "TV Party", like, a NOVELTY SONG??

http://www.cherryred.co.uk/books/burningbritainahisto.htm

Burning Britain - A History Of UK Punk 1980 to 1984
Ian Glasper
As the Seventies drew to a close and the media declared punk dead and buried, a whole new breed of band was emerging from the gutter. Harder and faster than their Œ76-77 predecessors, not to mention more aggressive and political, the likes of Discharge, The Exploited and GBH were to prove not only more relevant but arguably just as influential.
More than two years in the making and featuring hundreds of brand new interviews and photographs, Burning Britain is the true story of the UK punk scene from 1980 to 1984 told for the first time by the bands and labels who created it. Covering the country region by region, author Ian Glasper profiles not only both big names like Vice Squad, Anti Pasti, The Defects, Blitz, Anti-Nowhere League, Peter And The Test Tube Babies and the UK Subs but the more obscure Xtract, Skroteez and Soldier Dolls.

The grim reality of being a teenage punk rocker in Thatcher¹s Britain resulted in some of the most primal and potent music ever committed to plastic. Burning Britain is the definitive overview of that previously overlooked era.

UK 16.99 Europe 17.49 Other 17

Wire.

is there an equivalent to black flag? i mean aside from the music, the impact of SST as a label, and the long-term effects of how much touring they did throughout the country....

There isn't really an equivalent but as some said upthread the nearest I can get is Crass. They played gigs in all sorts of random places, had their own label(s), very inspirational to other bands at the time, later in their career they played more experimental, defiantly un-"punk" music.

I was trying to think if there were any labels started by UK punk/hardcore bands that achieved anywhere near the success of SST and all I could come up with was One Little Indian... which, nah.

OK nobody upthread said it was Crass. But pretend they did.

R.Peni or Vorhees

Sorry ,Voorhees

The Stupid Things?
UK Subs?
CRASS?
Mega City Four
Napalm Death?

Pretty difficult to draw a mirror line across the 2 different scenes isn't it?
The Membranes? certainly seemed to have a cross country network of acquaintances who did a lot of travelling around setting up zines etc.

But what aspect of Black Flag are you talking about. Their seminality, their setting up of networks through travel, or their brutal heaviosity?

I was thinking Discharge then saw someone mentioned it. GBH?

But in terms of establishing the fundamental importance of independence and self-made networks … Buzzcocks. Albeit for only one single.

Henry Cow

Pink Floyd

OTM

black sabbath

http://kukqphoenix.com/src/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/frank.jpg

"But in terms of establishing the fundamental importance of independence and self-made networks"

yeah, then it really is crass. good time frame too. 1979 to 1984 basically. impact felt like a bomb all through the 80's. iconic logos. mythos. etc. i don't know if crass had the early word of mouth hysteria that black flag had. by 1980/81 they were already legendary and feared and whispered about. i think it took crass a little longer to get that kind of reaction and at their height they called it quits and black flag didn't.

Discharge most likely, Crass also contenders, mainly for the reasons scott just said.

Throbbing Gristle as a write-in.

Difference with Crass is that they were so tied in with one network – anarchism – that's it hard to trace their influence anywhere outside Crass records, except for Conflict and Chumbawumba. You don't get millions of bands who sound nothing like Crass proclaiming them an inspiration the way you do with Black Flag.

But, yes, for establishing a way of doing things …

That's not really true - Suede have proclaimed Crass as an inspiration, well Brett A. has anyway. Tim Burgess of the Charlatans, etc etc etc.

I would have said that Cravats/Very Things/DCL were pretty different, but then early Cravats records were on Crass so I sort of defeat my own argument. But then the breadth of different sounds on Crass sort of supports it - the influence of records released by Crass is huge and covers a lot of genres.

I reckon the Crass logo, certainly when I was younger, was as ubiquitous as the Flag bars are perceived to be. Pretty much anybody who listened to non-mainstream music was aware of them, particularly around the time How Does It Feel To Be The Mother Of A Thousand Dead was being debated in the House.

Actually, are Crass the British Minor Threat/Iain Mackaye? "Pay no more than" etc.

I don't know anything about Minor Threat and I don't know how popular Black Flag actually were but Crass were VERY popular

Subhumans = Minor Threat

Bear in mind Crass kind-of invented the "pay no more than" thing, along with the "emblem invented without adding it onto officially sanctioned merchandise" um, boots.

yeah, i would say crass definitely influenced a lot of people who didn't sound like them. all the DIY action in england circa 1980/81/82. they played a part in that. and its true that lots of crass records stuff doesn't sound like them just like not all sst stuff sounded like black flag.

crass records and sst good parallels! they both had the hippie vibe too! thanks to ginn and penny.

I would say Subhumans = Dead Kennedys, Conflict = Minor Threat, if anything. Sense of humour vs militancy

also ginn and penny two label dudes who end up pissing off a lot of people. oh i could go on and on.

and the danger element. two bands that actual authorities in power worried about. which is pretty rare even though punks like to think that they are badass.

big difference would be sst had iconic bands on their label and crass...didn't? crass records did have anarchist dance mixes though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j91Rgn7Yok4

okay they put out flux and rp singles but not huge chunks of their iconic discography. dirt would be iconic to other crust people.

The Mob are iconic to me.

..and Annie Anxiety.

i remember buying this when it came out cuz i was such a huge crass fan and i brought it home and went uhhhhhhhh..............ended up loving it though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNtmvM7IJnw

you know what i mean by iconic though.

that poison girls song makes me want to cry. really brings me back. another bloody bomb song...

how could i forget the poison girls? also incredibly iconic (in my house).

and yes, "take the toys from the boys" is amazing.

yeah..

Also, Kukl. I didn't like it much, gave it to a Sugarcubes fan.

yeah the answer to this has gotta be Crass... and along with Poison Girls, Mob, Annie Anxiety, Zounds, and Rudi Peni I would also add D&V to the personally-iconic list.

love Hit Parade too, all that stuff.

i'm glad it only took us 11 years to figure this out.

I had an answer to this but then I woke up and it drained away like water.

You guys saw these, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0u04EqNVjo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubzKiomuUB0

And there's also the one on Winston Smith/the DKs.