Jerry Lee Lewis VS. Johnny Cash

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Which first-gen rocker was the most hellacious?

Horace Mann, Thursday, 9 January 2003 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

http://mypage.bluewindow.ch/pbalzer/images/Jerry_Lee_Lewis.jpg

Do you really have to ask?

A Jerry Lee Fan, Thursday, 9 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

damn fool question. Nobody tops the Killer. Much as I like Mr. Cash. But Johnny Cash never set fire to his guitar on stage.

pauls00, Thursday, 9 January 2003 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.hiponline.com/artist/music/l/lewis_jerry_lee/jerryleelewis-bio.jpg

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 9 January 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

And hell, even Gene Vincent could tear-it-up better than Johnny C.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 9 January 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, no question at all. Johnny Cash was the tough as nails farm boy who will kick your ass and JLL was your typical cousin-fucking hick.

David Allen, Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

You're next, asshole!

TheKiller (ystrickler), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Did Johnny Cash beat his wives?

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I love Johnny Cash, and have loads of his albums, but Jerry Lee Lewis is one of the pantheon, up there with anyone ever.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 9 January 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Jerry Lee's the ultimate hell-raiser, and ultimate survivor. (Does this guy have nine lives or what?)

Having said that, I think the all-time greatest punk rock moment came in the mid-70s, when Charlie Rich, presenting the award for best artist during the Country Music Awards, set afire the paper containing John Denver's name.
Mr. Cash stomping out the lights at the Grand Ole Opry and playing "San Quentin" at San Quentin is not far behind.

Jim M (jmcgaw), Thursday, 9 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually saw Jerry Lee perform once. It was when I was in high school at this sort of wannabe-Disney amusement park in Orange County called Knott's Berry Farm, during the late 1980s. As we were walking around we noticed this sign saying that Jerry Lee Lewis would soon be performing in this sort of fake "town square" area they had set up. Since we'd already been on all the good rides two or three times that day, we said, What the heck, let's check it out - even though we didn't know much about JLL other than that he was the guy who did that "Great Balls of Fire" song. So out comes this lanky, middle-aged guy, and sure enough, he plays "Great Balls of Fire", and some other tunes I don't remember. I don't remember being particularly impressed, but rockabilly wasn't my thing at that time.

o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Jerry Lee rocks, but Johnny Cash touches my soul. It's not always about kicking ass.

Kerry (dymaxia), Thursday, 9 January 2003 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Kerry, you should listen to "There Must Be More to Love Than This"!

BTW, there's a whole lotta Jerry Lee on this radio show (complete with link to RealAudio archive):

http://www.wfmu.org/Playlists/Spazz/spazz.20010927.html

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 9 January 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Jerry Lee Lewis, because he was never reduced to playing Depeche Mode and Soundgarden covers to appease the post-alterna crowd.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 January 2003 00:05 (twenty-three years ago)

That version of "Personal Jesus" is pretty damn sweet. And not all that far off from the original demo. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 January 2003 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Hard to choose, but I certainly listen to Cash a lot more (and not just because of the Rubin albums, the older stuff as well).

Seen them both live once, and Cash was better.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 10 January 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.luma-electronic.cz/lp/c/Cash/cash_lookatthem.jpg

(I probably think JLL has made the greater records but this is my favourite LP cover ever).

Tim (Tim), Friday, 10 January 2003 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't see the appeal of Jerry Lee Lewis. Maybe he sounded okay at the time, but these days he sounds flat and rubbish. Other early rockers (Buddy Holly, Chuck Berry etc) don't sound flat now - they still sounf amazing. On the otehr hand, early Johnney Cash (actually, pretty much ALL Johnney Cash) sounds fantastic these days, so I have to be firmly in the Cash camp.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 10 January 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Jerry Lee Lewis was alright, but Johnny Cash is superior in every expect. This question is almost silly.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 10 January 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, for Chrissake, Johnny Cash is amazing in every respect but hello, JERRY LEE LEWIS. The man who, when asked who the members of his band were on the Sun records, very reasonably answered, "*I* played on em! What the fuck else do you need to know?" Indeed.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but that's the problem with Jerry Lee. Everybody talks about the anecdotes, but the majority of his music doesn't really measure up.

Nicole (Nicole), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

"Great Balls Of Fire" holds up SO MUCH BETTER than "I Walk The Line"...

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

"Great Balls Of Fire" holds up SO MUCH BETTER than "I Walk The Line"...

Maybe, but where is Jerry Lee's 'Mercy Seat'? Johnny Cash got better after Sun.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 10 January 2003 16:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, but that's the problem with Jerry Lee. Everybody talks about the anecdotes, but the majority of his music doesn't really measure up.

This is why, per the other JLL thread, YOU NEED TO HEAR HIS MERCURY RECORDINGS. (NB: I love Johnny Cash too.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 10 January 2003 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Amateurist, you'll be pleased to know I've just ordered 'Killer Country'.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Great! You'll love it!

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

(I hope.)

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Well I've got a bit of a wait as I tagged it on the end of an order for something else from the States and it'll take a few weeks, but I'm sure I won't be disappointed. I like what Jerry Lee country I've heard.

James Ball (James Ball), Friday, 10 January 2003 18:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Over the weekend I found JLL's 1995 album Young Blood, and it's surprisingly good. It's not of American Series redemptive/transcendent value, but it's a solid album, proving that as recently as 8 years ago, the Killer still had it. I've also heard many accounts that his concerts continue to be raucous and sometimes as long as 3 hours.

Horace Mann, Monday, 13 January 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...
This is impossible to answer for me. "Killer Country" is actually one of my all-time favorites, but with Cash you have "the voice". Let's just be grateful for the recorded output of both.

Now Carl Perkins, well...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:43 (twenty-two years ago)

both (over elvis)

jack cole (jackcole), Thursday, 6 November 2003 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...
Yay for Jerry Lee Lewis!

adam... (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 November 2004 01:55 (twenty-one years ago)

My one shot at seeing Jerry Lee was in '89 or '90. I was still sitting in the bar when people started streaming in, saying that he hadn't shown. It felt like the Jerry Lee Lewis experience anyway.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 29 November 2004 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Then there's Jerry Lee Lewis on the Tom Snyder show in 1981, shortly after undergoing surgery for "a teacup-sized hole" in his stomach that nearly killed him. The interview was via satellite from Jerry Lee's home. At one point Snyder called him on smoking a cigar that JLL hadn't quite successfully hidden with one hand behind the couch back.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 29 November 2004 10:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And JLL on Robert Palmer's "Jerry Lee Lewis Rocks!": "Well, that's a good book. But I didn't see any money from it. So you tell him that the next time I see him, I'm gonna kill him."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 29 November 2004 10:50 (twenty-one years ago)

jerry lee's "live at the starclub" is one of my candidates for the best rock and roll albums ever - and i hate live albums! on the other hand, "at folsom prison" is pretty amazing too. i can't choose.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 29 November 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I listen more to Cash these days, but Johnny Cash and Jerry Lee Lewis is an impossible choice.

And anyone who hasn't heard the lesser-known JLL Sun sides ("Big Legged Woman," "Deep Elem Blues," his Elvis covers, "My Carolina Sunshine Girl," "You Are My Sunshine") is missing out.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 29 November 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all about Jerry Lee's country sides. For a sampling of the massive all-inclusive Bear Records box try these three CDs.
Killer:The Mercury Years
Volume One 1963-1968
Volume Two 1969-1972
Volume Three 1973-77
You could lose yourself here. He's an acquired taste, though.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 29 November 2004 11:17 (twenty-one years ago)

only one is cousins with Jimmy Swaggart.

shookout (shookout), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

JD is wise to cite Live At The Star Club - my favourite rock record ever, and the most exciting album ever made, I think.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 29 November 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Lewis' career lasted for a couple of years. Cash's lasted for, like, 50 years. A hint, maybe....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 29 November 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

bullshit, Hungro. Jerry Lee had huge country hits in the late sixties, a "comeback" not requiring the Lanois-like stink of Rick Rubin.

Baby's packed all her soft things and she's left me she's left me she's left me...

rumple., Monday, 29 November 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

JLL has been playing and recording for 50 years, Geir. Johnny got co-opted by the Nashville establishment, JLL did not. JLL's country stuff is far superior to Cash's. JLL never did dumb novelty songs or got all Jesus-southern-liberal. His Sun stuff kicks JC's Sun stuff all over the map. So for me, it's Jerry Lee all the way. Cash became a great figure by surviving, but I don't really want to hear a lot of his music. Over the years I've come to like Cash better, sure, but he in no way compares to Lewis. Lewis was a great singer and pianist, the greatest pianist since Monk!! Cash married into the Carter Family; Lewis married whoever he felt like. Lewis was always too much his own man to have had a TV show and success like Cash's, and to me that's its own twisted integrity.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 29 November 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

JLL's got a new album of duets coming out soon, and he sounds terrible on the recent Willie Nelson Outlaws & Angels live record. But I still love him.

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, phone-in duets, the most undignified kind of death. Jerry Lee's voice has been shot since the early eighties.

Jerry Lee actually had a one-off TV show, a very surreal experience available on DVD (not counting the five pilots shot for Holiday Inn circa '68/'69 or so). He plays guitar (well) and sings a bone-chilling gospel number accompanied by a black quartet. Incredible. There are some sublimely terrible duets with that indescribable creature Linda Gail as well. Jackie Wilson and Carl Perkins are the guest stars.

I can still hear the music in the restrooom....

rumple., Monday, 29 November 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

do you know who released the DVD, Rumple, that I may track it down?

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

checking amazon uk, look for The Jerry Lee Lewis Show (1971). May be available in the states as well. There is also a legit DVD of Jerry Lee's In Concert performance circa the Huey Meaux album that is absolutely torried. A SUBLIME C.C. Rider.
I have so much JLL crap I may be misremembering the gospel quartet/guitar thing on the TV special, it may be on the Holiday Inn pilot. If you get the TV show and it's not there, lemme know and I'll dub you a copy. It is something to see.

Got a Maytag tongue with a sensitive taster...

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

anybody remember the 20/20 episode where Geraldo confronts Jerry Lee over the death of one of his wives (JLL is alleged to have offed two of them).

"So is the Killer A KILLER?" intoned the imperious, finger-wagging Geraldo.

horribly classic.

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

JLL is one of the few original rockers I'd knock off the canon. His records come off thin compared to Little Richard, he lacks the wit of Berry, the sonics of Elvis, the vision of Holly, the everything of Bo Diddley.

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"the vision of Holly."

isn't that on a Hallmark card somewhere?

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

>JLL is one of the few original rockers I'd knock off the canon. His records come off thin compared to Little Richard, he lacks the wit of Berry, the sonics of Elvis, the vision of Holly, the everything of Bo Diddley.

Pretty good compared to Al Jolson and Hank Williams, though.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

naw, they beat him, too, esp. Jolson.

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

no accounting for taste, eh? Whilst there's no arguing the 'canon' in regards to Elvis vs. JLL, I almost never listen to The Great One but JLL is never far from the turntable.

And nobody can match the cheap chaos of his mid-seventies recordings.
Note I say "cheap."

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm... maybe i judge too soon?
anything as bananas as Chuck Berry's "From St. Louie to Frisco"?

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

year specific, 1973.
"Drinkin' Wine Spo-Dee-O-Dee."
"Dungaree Doll."
"Goldmine in the Sky."
"Meat Man."
"Silver Threads Among the Gold."
"Margie."
"Hold On I'm Comin'."
'Just A Little Bit." (If thats the title of that Roscoe Gordon song)
etc

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

these are shambolic, sad and darkly funny performances dressed up in naugahyde, Boone's Farm and bullet holes in the ceiling panels. Middle age crazy at its most desperate. I turn to them often.

His version of 'Memphis' from this period ain't bad, either. In Jerry Lee's trembling, angry hands, reads as a convincing argument for NAMBLA.

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

make that NAMGLA as in 'Man-Girl Love.' ha.

Seriously, I can't recommend JLL's London Sessions/Southern Roots period highly enough, but one must hear the complete stuff, because that's where the meat is, man.

When you get to this period I think the thin-ness is part of the charm.

I love these records.


rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Comparing Jerry Lee's 'Margie' to Ray Charles's 'Margie' (the killer live version from the 64? 65? live ABC album) I see no difference in quality, which is saying something. They both have a similar sly, suggestive and dealing-with-less-than-a-full-deck attitude to which I completely relate and surrender myself to.

"My little Margie..."

rumple, Monday, 29 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing I've always loved about JLL is that he never shied away from inviting comparisons to his rivals. He frequently covered Elvis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Ray Charles, etc, and made their signature songs his own, within the 2.5 minutes he was doing them, at least, if not at all in in the larger world.

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

also put his stamp on signature songs by Charlie Rich, Carl Perkins, Merle Haggard, Willie Nelson, Ernest Tubb, Hank Williams,Kenny Rogers, Kris Kristoferson,Billy Swan, Ella Mae Morse and Leadbelly.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jerry Lee Lewis, because he was never reduced to playing Depeche Mode and Soundgarden covers to appease the post-alterna crowd"

Nine Inch Nails might've been more up his alley.

Head like a hole
Black as your soul
Jerry Lee would rather die
Than give you control darlin'

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone seen a tracklisting for his new duets album? I have the fear.

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

From http://www.jerryleelewis.nl/en/NewAlbum.htm :

Old Glory with Toby Keith
Jerry wrote this song and plays piano and organ in it.
I Saw Her Standing There
the Beatles' song. Duet with Little Richard.
Pink Cadillac Bruce Springsteen song
Travelin' Band Creedence Clearwater song
I've Got A Few Years On You Baby Willie Nelson song
The Pilgrim Kris Kristofferson song
Rock 'n' Roll Led Zeppelin song
Evening Gown Mick Jagger song
Keep Your Hands To Yourself Georgia Satelites song
That's What Makes An Irish Heart Sing Van Morrison song
Before The Night Is Over piano and organ by Jerry
Trouble In Mind with Eric Clapton on guitar
That Kind Of Fool
Last Cheater's Waltz  

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:34 (twenty-one years ago)

from the same website, I don't know what most of it means, but I know what some of it means:

Op het Internationale Documentaire Festival Amsterdam (IDFA) gaat de documentaire Don't fuck with the Lewises van Ronny Kristoffersen in première. Hierin wordt verslag gedaan van een 'turbulent' bezoek aan Jerry's zus Frankie Jean, die nog steeds woont in het dorp waar zij zijn opgegroeid: Ferriday, Louisiana (zie deze website voor meer informatie over haar museum).

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

BabelFishified:

On the international documentary festival Amsterdam (IDFA) the documentary Don't fuck with the Lewises van Ronny Kristoffersen in première goes. Report is done of 'turbulent' visit to Jerry's zus Frankie Jean, which lives still in the village where they have grown up: Ferriday, Louisiana (to see this Internet site for further information on its museum).

Huk-L, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"the greatest pianist since Monk!!"

Somehow I don't see this cutting a lot of ice with Geir.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

given the choice, JLL is the man to beat. He might have burned out earlier, but he definitely raised more hell in the meantime. No matter what, when you put them head to head I think JLL would have taken it as a performer. Say whatever you want, but Jerry could play circles around just about anybody.

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

JLL's music is really under appreciated these days. That being said, I don't think he has had near the influence of Johnny Cash. Both of them have very deep catalogs of music that are hard to compare one as being much above the other, but Cash did more bringing other talent to the public via his live show, collaborations and songs by other writers he sung.

Cash may have crawled into a cave to die, but they don't call Lewis "The Killer" for nothing. Jerry Lee is an original psycho rock star.

earlnash, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, Jolson and JLL--he compared himself to those guys, not so much Berry and Penniman. That duets album, I dunno.

I like Johnny Cash a lot--to me he's an acquired taste. To my mind, elevating Cash over JLL or Faron Young is all hipstered out and kind of lame, just like all these people getting into Solomon Burke over that last album and maybe missing Howard Tate's comeback--Tate can still cut it, Burke cannot. Not to say that JLL can really cut it any more, but shorn of the mystique, Cash really couldn't either. So it's down to the classic recordings and as said above, JLL in his Mercury country period is way overlooked. You do hear stuff like "What Made Milwaukee Famous" on WSM radio here in Nashville--they play all the hits. Even knocked-off crap like "Memphis Beat," on some Pickwick comp of his '60s rock and roll, is cool. Lewis's "Old Tyme Country Music," reissued on Collectables, is a really great one too, the best mellowed JLL rockin' stuff.

Anyway, I think Charlie Rich was better than both of 'em.

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

What he said, esp. the last part. Case closed.

lovebug starski (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"the greatest pianist since Monk!!"
Somehow I don't see this cutting a lot of ice with Geir.

No, that would be Tony Banks ;)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway, I think Charlie Rich was better than both of 'em.

charlie rich was blessed with a god-like voice that gave him a pretty huge running start over both jc and jll. george jones trumps 'em both, too.

and i've got no problem with either jc or jll.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...

jerry lee lewis, particularly for 'hows my ex treating you?"

Filey Camp, Saturday, 18 August 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

this thread is chock full of weird ideas (the idea that "i walk the line" doesn't hold up compared to "great balls of fire" - kinda like saying refrigerators don't hold up compared to iceboxes; the idea that johnny cash was some kind of sell-out for his brilliant late-career reinvention of his entire persona; the idea that JLL's records "don't live up to the legend"; yeesh, the list goes on...)

J.D., Saturday, 18 August 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

Cash could get pretty crazy, too, if we're gonna talk craziness. I'm thinking of him and Sammy Davis Jr. pulling (and shooting?) pistols in an Australian hotel lobby in the '50s -- an incident that led to Cash's writing "Don't Take Your Guns to Town."

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 19 August 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

Then on the other hand, you got Jerry Lee parading his way through "Big Legged Woman" ("I bet my bottom dollar there ain't a cherry in this house!"), ending with the edict "It's a HIT!"

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Sunday, 19 August 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

Johnny Cash burned down a national forrest and got away with it. His music and legacy -- and even his anecdotes -- are more important than the killer's. But the Killer remains great. As a rock and roll performer and a country singer, he is unparalleled.

Perhaps the dumbest thing said in this thread is the slagging of Solomon Burke. If anyone ever had a successful artistic comeback -- it's him. His pipes are made of un tarnished gold.

UncleTomfly, Sunday, 19 August 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)


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