Does Talking About Music Kill It?

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I dunno, I mean, in theory, there is no reason why music itself as an aesthetic category should be any less prone to and justifiably in the realm of criticism. But somehow there is the fact that no critical stance on music can exert as much control on the listener (directly) as it seems like happens to movies or books.

Granted, the other mediums as just as disposable, but perhaps it has to do with...direct intangibility?

Well, I have a lot more I'd like to say, but I'm finding difficulty organizing it. Maybe someone else will state it better.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 13 January 2003 21:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Shhhh!

― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Heh...

Just remember, we're talking about music in general, not specifically. So I think that makes this thread exempt, in that case.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 13 January 2003 21:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Does talking about music kill it? Really? Let's try:

TEEN POP TEEN POP TEEN POP TEEN POP TEEN POP!

Is it dead yet?

― Motel Hell (vassifer), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I mean the experience of listening to it. Does the dry, sterile, life-less apparatus of trying to justify the greatness of a track, band, or album, much less describe it, merely further desiccate it? Something about taking it from the ambiguity of pure phenomenon-experience and then writing down words (hardly phenomenon-experience; quite the opposite) as a way of justifying your experience and trying to tie it down to intellectual experience - which has NOTHING to do with your pure experience unto itself.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 13 January 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

why would anyone want to kill teen pop?

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well you never know...

― Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:08 (twenty-three years ago)

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― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:10 (twenty-three years ago)

So this is where my cigarettes went.

― jot eff pe, Monday, 13 January 2003 22:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Dom, you are brilliant.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

does listening to music kill talking about it?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Didn't Frank Zappa say "Talking about music is like fishing about architecture"?

― Steve Munro, Monday, 13 January 2003 23:35 (twenty-three years ago)

No, I'm pretty sure it was "fisting about architecture."

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 13 January 2003 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Not sure about hte above, but he did say this: "Most rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." which I like a lot.

― Charlie (Charlie), Monday, 13 January 2003 23:44 (twenty-three years ago)

It was dancing about architecture.

This thread is about the one topic that cannot be discussed on ILM, isn't it?

― jot eff pe, Monday, 13 January 2003 23:45 (twenty-three years ago)

(oh noooo, Zappa's rock-jurno quote AGAIN!N!N!N!)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:50 (twenty-three years ago)

sure it kills the wonder to a degree. where's the freakin butterfly we dissected in grade school? dust?

i think the internet has taken a lot of the magic out of visiting the record store as well for very similar reasons.

i remember a time when seeing an obscure record with "thrill jockey" or "touch and go" was usually reason enough to buy it.

ice cream was a lot more fun before i knew it was fattening too.
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― msp, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

There's nothing worth doing that isn't worth talking about.

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

only if you're too busy listening to the talk to hear the music.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:14 (twenty-three years ago)

I just wish that someone could have recorded Minnie Mae Flutterby's final words!

― Fred the Butterfly, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:31 (twenty-three years ago)

There's nothing worth doing that isn't worth talking about.

i like better:

"Everything worth doing is worth laughing about."

― msp, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 03:55 (twenty-three years ago)

Some music is far more worth talking about than listening to. i do enjoy analysing pop and chart stuff (what does it tell us that artist X is popular?) and knowing a bit about context can be very useful.

I tend to think it's impossible to not talk about it, actually. People will not shut up.

― threemetalinsects (threemetalinsects), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 04:41 (twenty-three years ago)

i love talking. i love expressing my emotions

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 07:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Nick Southall to thread.

Oh, I'm here.

No, it doesn't. Not anymore!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:53 (twenty-three years ago)

― gareth (gareth), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:06 (twenty-three years ago)

music is good for making real and public some of those emotions and ideas and shapes of notions which you don't yet know how to say in words: the musician follows the logic of the sounds, w/o imposing the logic of extant discussion and belief, and reveals stuff that words haven't really got to yet (music is prophecy, talking is science)

you never talk about them = you are ashamed or frightened of what you found out

saying someone's name a lot is the opposite of talking about them, of course: motel hell to kill yr fear of teen pop you have to formulate insightful sentences abt it, whatever the cost to yr sensibilities, you have to study it, mull it over, explore the contradictions of yr own position — then one day you'll wake up and find it no longer controls you

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:18 (twenty-three years ago)

ps bis's new version of power puff girls themetune = greatest song evah recorded

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never seen the Power Puff Girls. Am I missing out?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I like "fishing about architecture" better, actually.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

i think one of the best things about music is to talk about it, share your emotions with other people and maybe argue when you don't agree with them... always sharing a beer and having a laugh and saying "u r all gay" when you run out of reasons to convince the other persons.
why are we all here otherwise?

― joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:04 (twenty-three years ago)

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