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Forwarded from another list, written by Fed Mills of Magnet and others.

THE LETTER THAT SPIN WON'T PUBLISH:
Gee, Spin, thanks a fuck of a lot for all that hip rock journalism in your February issue - the one with ace face cover stars Sum 41 acting, you know, all punk rock 'n' stuff. Do your writers, like, come up with all these brainstorms - hard-hitting Q&A with diva-in-training Kelly Osbourne, an article on pet-rock-in-training Kimya Dawson (aka Daniel Johnston w/tits), a satisfy-the-ad-execs/feature-by-numbers on Audioslave, lead record review on Dashboard Confessional (8 stars, with a bullet! a bullet! a.!), and of course a laddish-yet-p.c. piece on self-empowerment porn (SuicideGirls.com, although if those skanks are for strokin' then color me eunuch-tinted distressed)?!? Or is there a single editor we can blame for the qualitative nosedive Spin has been in for the past year?

I'd rag on you, Spin, some more for the Readers Poll 2002 (Strokes, White Stripes, Weezer and Gwen Stefani, good; Creed, Britney, Christina, Avril, Pink, bad - now that's some serious thinking outside the ol' ding-dong rock 'n' roll box, yo!) except someone just handed me a copy of the new Alternative Press. I mean, christ - Good Fucking Charlotte sweeps the A.P. poll? Weren't all the mooks who read that rag into, like Korn and Tool five minutes ago? Hard to say what's worse, being an A.P. writer and forced to accept the fact that he's essentially writing for a teenage wasteland of morons that keeps regenerating itself with each new trend, or simply being an A.P. writer, haw-haw-haw!

But back to you, Spin. I mean, you couldn't even get the goddam Sum 41 cover right, could you, Yes, yes, yes - we all knew the minute we saw it on the Bi-Lo newsstand that it was supposed to be a cheeky nod to the first cream pie-splattered Damned album sleeve from '77. Punk 'n' all that. Uh-huh. So who was the rocket scientist in charge of approving actual cover photo? 'Cos if Sum's Jay McCaslin is s'posed to be playing Captain Sensible, he ain't wearing no "punk" shades for the role - oh, wait, I forgot, he's the resident heart-throb of the group so you've got to have at least one doe-eyed/spike-haired/fashion-shoot cutie on that cover to help shift copies of the magazine to what is apparently your rapidly-dropping median age target demographic. Good business, there. Still, if that is the case,
then there's something gnawingly creepy - shades of A.P. - about grown men and women, ostensibly careerists engaged in "real" music journalism, pandering to 14-year olds. Jimmy Carter may have confessed to having lusted in his heart on occasion, and I don't think one can be busted for statutory rape just for thinking about it, but hey, watch out for the next wave of anti-paedophile legislation, the thought police have promised that payback's gonna be a bitch! Just ask Pete Townshend. (Aside: Did Seventeen buy out Spin when no one was looking?)

As a friend of mine who still writes for Spin (but is looking elsewhere as I write, hence his remaining anonymous here) confided in me in a recent email: "Okay. You're right. I'm not even defensive about this anymore. I'm writing for idiots. And I mean that in both senses of the word "for" - readers and editors. They're floundering here and are desperate - you've noticed how much the magazine has shrunk, haven't you? All the ads are going to the Maxim clones. But the pay is still okay here, and the resume looks good, relatively speaking. Hey, you want to finally get that zine we were talking
about going?"

Indeed I do.
Fred Mills/Asheville, NC

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

glass houses

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't publish that, either.

― hstencil, Monday, 13 January 2003 21:45 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.magnetmagazine.com/home/cover57.jpg

So, in the past three days, that's Maurice Gibb, General Galtieri, and irony.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

That's terribly weak writing if its Mill's at all.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:48 (twenty-three years ago)

It is. Or it's at least from the guy who's answering Fred's mail...

-Matt, but you never know, do you?

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:51 (twenty-three years ago)

bullshit letter, and I'm not just saying that as Good Charlotte's biggest fan (over 20 at least).

Goddamn that Tom Petty cover cracks me up every time.

The idea of Spin selling out is absurd. Just because they aren't knee-jerkingly green lighting Matador records. As much.

Though now I'm more curious about AP...Good Charlotte won all that?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Forget the letter, what's with Petty? How did he end up looking worse than Keith Richards at a younger age?

I'm not just saying that as Good Charlotte's biggest fan (over 20 at least).

Biggest or only? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Keith Richards? He looks like Lucinda Williams!

― g.cannon (gcannon), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

How come former radio-whore/MTV hall of famer Tom Petty is such a big rebel now and former radio-whores Boston, who are the very least on an indie now, are totally getting ignored! Especially when Boston never conquered the video format like this honky did.

Now Bryan Adams should stick it to the man. Or Eddie Money.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

And why proclaim they are selling out nowdays? Or does Fred hate Sum41 as much as I do?
But Bryan Adams was on TOTP!

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:58 (twenty-three years ago)

both Spin and Magnet are crap mags. But I am curious what were Magnet's Top 20 albums of 2002?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Forget the letter, what's with Petty? How did he end up looking worse than Keith Richards at a younger age?
One can only hope that expression is because he just read my review of The Last DJ!

Making fun of Spin because it panders to youth is barely revolutionary; people have been doing it for years and years. I used to think that Spin was actually a better magazine too, but then I realize that it was just pandering to ME when I thought so, and I grew out of it. Same with AP. As for Petty on Magnet, I dunno, one part of me wants to say why not? but then the other part of me thinks that one Mojo is already enough.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 13 January 2003 21:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom Petty looks like Beth Gibbons.

― Cozen (Cozen), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom Petty looks more like Iggy Pop !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Petty's new Iggy Pop look secures him as the spokesman for this generation's indie crowd.

(har har I are so funny)

(har har my use of improper grammar only enhances said "funny")

― Curtis Stephens, Monday, 13 January 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

DJ stole my Iggy Pop comparison :'(

― Curtis Stephens, Monday, 13 January 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Eddie Money: Interview with a Revolutionary

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Is there even one intermittently decent quasi-mainstream pop-music monthly magazine left? I can't think of one, with the arguable exception of Mojo (arguable because it's best on the "quality" pop of 10-40 years ago, or contemporary pop that's similarly atavistic). The only music mag I still subscribe to is The Wire; I say that not with smug pride, but with the sadness of someone who used to remember when Spin was fairly feisty and interesting and when Magnet showed promise.

― Lee G (Lee G), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

SPIN's been twirling down since the 90s. I still remember the newspaper print version of SPIN in the late 80s, with Byron Coley's regular column -- which was the reason I ever first heard of Spacemen 3 or Tall Dwarfs, to name many others.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 13 January 2003 22:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, the whole how-can-grown-adults-write-for-14-year-olds thing is pretty stupid, but Spin did seem to be better at any other point in its history that you can name. I used to enjoy the front section (I guess during Weisbard's tenure?) when they would profile random people who had little to do with music. They introduced me to Nan Goldin, Bret Easton Ellis, etc etc. Oh, and the Butthole Surfers, but now I kind of wish that they hadn't.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 13 January 2003 23:19 (twenty-three years ago)

SPIN was good when one could still expect to find good writing by simon reynolds. i still consider finding his mini-article on chain reaction/basic channel records one of the defining moments of my teenage years. also, chris norris' article on "sound boy" culture at the end of 98(?) was good as well. also, there was an article on ambient music in like 94 that pursueded me to buy ...I care because you do. i am really a bit sad that the magazine stinks now.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 13 January 2003 23:46 (twenty-three years ago)

How the hell is Spin worth getting so worked up about? What exactly about their mission are they betraying by putting Sum 41 on the cover? Anyway, Sum 41 and Kelly Osbourne are a lot better than sleazy-ass, "not-for-sale"(?!?) Tom "you got lucky babe when I found you" Petty. I'd rather read about Kyle Petty; he's got better hair.

― Kris (aqueduct), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:01 (twenty-three years ago)

Lee: If you find one, shout. Loudly.
I have hopes that Alan Light's new mag will be worthwhile, but that won't be ready for a bit yet....

― bucky wunderlick (bucky), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)

age 15: I read Spin, make fun of Spin (I still recall some article calling Juliana Hatfield a "high priestess of mindf!ck" as the moment when I realized you had to take the mag w/a grain of salt - and I LIKE Juliana Hatfield)...

fast-forward to present, age 25: I read Spin, make fun of Spin. Come on, is the ridiculous stuff any more or less so than it was a decade ago ? The fashion spreads kind of suck, I admit.

AP, however, used to be worth my time - though I was big industrial dance fan at the time, that might account for it.

― daria g, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I can say without any doubt that Fred Mills did not write that letter. One, because it doesn't scan like him. Two, because it scans like somebody who in the very recent past believed that SPIN was "better than that."
Yes, Avril Lavigne and Pink bitch about Britney Spears, because they're peers. But Magnet and SPIN, not by a long shot. That would be like Nick Cave going on for hours about Spears. Mills has better things to waste his time on, and I'm beginning to think that I do too.
Maybe off topic, but after only two weeks or so of following, ILM, I'm beginning to get bored of it. Or at least played out.

― horace mann, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Fred Mills' writing, this seems out of character. It sounds more like that miserable guy who has been writing the backpage column in Magnet for far too long.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe Kurt Vonnegut actually wrote this letter.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Joan Jett, I'm betting.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:12 (twenty-three years ago)

what a good letter, fuck those assholes in the music press who keep things shallow and boring.

― jeff, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 05:22 (twenty-three years ago)

No argument with the the general gist (whatever happened to Kurt's "Corporate rock magazines suck" T-shirt?). But hey, lay offa Petty. Guy never wanted to be anything more than a rock 'n' roll star, and he's written more good songs than most people you can say that about. Oo, he looks old -- now there's a friggin' crime against nature, huh? Sheesh.

― Jesse Fox, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:10 (twenty-three years ago)

turn yr irony detectors up jesse.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom Petty wrote this.

― original bgm, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 06:35 (twenty-three years ago)

A quick read of the letter suggests that whoever the writer is, what they're mostly cross about is that a member of Sum 41 wasn't wearing shades in a recreation of a punk album cover photo.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:20 (twenty-three years ago)

As annoying and horrible as SPIN is these days, but is it so much different from The Village Voice or the New York Times these days? I would guess that the author would not agree, considering that the whole letter is written in that obnoxious Voice flighty-conversationalist style.

― Your Best Friend, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Ooh. Pretend that there's not an accidental "but" after that comma, okay?

― Your Best Friend, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:22 (twenty-three years ago)

careful, half of ilx writes for the village voice these days.

― Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:23 (twenty-three years ago)

I can say without any doubt that Horace is incorrect about his assessment of the letter's origin. As to his growing boredom, i can only take that at face value.

-Matt, just the facts, man.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

SPIN sucks? Whadda scoop!

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay, look, I'm a journalist. A real one, not a "rock" one (though I do that too, sometimes), and I see frauds everyday, particularly in the letters to the editor dept where I spend about three hours every damn day. My task there is to verify that the name signed to the letter is the name of the person who actually wrote it. After six years, I can eyeball fakes about 90% of the time. There isn't even a whiff of authenticity to this letter, there's nothing to suggest that it's anything other than a fake. Corey DuBrowa, maybe, Fred Mills though, come on.

The burden of proof is on your shoulders Maxwell. I think YOU wrote this. And why WOULD Spin publish this letter? I mean, how can you criticize a mag for it's readers' poll result?

― Horace Mann, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

#1. The letter is too long to be printed. Dude needs to work on being concise.

#2-99. Until SPIN or any other media outlet becomes a not-for-profit endeavor, calling them a "sell-out" is fucking moronic. The giveaway: They're floundering here and are desperate - you've noticed how much the magazine has shrunk, haven't you? All the ads are going to the Maxim clones. Ads dictate content dictates readers dictates ads dictate readers dictate content dictates ads.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

The burden of proof is on your shoulders Maxwell. I think YOU wrote this.

Uh, no. Saw the original post myself forwarded from the terraobscura list.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

careful, half of ilx writes for the village voice these days.

Yeah, but that was sort of half my point.

― Your Best Friend, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

talking about magazines in the states... whatever happened to puncture? i used to like it back when i could read it more often. is there any other mag that's following the same style?

― joan vich (joan vich), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:59 (twenty-three years ago)

THE LETTER THAT PENTHOUSE WOULDN'T PUBLISH!

I never thought it could happen to me, but last night I found myself in between two of the sexiest chicks I've ever seen. I was at out of town on business and ...

― Horace Mann, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Horace Mann wins.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:17 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.altpress.com/sections/issue/10-25-1999/index.asp?issueid=167.3

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.altpress.com/sections/issue/10-25-1999/index.asp?issueid=167.3

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Last try:

http://www.altpress.com/sections/issue/10-25-1999/cover-167.3.jpg

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

If you don't believe it's authenticity Mr. Mann, then you're more than free to mail Fred's bad 'ol self and ask him.

-Matt, wondering where he left his copy of _Double Indemnity_.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Skipping 9 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Tom sed: "A quick read of the letter suggests that whoever the writer is, what they're mostly cross about is that a member of Sum 41 wasn't wearing shades in a recreation of a punk album cover photo."

Indeed, the letter writer, Fred Mills, sed: "'Cos if Sum's Jay McCaslin is s'posed to be playing Captain Sensible, he ain't wearing no 'punk' shades for the role."

Well, not to be Johnny Pedantic (who?? ME?!?), but it's Sum-41 vocalist Deryck Whibley who is in the Captain Sensible position (and not wearing shades of any kind). Bassist Jay McCaslin's actually playing the RAT SCABIES role.

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd400/d484/d4846711i8h.jpg

The point being that if letter-writer Fred Mills is going to get all indignant, he should at least get his facts fuckin' straight. Fuckin' novice.

My biggest problem with this issue of SPIN (and there are plenty to choose from, but SPIN hasn't mattered since `89 or so....at the latest) is that whistle-headed Editor-in-Chief(du Jour) Sia Michel felt the need to reproduce the original Damned cover on her Editor's Letter page....JUST IN CASE YA DIDN'T GET IT. What's the point of making an allusion if you're going to clobber people over the head with it?

Oh yeah, and Sum-41 are crap, of course.....but at least they're better than Good Charlotte (for whatever that's worth.)

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 January 2003 07:43 (twenty-three years ago)

what besides you might lose snob points is wrong with reproducing the album cover you're tributing inside the magazine whose average audience is as old as the (not terribly well known, generally) album?

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 17 January 2003 07:48 (twenty-three years ago)

"what besides you might lose snob points is wrong..."

Interestingly worded. Took me a few minutes to unwrangle it.

I understand your point, but it just reminded me of an Oliver Stone sorta-stunt, i.e. don't credit your audience with enough intelligence to figure the symbolism/allusion out for themselves, but BEAT THEM OVER THE HEAD WITH IT. The cover of DAMNED DAMNED DAMNED is pretty iconic in the history of Punk Rock, and it's not entirely obscure. Let'em solve the puzzle on their own. Don't spoon-feed them the answer.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 January 2003 07:53 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, originally it was "what besides losing snob points" but that didn't scan. should've been "what aside from..." instead. my fault. I see your point too, but as cover allusions go it's not exactly With the Beatles or Purple Rain, it's a fairly (and maybe unjustly, though I've never heard it) obscure album.

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 17 January 2003 07:58 (twenty-three years ago)

(meaning yer average high school-going Spin reader isn't necessarily going to remember it. which is part of Mills's point, though he worded it so stupidly it negated what what might have been an interesting critique)

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 17 January 2003 08:01 (twenty-three years ago)

True, but if SPIN were as "Hip'n'Punk" as they so desperately want readers to believe them to be, they'd relish the fact that not everyone was picking up in the relatively obvious (in Punk circles) imagery....and not give the answer away. Thus, the "hipper'n'punker" folks whose approval they seek would lend them credibility, and the less informed readers would simply think their art-director has an inventive streak.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 17 January 2003 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Generally explaining references (like explaining jokes) = dud

Is Sia Michel actually whistle-headed?

Whatever happened to Michael Hirschorn (sic)? (Don't say Inside.com)

― James Blount, Friday, 17 January 2003 08:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Did anyone read the latest Magnet? Fred M*lls' year-end wrap-up is mind-numbingly idiotic and depressing...

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:53 (twenty-three years ago)

I miss Puncture. Twas the best.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 January 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

I just showed this to my friend Rod Smith. His reply: "If I were the Spin editor in charge of responding to that letter, I'd have written, 'Come on, Pete, we don't tell you how to edit Your Flesh.'"

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 05:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Matos, that's fuckin' genius. I owe Rod Smith a drink.

― Joe Gross, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Joe, we all owe Rod Smith a drink.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 23:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Is there a worse writer, more confused thinker and generally useless person than Fred Mills? What a dolt.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Fred and me are great friends. Not. "Dolt" is putting it very kindly. Turd-o-rama.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

That letter is just embarassing to read; confused, poorly constructed sentnces, bad syntax, stupid "jive" interjections. This guy is a writer for a living? I mean how is that possible? That's not a rhetorical question; how can someone write so poorly and be paid for it?

I'm convinced that on some level he has to be self-aware of his intellectual shortcomings, and that the whole "rockist" stance is a form of compensation.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"he has to be self-aware of his intellectual shortcomings,"

Funny, I believe that's what Matos and I said about him a while ago. The man needs to get a grip. And while he's at it, a copy of "On Writing Well" by William Zinsser.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

He's the most depressing "writer" I've ever read. Sylvia Plath would have more fun at a show than him.

And his taste is fucking awful. Is yr band the musical equivalent of a butterfly tattoo? If so, then Mr. Mills loves you!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

a copy of "On
Writing Well" by William Zinsser.

that's a great book, which I lost to one of my goddamn flaky charges during my brief tenure as an editor. I lent it to him just before I said to another eager young wordsmith, "who really cares what you think? I mean, you're not anybody."

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I think f mills actually posts on drone on. if i had realized at the time i might have posted the link there and asked whether he actually wrote this (never read the guy so i don't know).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

See third item. Of all the things in the world to review, that?!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:13 (twenty-three years ago)

(of course what I want to know is (a) how drunk he was and (b) whether it was 3am on a Friday or a Saturday night when he wrote that thing)

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I've just finally heard the Strawbs and I quite like them...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:10 (twenty-three years ago)

god the seattle weekly sucks such shit...and yet i CANT STOP READING IT

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 May 2003 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...

Rod Smith, Rod Smith, Rod Smith. As Matos well knows, whenever my name is spoken or written three times, I appear. I must say that I applaud his comment about the world owing me a drink. Beyond that, I have nothing more to contribute to this thread. Füxa were still an item when I last looked inside an issue of Magnet. And if memory serves, SPIN is sort of a cross between MTV and Maxim, only with more ads. Do they have a swimsuit issue yet?

― Rod Smith, Sunday, 1 June 2003 20:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I think you're thinking of Blender, Rod Smith (Spin is more like MTV2 meets...paper?). And Blender did have a 50 hottest women in rock today, which is rather swimsuit issue for a music mag (I'm just happy Brody Armstrong and Karen O made the list, though sadly Kelly O did not).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Spin had a swimsuit issue in the late eighties

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:29 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah! Jade4u, Debbie Harry and Phranc were in that. I doubt Spin would dream of it now.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:30 (twenty-three years ago)

if they did it would be a straightup swimsuit issue

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

which reminds me, supposedly sia michel is hawt - confirmation?

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

hey rod are you excited about jake plummer throwing the ball to you this year?

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

haha! ohmigod - watch your back, mccaffrey's rehab sposed to be going well!

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:47 (twenty-three years ago)

haha!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 1 June 2003 21:50 (twenty-three years ago)

James, you can see a picture of Sia in the front of Spin letter from the editor. She is indeed hot.

― Carey (Carey), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

...though sadly Kelly O did not...
Maybe cuz shes as buttfugly as a elderly bulldog licking piss off of his scab-encrusted scrotum. < /CALZ MODE="OFF">

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Mention Jake Plummer again and I'm taking this thread downtown to Chinatown, yo.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

uh...Jake Plummer?

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:13 (twenty-three years ago)

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:16 (twenty-three years ago)

FUCK YOU ALL YOU'RE GOING DOWN.

― Ally (mlescaut), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:41 (twenty-three years ago)

i would pay big $$$$ for a swimsuit issue with Kelly O innit

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Sunday, 1 June 2003 23:59 (twenty-three years ago)

James, that picture is so bizarre that I'm actually enjoying it.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:01 (twenty-three years ago)

don't go all callum on us ally

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm enjoying it too. He's pressing down on the football for tension while farting over the goalposts. It's kind of beautiful.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

It's so simple and eloquent. It kind of makes me proud of my one-date relationship with him.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:36 (twenty-three years ago)

you went out on a date with Jake Plummer?!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 2 June 2003 01:55 (twenty-three years ago)

That's totally old news though!

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 2 June 2003 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

not to me!

was he a "snake"?

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 2 June 2003 02:21 (twenty-three years ago)

According to him, yes. I didn't get that far.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 2 June 2003 02:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Rod Smith, Rod Smith, Rod Smith

Summoning the man once again (waves).

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 2 June 2003 11:07 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

in high school i got into the damned because of that sum 41 cover. was it worth it ilm?????

― k t (matchstick), Sunday, 14 May 2006 08:53 (twenty years ago)

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