What's your favourite Creation Records album?

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Aside from the obvious (Loveless), I heart Teenage Fanclub's "Grand Prix". Joint with Boo Radleys "Giant Steps".

Which is your fave?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 8 February 2003 00:51 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Psychocandy
2. Up For A Bit With The Pastels
3. Souvlaki

― dan (dan), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:02 (twenty-three years ago)

wasn't psychocandy on blanco y negro? forgive my (possibly incorrect) pedantry.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned Raggett to thread!!!!

"Loveless" hangs over this thread like a big, black ominous hanging thing. So I'll say "Definitely Maybe".

― Venga, Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Fishcotheque

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― TMFTML (TMFTML), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:07 (twenty-three years ago)

My Bloody Valentine - Isn't Anything
House of Love - S/T (first album)
Primal Scream - Screamadelica
Oasis - (What's the Story) Morning Glory
V/A - Flowers in the Sky
Primal Scream - XTRMNTR

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Perhaps I am undermining the spirit of the question, as this one is not only a licensed album, but a collection of singles/odd tracks to boot, but I'd have to say Kaleidoscope World (The Chills).

While I dig a lot of the bands on Creation, it's more of a singles label to me. Maybe because the various artist comps are so good?

― Jen (nstop), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:15 (twenty-three years ago)

"isn't anything" or adorable's "against perfection"

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

boo radleys 'giant steps', 'house of love', 'off to heaven' by revolving paint dream, ride 'nowhere'

worst album is the one by hollyfaith.

― keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Heavy Stereo!

― G*m, Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I have to choose between Teenage Fanclub "Grand Prix" and Primal Scream "Screamadelica," the Boo Radleys . . . ?

This hurts, but "Screamadelica."

― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Spencer, you are like my long-lost twin.

― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd go with XTRMNTR myself, but didn't it actually come out on Astralwerks? At least it did in the states. I'd probably add another vote for _Loveless_, and toss in one for Ride's _Nowhere._

-Matt, who owns no stripey shirts...

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:07 (twenty-three years ago)

da 2 MBVs r wot matter.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Matt, XTRMNTR was the last Creation release in the UK.

Spencer, you are like my long-lost twin.

that would imply that our choices are influenced by heredity rather than simply and irrefutably CORRECT as we both know they are!

maybe we were separated at birth, or possibly part of a half-asian government breeding program? (actually, I know next to nothing about baseball, so maybe not!)

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I pick XTRMNTR, but I was never the biggest Creation fan, seeing as how they were non-existent here in the U.S.

― Evan (Evan), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:23 (twenty-three years ago)

well you can learn about baseball and then we'll be the pirate twins again.

(get it? pirates? twins? thomas dolby? oh nevermind, I need to go out and drink)

― felicity (felicity), Saturday, 8 February 2003 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks for the factoid, Spencer. Kinda, i dunno, fitting, dontcha think?

-Matt, who continues to dig on "MBV Arkestra"

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:02 (twenty-three years ago)

MBV all the way, with Loveless slightly edging out Isn't Anything. mostly for its better cohesion as a whole. :)

although i do adore the Mary Chain, too. and haven't heard enough Teenage Fanclub. hrrm.

― janni (janni), Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

No one's picking Hippopotamomus or Tender Pervert?

― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll pick Slowdive: Pygmalion

― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 8 February 2003 04:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't Anything

Doing It For The Kids

Going Blank Again

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 8 February 2003 10:09 (twenty-three years ago)

probably some Felt album

― duane, Saturday, 8 February 2003 11:00 (twenty-three years ago)

the world keeps turning.

― kieron, Saturday, 8 February 2003 11:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Felt 'Forever Breathes The Lonely Word'
Boo Radleys 'Everything's Alright Forever'
MBV

― DavidM (DavidM), Saturday, 8 February 2003 11:22 (twenty-three years ago)

all MBV on creation, 'forever breathes', sugar's copper blue and beaster.

A spot for definetely maybe since that was the first thing i bought.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 8 February 2003 11:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Do I have to pick only one? In which case a toss up between "Isn't anything" and "Poem of the river".

If I'm allowed a few extras, then I'll through in the following.

"Forever breathes the lonely word" - Felt
"Songs for the sad eyed girl" - Biff Bang Pow!
"Formanka" - 18 Wheeler (yes I said 18 Wheeler)
"Songs from Northern Britain" - TFC
"Giant steps" - Boo Radleys
"Creation Soup vols 1 to 5" (except maybe 4 which is crap) - Various
"Techno rose of Blighty" - Fluke

― Rob M (Rob M), Saturday, 8 February 2003 12:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"bandwagonesque" and "everything's alright forever"

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 February 2003 13:06 (twenty-three years ago)

and "just for a day"

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 February 2003 13:14 (twenty-three years ago)

"Voyager" or "Isn't Anything". I like most ov thee shoegazer rekkids they put out, but apart from those, MBV and Momus, I can't really think of a lot I like. I think Creation was very very good for a very very short period ov time. I'm sure thee jesus & mary chain weren't creation artistes except for right @ thee very end. Oh, that "House of Love" album wasn't too bad either.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 8 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

This is a horrible thread. Uergh. Any one from;

Giant Steps
Screamadelica
XTRMNTR
L*v*l*ss
Grand Prix

It's like choosing your favourite orgasm. I love them all!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Saturday, 8 February 2003 13:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't Anything
Loveless
Screamadelica
House of Love (first album)

JAMC's first single 'Upside Down' was a Creation release IIRC.

― stevo (stevo), Saturday, 8 February 2003 14:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned Raggett to thread!!!!

Like I need to tell you what my answer is, please. ;-)

Instead, favorite 'Not Remembered Well But Is Quite Good' Creation release: Ruby's Salt Peter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 8 February 2003 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

No one's picking Hippopotamomus or Tender Pervert?

Tender Pervert>'s pretty high up the list, but it will always lose to Loveless. =)

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Saturday, 8 February 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

adorable ~ against perfection
adorable ~ fake

― gareth (gareth), Saturday, 8 February 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Ruby preferred buildings to people.

― naked as sin (naked as sin), Saturday, 8 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

TS: Loveless vs "My Beauty"

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 8 February 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i love fuzzy logic,radiator,out spaced,guerrilla (sfa)
also,loveless,screamadelica,vanishing point and exterminator

― robin (robin), Saturday, 8 February 2003 17:01 (twenty-three years ago)

can't do a one, so i'll do five:

MBV - Loveless
Boo Radleys - Giant Steps
Slowdive - Souvlaki
Saint Etienne - Good Humour
Boo Radleys - Everything's Alright Forever

― rentboy (rentboy), Saturday, 8 February 2003 17:09 (twenty-three years ago)

seconded Ruby 'Salt Peter', even if it's not much more than diluted Margaret Fiedler. still, so much better than Silverfish...
other forgotten Creation gems: Teenage Filmstars 'Star' and 'Rocket Charms'. maybe 'Buy Our Record Support Our Sickness' as well, for sheer audacity. Sand '5 Grains' and 'The Dynamic Curve'. this was also Ed Ball, no?

― summerslastsound, Saturday, 8 February 2003 18:18 (twenty-three years ago)

i always wanted to like teenage filmstars but the albums always seemed rather crap. ed ball was a better producer/engineer.
no votes for swervedriver, this pleases me.
i had forgotten about 'geurilla', that's one of my faves too.
ride's 'today forever' or 'fall' eps might be the best creation releases ever though.

― keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 8 February 2003 18:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah! Good Humour!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 8 February 2003 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Super Furry Animals - Fuzzy Logic; Radiator
Boo Radleys - Everything's Alright Forever; Giant Steps; Wake Up; C'mon Kids
Ride - Nowhere
Primal Scream - Vanishing Point, Exterminator
The House Of Love - The House Of Love
The Band Whose Name Cannot Be Said - The Album That Cannot Be Referred; The Album That Came Before The Album That Cannot Be Referred

Meaning: I love almost everything I own from Creation...

― JP Almeida (JP Almeida), Saturday, 8 February 2003 18:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Were World Of Twist on Creation? If so then not them. They were shite.

― Lynskey (Lynskey), Saturday, 8 February 2003 21:18 (twenty-three years ago)

World Of Twist were on Circa (minus a release or two for Icerink).
And they were far from Shite :-p

― rentboy (rentboy), Saturday, 8 February 2003 21:25 (twenty-three years ago)

The legend - 73 in 83 !

The pastels - Million tears 12"
Momus - tender pervert LP
Felt - ballad of the band 7"/forever breathes the... LP
My bl Valentine - You made me realize 12"
Primal scream - all fall down 7"
Primal scream - Vanishing point (if it was on creation)

― Jens (brighter), Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Ride - "Leave Them All Behind" (this single over anything else they've done)
The Telescopes -The Telescopes
Slowdive - Pygmalion
Jazz Butcher - Illuminate
Primal Scream - Xtrmntr
House Of Love - House Of Love

And that there MBV album...

― Chris Barrus (xibalba), Sunday, 9 February 2003 00:49 (twenty-three years ago)

"Alive In The Living Room", obviously. Everything that came after that was a pale imitation, except for Five Go Down To The Sea....

― Jerry (Jerry), Sunday, 9 February 2003 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)

(I wish I was joking.)

― Jerry (Jerry), Sunday, 9 February 2003 01:46 (twenty-three years ago)

No-one's mentioned The Girl Who Runs The Beat Hotel by Biff Bang Pow! So I suppose I ought to. So much better than Loveless it hurts.

Also, in no particular order: Pass The Paintbrush Honey, Oblivion, Love Is Forever & Songs for the Sad-Eyed Girl (all BBP!), Theme Park (BMX Bandits oh yes!), the first Primal Scream LP (do Elevation count?), Grand Prix (TFC), Forever Breathes..., Poem Of The River & the Crinkly Snake Record (Felt), Another Age by The Jasmine Minks, the Loft compilation, the two Razorcuts LPs... my gosh, wasn't Creation a great label?

It really was.

― harveyw (harveyw), Sunday, 9 February 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yes, and Peter Astor's Submarine & Zoo LPs; the most under-rated records in the entire Creation back catalogue.

― harveyw (harveyw), Sunday, 9 February 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

theme park was genius, allegedly they have a new one out soon?! says so on the pearlfishers website.

― keith (keithmcl), Sunday, 9 February 2003 17:24 (twenty-three years ago)

fwiw, if we're deviating from albums to single tracks (as seems to be the case above) then the Weather Prophets "Like Frankie Lymon" and Weestlake's "Rings On Her Fingers" are two of my most favourite Creation releases...

― rentboy (rentboy), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

erm, make that Westlake - fat fingered that one. :#

― rentboy (rentboy), Sunday, 9 February 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

SWERVEDRIVER - Raise
House of Love - House of Love
Slowdive - Souvlaki

― Clarke B., Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Jasmine Minks - whatever that compilation of singles is called. Some Biff Bang Pow is OK. The Felt stuff is much worse than their Cherry Red work. Ride are tolerable. MBV too.

Everything else is, with hindsight, rubbish. I'd like to fart particularly loudly in the direction of the embarrassing Primal Scream, the jaw-droppingly awful Boo Radleys, the idiotic Super Furry Animals and the monstrous Teenage Fanclub - a band who perfectly represent everything that one must avoid in music at all costs.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:43 (twenty-three years ago)

the jaw-droppingly awful Boo Radleys, the idiotic Super Furry Animals

*sniffles*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 February 2003 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Dr C I love you but you're a miserable bugger.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Sunday, 9 February 2003 21:07 (twenty-three years ago)

the monstrous Teenage Fanclub - a band who perfectly represent everything that one must avoid in music at all costs.

(a chorus ov cheers, dr c!)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Defend them Nick. mwah!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Sunday, 9 February 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

*yawns*

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 10 February 2003 00:35 (twenty-three years ago)

meaning what kilian?

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Good call by Harvey on "The beat hotel"....

More faves, including "The Telescopes", "Inference" by Pacific and "Teenage symphonies to God" by Velvet Crush, a sort of angst ridden suicidal Teenage Fanclub (and therefore so much better).

― Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 10 February 2003 10:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Teenage Fanclub. The best band English alternative pop has spawn after the Smiths.

I thought they were bland and crap too in the beginning. You are still young, Dr.C. I am confident that you will get them too one day...

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Let the snakes crinkle their heads to death

― flowersdie (flowersdie), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

**Teenage Fanclub. The best band English alternative pop has spawn after the Smiths.
I thought they were bland and crap too in the beginning. You are still young, Dr.C. I am confident that you will get them too one day..**

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Primal Scream, Boo Radleys, SFA and Teenage Fanclub; I love all of 'em. Because I think they make tip-toppermost wonderful smacking classic harmonies+guitars+doe-eyes pop music (Teenage Fanclub), great horns+feedback+dubbasslines shoegazer pop (Boo Radleys), bonkers madhead Welsh psyche-pop with everything thrown in (SFA), and weird, pretentious, desperate-to-be-cool-and-quite-often-as-cool-as-they-think-they-are eklectro punk funk dub rock noise wank stuffness (PS). Dr C if I ever meet you I'll buy you a shandy!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Heidi Berry's two albums

also
Back to the Coast - the best of Nikki Sudden ('cos all his real albums are really patchy)
Poem of the River by Felt
Barnoon Hill by Pacific

And all the obvious stuff like MBV, Ride and House of Love is great too.

Anyway I actually went to the Doing It For The Kids gig in 88 so I'm a defnite fan.

― tigerclawskank, Monday, 10 February 2003 11:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Apart from the fact that I'm not interested in comfortable retro rock, the thing about Teenage Fanclub is this - Bandwagonesque is a copy of another band's work with every nuance ripped off. Whether or not you like Big Star, how can anyone have time for a band who have so little self-respect? (This also bothers me about Stereolab btw)

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Now you see I much preer Bandwagonesque to anything Big Star have done (aside from Kangaroo, 13 and Stroke It Noel), and I don't think they actually sound *that* similar (although I've only got #1 Record and Sister Lovers, never heard Radio City). Bark Psychosis are totally in debt to Talk Talk, but I still love 'em, derivativeness (sic) doesn't bother me when the music that results from it pleases me (/is good). And at least Teenage Fanclub acknowledge the influence Big Star have on them, it's not like they ever hid it. I'm not really interested in comfortable retro rock either, but TF have just got such lovely melodies and harmonies and tunes that I can't deny them. Grand Prix is one of my favourite records ever.

Lager or beer shandy?

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:55 (twenty-three years ago)

not 100% sure if tfc sound like big star but in any case big star sound extremely dated nowadays whereas tfc (bandwagonesque and grand prix at least) still sound great. their melodies are much stronger than big star's. tfc have this warm scottish sound i love sooo much....

― alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 10 February 2003 12:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Nick, you're missing so much not knowing "Radio City", the TFC/Big star comparison will make more sense if you hear it probably. As to the comparison itself, the Fannies transcended their debt to Chilton and co once they'd made "Grand Prix" and found their own particular niche. Before that they were most in debt (the first time I heard "December" I laughed out loud at it), but they've turned into themselves more now. Still in debt to the big three Bs (Beatles, Byrds, Beach Boys) but what the heck - lay back and enjoy it. And don't get so uptight about it all.

― Rob M (Rob M), Monday, 10 February 2003 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

um, most of the obvious ones have already been mentioned (telescopes, (early) doo badleys, house of love, slowdive, swervedrivers etc). i'd like to add:

Revolving Paint Dream - Mother Watch Me Burn (CRE-LP/CD 039) Jan 89

discovered whilst sleeping over in a friend's room and picking one of her tapes at random for something to listen to. only the tape had no track listing and it took a good 6 months to find out what it was.

andy

― koogs, Monday, 10 February 2003 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

I need a copy of sunburst by Tangerine and can't find it anywhere. But then again if I did get it, it'd be no where nearly as good as I remember it being from the one time I saw it on Snub TV.

― chris (chris), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I suppose I CAN see how people either *don't object* to TFC or *kind of like them* in a toe-tappingly familiar kind of way. I mean there's nothing surprising, jarring or challenging to worry about - just *nice* tunes with *the right* harmonies and *well-crafted* arrangements, all wrapped up in nice chumminess. No surprises from one album to the next, so it's a safe purchase - a bit of country and western here, a touch of power-pop there. I mean why don't people want fucking MORE than this - pop can be, SHOULD BE hilarious, frightening, awesome, breathtaking!!

At least the poor old Boo Radleys had a cack-handed shot at trying to be interesting with 'Giant Steps'. Their problem was actually being able to DO anything with what they heard - GS is just a third division indie album with some self-conscious noisy bits tacked on(weird, man, sort of like Revolution No.9!) and some club footed efforts at dub. There's nothing good to say about Wake Up Boo though. A sobering experience.

Super Furry Animals - they *should* be good, (Hometown Unicorn almost really WAS!) only we realized a long, long time ago that it could never happen. It was all lies. All we have to choose from is a pub-rock version of Roxy Music or a pub-rock version of Roxy Music who sing in Welsh. (Let's try and pretend that the keyboard player's little indulgences don't exist). I was unlucky enough to catch them at the Finsbury Park New Order gig last summer and it was like listening to Sergeant Pepper at 16 rpm.

Primal Scweam - how can ANYONE like them? Isn't Gillespie's gurning idiocy just too much? EVERYTHING about this lot is tragic - from the album and song titles onward. You couldn't parody them better than they parody themselves. Fools.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never disagreed with DrC more! Giant steps is one of my most favourite albums of all time, a great swirling mess of an album (in a good way)

I'm glad you redeemed yourself with the primal scream comments though, they really desrve every brick thrown at them.

― chris (chris), Monday, 10 February 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

keith, did you just call Teenage Filmstars kinda crap? get ready to FITE! they are not any kinda crap. what "Star" and "Rocket Charms" are is spot-on pastiche - each and every dreampop cliché present, accounted for, and ingeniously tweaked. and both discs are rife with killer tunes. i'd cite specifics, but (IIRC) the track titles appear to be in Punjabi or Arabic or a mockery of either. i wager that those two discs are worth more than the sum of all shoo coulda-beens flogged by Cherry Red, Sarah, La Di Da, Chapter22, Rough Trade (etc, etc). and i like Drop, Earwig, Sweet Jesus, Charlottes, ... but none can touch the cheeky genius of the Teenies.

― summerslastsound (summerslastsound), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I will back up dr c, and stand up as a teen-age fan-club h4h4 as well. when I worked for thee p.a. company, we used to put in a system @ this indie disko @ newcastle university. this ws before bandwagonesque came out. They used to play all of TFC's bloody awful rekkids, and I remember continually thinking "which dinosaur jr rekkid is this?" It was terrible, and it actually put me off dino jr quite a bit. Then i remember thee DJ playing Nirvana's "Lithium", hearing it for thee 1st time, and it was like a fresh cool wind blowing all the bad TFC smell away. At last!! a band who actually, like, rock!! When I heard bandwagonesque I must admit that I could *not* understand what the fuss was about. It was just so....bland!! I also agree w/dr c'z comments re boo radleys, tho' i did quite like that who knock-off 7" they did. Likewise super furry animals. in both cases they didn't seem to have enough ability/knowledge/skillz or whatever to do what they wanted, which is really fukcing sad. Really, creation is just about the shoegazers & momus for me. How & why they got into thee old retro thing is quite beyond me, like why the fukc did ride go all retro on their 3rd album? Or why, when they signed Bernard Butler, who, like, wrote "yes" did they go all "bernard is going to be our neil young, our paul weller". WTF? I just don't get it.

(a model of clarity & Xpressive writ0r1ng, that, wasn't it? blimey.....)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 10 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

two years pass...

Then i remember thee DJ playing Nirvana's "Lithium", hearing it for thee 1st time, and it was like a fresh cool wind blowing all the bad TFC smell away. At last!! a band who actually, like, rock!!

Erm, uh...what?

― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 5 August 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

hey i like TFC, but did they ever make a song as heavy as that hidden feedback noise-jam at the end of Nevermind?

― latebloomer: i hate myself and want to fly (latebloomer), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

i was challenged to a fight. teenage filmstars still suck. i thought oooo they play backwards but maybe that's so people will think it only sounds this bad because it is played backwards?

― keith m (keithmcl), Friday, 5 August 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

suspect i'm not going to make it all the way through the heavy stereo album tonight.
random pick from the archive.
not that good really.
oh, the follies of youth. i recall liking this at some point.
ok, got to track 5, and thats it calling it quits and sh*ts.

― mark e, Monday, 27 August 2012 21:45 (thirteen years ago)

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