Shania, Mark III

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Just saw the video for "Up."
First, they've cast Shania as the 'next Reba McIntire.'
Then as the 'next Celine Dion'
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If this video is any clue, they're trying to cast her now as 'the Next P!nk.'

Whats up with that?

Oh and she does flash her(?) scruffy AC/DC T-shirt (which does well with her spiky hairdu and 3x too huge paratrooper fatigues.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

i just love the way she says 'Ker-ching!'

she's looking faker by the day though

stevem (blueski), Friday, 7 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Subthread: "Up" being a 2-cd set with two different mixes of the same set of songs...Callow and cynical marketing ploy or Ingenious and innovative showcase of (Mutt Lange's) versatility.
I'm leaning towards genius. I think it would be interesting (if the track times are the same on both 'versions') to play both disks simultaneously, Zaireeka-style...C&W version in one ear and "pop" version in the uttha!

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

You missed the brilliant thread on that, Custos. Sean Carruthers proved himself a genius remixer.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I've taken the tracks down off my server for space reasons, but I could be convinced to post em back up again, if anyone cares.

For my next trick, I'm going to mash up Eddy Grant and Michael Jackson.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:44 (twenty-three years ago)

LC she is fully three-quarters as genius as the Flaming Lips because she has THREE CD mixes - the 'blue' or 'International' one has her wearing a SARI on the front and has loads of off-the-shelf Asian samples, it is brilliant.

(Really she is better than the Flaming Lips, of course.)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Not sure about that 'of course' bit, m'friend. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 March 2003 16:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh good, now maybe a question I have can be answered: In the video you saw, did she pull out a Canadian flag and post it to the wall along with a Montreal Canadiens jersey? I've only seen the video on Musique Plus (and they play it a lot), but I'm wondering if she's trying to do an "all things for all people" thing with the video and placing different cultural signifiers in different videos depending on where they air in the world, you know, to go along with the multi-disc set. I'm kinda cynical that way (love the song/video, though).

Vic Funk, Friday, 7 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, thats the one. Dig her obscenely silly hair...and pants. They don't fit her, physically or ontologically.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

You missed the brilliant thread on that, Custos. Sean Carruthers proved himself a genius remixer.
Wellll...somebody should post a link or at least tell me the name of the thread, and I can get back up to speed.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Why shouldn't she have an AC/DC top, they bought her house

dave q, Friday, 7 March 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

She wasn't wearing it. She just flashed it, as if to say "Look at me, I'm hip! I have a "cononically correct" band-shirt!"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh god, NOT AGAIN!!! *flees*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

The blue cd will I think be enormously important in the history of hip-hop to come.

Cf. roughly four tracks from Lil' Kim's Bella Mafia.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:28 (twenty-three years ago)

? You have now truly hurt my head, Sterling.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

When she does the "green" CD where she duets with the Corrs and Enya, then I'll be interested.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 18:29 (twenty-three years ago)

It's the 'For Those About 2 Rock' cover, so OF COURSE it's "cannonically" correct! Wake UP people!

dave q, Friday, 7 March 2003 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Wake UP people!

Is this the best pun in history?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 7 March 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

ka-CHING!!!

dave q, Friday, 7 March 2003 21:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Original thread here, and the remixes are uploading again. (GIve them a bit of time to get fully uploaded before you start dl'ing please). They'll be up there only for a limited time.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 7 March 2003 22:05 (twenty-three years ago)

There's a deep crimson version of the CD where Redd Kross got to remix all the songs. It is awesome

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 7 March 2003 22:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Err...
Here's a chunk of something I wrote that I meant to post on the fanatics vs dilettantes thread. But I wrote it last night, and I don't have web access at home, and now I've stopped by in an internet cafe and there's 100+ replies on that thread and I don't have time to read any of it and don't know how my post would fit with all the new stuff and most of what I wrote is about Shania anyway so... I'll put it here. And please excuse the fact that some parts would belong more on that thread than here. Oh, and excuse the lengthiness of the rant too.

Mind Taker, Friday, 7 March 2003 22:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree that singular focus & blind devotion to the mechanics and principle pleasures of one and only one genre have produced some of the greatest music ever, and that straying away from that modus operandi can sometimes be an unpleasant thing. The international version of Shania Twain’s last album is a good case in point: majority of it is a half-hearted stab at arabic/balkanic continuum of pop, which by ignoring the mechanics of it turns most of the disc into a nondescript, sludgy mess of casio-cheap Timbaland-aping riddims (aiming for hiccupy, coming out all burpy) and tacky identikit eastern orchestration.

On the other hand, the few redeeming parts of the disc remind me of what Tom once wrote – when, opposing the notion of “watered-down music”, he proposed a critical model of thinking of it as a cocktail, rich with flavours and refreshing. The blue mix of “Juanita” is one of the only things on there that I can genuinely imagine inducing sevdah (Bosnian term for getting into state of euphoria through music, espesh balkan folk-pop) in people who listen to “the real deal” type of this stuff, and start dancing on tables and breaking glasses. It’s great because, while it plays to the strenghts of arabic pop it leeches off, it also plays to Shania&Lange’s strenghts, delivering a tour-de-force bubblegum blast and letting the song have some breathing space (a la all those sudden halts before gigantic anthemic choruses she usually excels at). The blue version of “When You Kiss Me” is dilettantist tourism at its most glorious, a pick’n’mix cocktail of cliches of global pop culture that, instead of neutering all of its components, turns them to a peak into a wonderful world that doesn’t really exist but some of us hope and feel it DOES, marrying the mythical-marketing vision of Ireland (you know, shamrocks’n’fiddles’n’violins’n’great green pastures with dancin’ leprechauns & stuff) with frivolous tabla action and awesome hooks and a gorgeous melancholic undercurrent.

The point, I guess, would be that “dilettantism”, when pulled off well, can be just as great and exciting as “fanaticism”. And, vice versa, bad fanaticism can – to take garage as example - turn into a nondescript, sludgy mess of playstation-cheap Swizz Beatz-aping riddims and inane doomy basslines. (By the way, am I the only one here who’s IMMENSELY annoyed by Wiley’s productions, especially those basslines? They’re blaring AND twee at the same time - what a horrid combination!)

Mind Taker, Friday, 7 March 2003 22:48 (twenty-three years ago)

(aiming for hiccupy, coming out all burpy)
Okay...hell with "Don't like it, not rhytmic enough"...the above is now my new motto.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 7 March 2003 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

The files are back up. Gopher it.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 7 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Crikey, good post MT! I want to hear the track you mention.

Oh oh does anyone else think the Sean Kota track on Gabba/net is a US engagement with gutter-garridge (blimey that was quick - which sort of proves my point about the eradication of lag - it's great anyway)

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 8 March 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks Tom.

Haven't heard that gabba.net track yet, but I'll just add one last thing about Shania. For more than ten years, people have been bitching about the perils of the CD format: how it destroys the sacredness of the album experience of yore, how albums are reduced to handfuls of tracks at the disposal of remote control buttons etc etc... But barely anyone has admitted that CDs won't go away, and tried to actually engage and play with its format (at least not beyond all those shitty multimedia bonuses).

"Up!" is just that - it quite literally invites listeners to make their own comps of favourite versions (Shania herself admits in the liner notes that she likes to mix it up by putting it all on random play), and since 90% of the tracks on the discs have the exact song structures, anyone with the minimum of .wav editing knowledge can mesh tracks together into something new, which can sound bad, but at times also fantastic (when done well, red+blue mixes of "C'est La Vie", "Forever And For Always", "What A Way To Wanna Be" are fabulous! I wish I had some place to put them up so you could all hear...) In such light, maybe it's no coincidence that the disks have no copy/computer protection, like most of the blockbuster releases of her calibre do?

It's such a pity that more people aren't exploring the myriad of fun possibilities that format/media of CD could offer instead of just moaning. Well, I'll just have to wait and see what Shania comes up with next!

P.S. It's a pity that most of you people aren't in touch with balkan pop, I'd like to read about it more from western perspective (I'm from Croatia, btw). Try downloading off Kazaa or whatever Vuco's "Pijanica" or "Napijte me napijte", you might like it!

Mind Taker, Saturday, 8 March 2003 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I know little of Balkan pop but for some bizarre reason I've heard alot of Croatian hardcore

dave q, Sunday, 9 March 2003 12:17 (twenty-three years ago)

There is a Green disc. It is the country one.

I like Sean's mash-ups.

The woman is in her 30s. She's probably seen plenty of AC/DC shows.

felicity (felicity), Sunday, 9 March 2003 14:59 (twenty-three years ago)


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