Are Your Favourite Albums By [Bands/artists X] Never The "Right" Ones?

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Of all the bands/artists/performers/whatever that I especially return to over and over (I guess I mean love, awww), the records I truly honestly insanely love most are pretty much always the non-canonical ones. Not only that, but they fly in the face of much ILM orthodoxy/consensus too (f'rinstance, say the Canon anoints The Joshua Tree in golden rivers of honey and ILM cries "War!" in defiance, I have to be honest and stand resolutely behind Achtung Baby). I think I'm alone in my falling between the cracks. Neither cool nor quirky, I might well be doomed.

Here are a couple examples:

Portishead (instead of Dummy, I love their s/t one -- or, for that matter, even my thinking that Portishead just edges Massive Attack probably qualifies)
Joy Division (I prefer Unknown Pleasures to Closer but some of their stuff as Warsaw was even better)
Patti Smith (Horses destroys all others)
Cocteau Twins (Head Over Heels über alles -- and yes, above Victorialand and especially Heaven or Las Vegas)
New Order (Movement first and foremost. Then Power, Corruption, and Lies, then Low Life)
Nirvana (In Utero)
R.E.M. (New Adventures in Hi-Fi)
Pixies (Doolittle just edges Surfer Rosa)

I could go on and on, but I'll leave it at that with this fairly arbitrary 80s/early 90s post-punk stuff. My point being that, even within so-called mainstream parameters, my taste is skewed, or left field, when compared with almost everyone else on the planet. I swear if someone yelled "Anarchy" I'd kneejerk "Bodies" or something. Should I, then -- after daring to venture out, only to wander into the wrong room... again -- return dejectedly to my darkened basement for good, or are there any fellow sufferers here?

(Oh, I'm new here, if that really needs to be said after the previous drivel. I've lurked, obviously, otherwise how would I have gleaned any kind of ILM anti-canon? Altho' I could've imagined it...)


David Antrobus (Davant), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I frequently like the "unpopular" album. Isn't Anything over Loveless, Playing With Fire over Perfect Prescription, White Light/White Heat over the Banana Album... I'm just contrary, you know?

kate (suzy), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Horses *IS* Patti's canon record. For Cocteau Twins I say Garlands. And the only thing I can muster at this late hour is that I really like a Link Wray record from his 70s, heavy vocal period - the one with the cut out of his profile on the cover.

And the oft-discussed Southpaw Grammar, of course, applies.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with your Patti Smith, Joy Division and Pixies biases
and then again, what does it matter
like what you like
I still have every Urge Overkill album

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:22 (twenty-three years ago)

How about Trompe le Momde for Pixies? Now, THAT'S contrary

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)

My favorite album by 999 has always been Concrete, otherwise roundly derided as their worst.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:23 (twenty-three years ago)

count me in as one of those Pixies fans who likes Trompe le Monde the best (actually, i like Doolittle the best, but TLM is a very close second).

favorite Led Zeppelin is in through the out door (i even started a thread about it). and i get funny looks from other Zappa fans when i tell them (in all seriousness) that Sheikh Yerbouti is one of my favorites, almost as good as We're Only in It for the Money or Uncle Meat.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)

and then again, what does it matter
like what you like

Yeah, I know, but it's been interesting lurking here nonetheless, and gauging where I might "fit" were I to raise my head above the battlements, etc. -- especially considering recent discussions about elitism and island-dwelling ILM cliques (this ain't not troll, by the way).

roger: Is Horses really her canon record? I didn't know that, but I do know that album damn near saved my life when I was 14 years old.

And Bruce: Urge Overkill? I still have a few Eyeless In Gaza... and what's more, I still listen to it...

David A. (Davant), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)

OK I really like Trompe Le Monde but not as much as Doolittle
my fave Led Zep reckerd is III
Led Zep had this whole Roman fetish

Bruce Urquhart (Bruce Urquhart), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:35 (twenty-three years ago)

terror twilight by pavement
the great escape by blur

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Protection really is the best Massive Attack album, um okay? Anyone who lists Blue Lines is just buying the crit-history "legacy" line (the non-singles are dated and kinda dull), and anyone who gloats over Mezzanine is a stuck-in-the-90s poseury failed hipster, and fuck yes I'm using it as a pejorative, um ok?.

Vic, Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Amnesiac is Radiohead's best album.

Melissa W (Melissa W), Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Actually, I agree with Mel.

kate (suzy), Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:45 (twenty-three years ago)

'Exit the Dragon', fuck yeah.

dave q, Saturday, 8 March 2003 12:02 (twenty-three years ago)

I think of Mezzanine as being Massive Attacks greatest work evah,
and i kinda like Sonic Youths more avant-garde/John-cage sound although it considers as some of their worst work ever hehe.

rex jr., Saturday, 8 March 2003 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Bossanova is the best Pixies album. Even Frank Black agrees.

William R Henderson (Cabin Essence), Saturday, 8 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Sgt Pepper is my favorite (or second-favorite, maybe) Beatles album: this is, strangely enough, no longer the "right" choice.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 8 March 2003 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Clinic, Walking With Thee, as opposed to Internal Wrangler, which is chock-full of great songs and ends with possibly their most beautiful track ever but is also weighed down with stray filler and isn't start-to-finish perfect like WWT is.

Elastica, The Menace, as opposed to Elastica, which is great pop-punk but isn't as riveting as Menace's eclecticism.

Beck, Mellow Gold, as opposed to Odelay by a very slight margin, because Odelay does not have anything that sounds as completely fucking hell-bound gangsta as "Soul Suckin' Jerk".

The Replacements, Sorry Ma..., as opposed to everything else they did between 1980 and 1985, for one reason and one reason only: "Johnny's Gonna Die", the song that proved that punk rock and guitar solos should not be mutually exclusive and had one of Westerberg's greatest vocal moments ("JOHNYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!.... bye-bye... bye-bye... bye-bye...")

Fatboy Slim, Better Living Through Chemistry, as opposed to You've Come a Long Way, Baby mostly because I heard and fell for it first, but also because "Santa Cruz" is the offspring of Fu Manchu and Jean-Jacques Perrey the world didn't know it needed.

Jay-Z, Reasonable Doubt, as opposed to The Blueprint, mostly because almost everything about "Girls, Girls, Girls" makes me want to hit somebody and almost everything about "Regrets" makes me want to start falling to the floor and salaaming.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, 8 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Elder" is my favourite Kiss album. That one is hated by all Kiss fans.

"Their Satanic Majesties' Request" is my favourite Rolling Stones album

"Protection" is my favourite Massive Attack album.

"Bluejeans And Moonbeams" is, well, I am not saying it is a good album, but it is the only decent thing Don Van Vliet did ever do. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

I actually like Midnite Vultures far better than any other beck album; I know I'm alone there!

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

and i get funny looks from other Zappa fans when i tell them (in all seriousness) that Sheikh Yerbouti is one of my favorites, almost as good as We're Only in It for the Money or Uncle Meat.

"Bobby Brown" topped the Norwegian singles hitlist for several weeks in 1979. I think it was the only place where it was a hit at all. :-)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yep. I'm all over this thread, mostly 'cause i'm a born contrarian.

REM - _Fables of the Reconstruction_. Certainly the most Southern-sounding of their albums, and completely my favorite (though i can't listen to "Can't Get There From Here" anymore).

Radiohead - _Amnesiac_ just beats out _Kid A_, but those are far far ahead of the rest of their catalog by such a distance as to be laughable.

Beatles - _Revolver_. To blazes with _Pepper's_, though as Justyn points out above, i might have the right answer after all.

Pink Floyd - _Saucerful of Secrets_ (or _More_, it changes from time to time). It's not that i dislike arena rock or anything.

Kate Bush - _Hounds of Love_ might be held in higher esteem due to circumstances of sentiment, but _The Dreaming_ is a better album.

Galaxie 500 - _This is Our Music_ is better than _On Fire_. Discuss.

Pr*m*l Scr**m - _XTRMNTR_ stomps all the hell over _Screamedelica_. Well, the four really good tracks do, anyways.

Spiritualized - _Laser Guided Melodies_ is far more sublimely beautiful than anything else that Mr. Pierce has been arsed to do since then.

And _Isn't Anything_ pisses all over _Loveless_

*Ducks the bricks being hurled by Ned even at this very moment, before he's read this thread. Somehow he just KNOWS.*

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Saturday, 8 March 2003 16:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Midnite Vultures used to be my fave Beck album, and if it still is, it's by default.

I like Cosmic Thing more than any other B-52's album.

Trompe Le Monde may be my fave Pixies album, but I like 'em all so much that it's by a small matter of degrees.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Bowie's Outside and Black Tie White Noise the best.


The next question is should you avoid the canon album and go for the lesser rated one first?

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:29 (twenty-three years ago)

For me, the Beatles rule this thread: A Hard Day's Night / With the Beatles / Beatles For Sale / Help! over Revolver / the white album / Abbey Road / Sgt Pepper -- not even close.

Burr, Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:30 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Boys for Pele much, much more than Little Earthquakes, which I never really could connect to on an emotional level. Don't really care for Under the Pink either.

Vic (Vic), Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll definitely put my vote with the "Beatles got gradually worse after Rubber Soul" team.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes! Black Tie White Noise is my favorite Bowie album too.

I often have this issue, in fact to list all the cases in which my choice of best record runs against the canonical answer wd be to bore the bejesus out of everyone needlessly. My theory is that I'm being honest and upfront about what I like and don't like and that everyone else is being a poseur sheep. Always.

Millar (Millar), Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)

A few more:

U2: "All That You Can't Leave Behinds" remains my definite fave album by them

R.E.M.: "Reveal" was better than anything before it.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 8 March 2003 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

i second fables of the reconstruction, mellow gold and zep III.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Saturday, 8 March 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

The Elder is my favourite Kiss album. That one is hated by all Kiss fans

...not to mention both producer Bob Ezrin and the band themselves. That is a bold choice, Geir, and I salute you for it!

Their Satanic Majesties' Request is my favourite Rolling Stones album

I'd day "mine too," if not for Let it Bleed, although I'm also wildly partial to the otherwise unjustly maligned Emotional Rescue.

"Protection" is my favourite Massive Attack album.

I love them all, but I certainly play Protection more often that Mezzanine.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 March 2003 22:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll definitely put my vote with the "Beatles got gradually worse after Rubber Soul" team.

Rubber Soul was their peak, definitley, but Sgt.Pepper's... and Revolver are still better than, say, A Hard Day's Night or Please Please Me (not Beatles For Sale, though, which is very underrated)

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 8 March 2003 23:37 (twenty-three years ago)

REM - Fables of the Reconstruction. Another vote for it.

Radiohead - Still prefer Kid A over Amnesiac, but I prefer them way over any of their other albums.

U2 - October Sometimes rushing things is better. I waver between this and Zooropa on occasion, but "Gloria" is easily my fave song.

Spiritualized - Lazer Guided Melodies The greatest album of the 1990s. Pierce hasn't gotten nearly close since then.

Velvet Underground - White Light/White Heat I guess I should post that "VU personality test" again.

Roxy Music - Country Life I'm not an Eno worshipper.

Pink Floyd - More Again, sometimes rushing things is OK.

The Who - My Generation The first and still the best

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Saturday, 8 March 2003 23:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Nein, DanielRf! Nein!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 9 March 2003 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Hmm...

I like just about any other Divine Comedy album better than Cassanova. Blue Lines is easily my least favorite Massive Attack album (with Protection narrowly beating out Mezzanine for the top spot -- I'm in no rush to hear 100th Window or whatever the new one is called). I think early Aztec Camera hasn't held up well at all, but I like some of the later stuff, especially Dreamland. Avalon (yes, Avalon) is my favorite Roxy Music album. I like Wire's The A List compilation even more than On Returning. And instead of SFA's Radiator, I prefer both RATW and Mwng (oddly, one of those is an abbreviation, the other a Welsh word).

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 9 March 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

fave Stones records are aftermath and exile on main street. latter is, of course, the conventional choice. former is also well-regarded and, admittedly, flawed but also underrated and pretty singular in the stones' catalogue (i.e., it sounds more like a Kinks record than a prototypical Stones record).

i like satanic majesties' request a lot, too, but that would be too much a Scooby Doo pick (or would that be goat head's soup?)

Tad (llamasfur), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Just thought of one more... My favourite Bruce Springsteen album (or at least very close to it) is "The Wild, The Innocent & The E-Street Shuffle". His most stylistically varied album, in a very positive way.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

"Nation" still comes top but I think I might prefer "Bum Rush" to "Fear" from the PE catalogue.

"Mellow Gold" for Beck.

Nick H, Sunday, 9 March 2003 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

After donut bitch remarked on the "WEIRD ME!" thread that "I know several people who only enjoy Can from "Soon After Babaluma" and on, without all those annoying weird vocals", I figured that this band (who I admit to having severely limited experience with) should probably pique my interest somehow. So I DLed both Tago Mago (beloved by all, ***** in AMG, iconic masterpiece of avant-psych) and Can (disliked by most, *1/2 in AMG, their last gasp at the end of the '70s).

Fuckin' A, I liked the '79 album more.

It might be some subjective aversion to aforementioned avant-psych (damn my impatience -- "you mean there's TWO 17-minute plus songs on this monstrosity?") or a tendency to gravitate towards post-punk robofunk proto-Liquid Liquid groove merchandise. I haven't decided yet. All I know is that it's probably the best album to involve at least two ex-members of Traffic and it's probably my favorite unloved album of the month (though the also just-downloaded Trans came pretty close to taking that honor). Sadly, I had to delete the folder when I found that all the MP3s had sound glitches, but I'll try to download it again -- or hell, maybe just BUY the damn thing. Then I can go around saying "I paid $18 for Can '79" and REALLY alienate people.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 16 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Pavement - Brighten the Corners > Crooked Rain > Terror Twilight > Wowee Zowee > Slanted

Beach Boys - Smiley Smile > Surf's Up > Love You > Today > Sunflower > Pet Sounds

Beastie Boys - Ill Communication > Hello Nasty > Paul's Boutique > Check Your Head > Licensed to Ill

Smashing Pumpkins - Gish > Mellon Collie > Adore > Siamese Dream

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 17 March 2003 02:19 (twenty-three years ago)

S'Pumpkins - Adore, infinitely prefer it to the two-headed Collie
B'Sabbath - Sabotage above all the rest
B'tles - yeh, 'fcourse Rubber Soul's the finest (and White Album mo' fun than Revolver)
M'donna - Erotica to me sounds the least boring
Television - heh, many of Tom Verlain's solo rekkids i find rather more colourful than most of the stuff by his old band

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 17 March 2003 02:46 (twenty-three years ago)

DE LA SOUL: "Buhloone Mind State" over "3 Feet High & Rising"
PAVEMENT: "Brighten the Corners" over "Slanted and Enchanted"
SUPERCHUNK: "Here's Where the Strings Come in" over "No Pocky For Kitty"

NIN: "Pretty Hate Machine" over "The Downward Spiral"

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 17 March 2003 05:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I couldn't agree more on J-rock's Pavement choice. Apart from a handful of decent tracks, Slanted and Enchanted is piss-poor. And Brighten the Corners has absolutely no low points...NONE! Not even "Date w/ Ikea."

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 17 March 2003 06:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Brighten the Corners is my favorite too.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 17 March 2003 06:09 (twenty-three years ago)

i think i've got an even more unpopular Pavement choice: Terror Twilight. Feel free to fling faeces at me

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 17 March 2003 06:32 (twenty-three years ago)

*flings*

paul cox (paul cox), Monday, 17 March 2003 06:38 (twenty-three years ago)

*thwock* ow! and ewww

i agree with kate about her three 'unpopular' choices at the top of the thread

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Monday, 17 March 2003 06:40 (twenty-three years ago)

my fave Beach Boys album is "Friends"

JasonD (JasonD), Monday, 17 March 2003 06:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Brighten the Corners is the only one I don't have...not that I listen to the rest much, if at all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 March 2003 07:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Jim, As unpopular as it may be, I also think "Terror Twilight" is a good album. The "Slanted and Enchanted" purists get upset whenever I say it but screw 'em!

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Sonic Youths more avant-garde/John-cage sound although it considers as some of their worst work ever hehe
some dare to claim, i think NYC Gohsts & Flowers is great.

rex jr., Monday, 17 March 2003 08:19 (twenty-three years ago)

i love all latter day SY

i also agree with Superchunk's Here's Where The Strings Come In - that's by far my favorite by them

Something Else my favorite Kinks album

And, oh, yeah - I like Goats Head Soup but I'd be lying if I said it was my favorite Stones record.

speaking of the Stones....does anyone like DIRTY WORK?? I mean..at ALL? How about Steel Wheels?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:30 (twenty-three years ago)

oh yeah, and the only Joe Pass album I like is the one with the choir- Guitar Interludes. I didn't think it was so unpopular but AMG gave it one star. I really like that record very much.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 17 March 2003 08:40 (twenty-three years ago)

and i Adore bowies Earthling.

rex jr., Monday, 17 March 2003 08:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Not actually my favorite, but Gong's Shamal is right up there with You in my book. It's the first post-Daevid Allen LP, which may be why it gets little respect, but I think it's great because it gives Didier more room to shine.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Ministry's best album is _Twitch_.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:22 (twenty-three years ago)

agreed! (stirmonster to thread!)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

On every other day, I would vote for Around the World in a Day as my favorite Prince album, even though I know 1999 is better and Sign 'O' the Times is cooler.

Punch the Clock has become my favorite Elvis Costello record;
Music of My Mind is my fave Stevie Wonder album;
Autoamerican is the best Blondie LP;
I'd vote for Sandinista! over any other record by the Clash;
I think James Brown's Live at the Apollo Vol. 2 is better than Vol. 1;
and I favor C'mon Kids over any other Boo Radleys work.

I love this thread.

Neudonym, Monday, 17 March 2003 21:38 (twenty-three years ago)

(B-b-but _Emancipation_ is Prince's best album.)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 March 2003 21:40 (twenty-three years ago)

oh hell no...too many dreary slow ones on disc 2, and the baby's heartbeat stuff just makes me too sad for him.

Neudonym, Monday, 17 March 2003 21:42 (twenty-three years ago)

oh shiiiit i forgot - does anyone else like the Pogues album without Shane, Waiting for Herb? I don't like it as much as the Shane-fronted Pogues, so I guess it doesn't count, but I have some good memories attached to that record and still like it a lot.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:40 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread frequently makes me want to tell people they're on the pipe, and thEn I remember that on-the-pipe opinions is what this thread is all about. That said, you Brighten The Cornerw wackos should be forced to hear "We Are Underused" on repeat for a solid hour.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Music of My Mind is my fave Stevie Wonder album

Not neccessarily an unusual choice if you want to be extremely purist. After all, this was the album where he "invented" his style so to say.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 18 March 2003 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)


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