Search and Destroy: Where Are They Now?

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Best and worst careers for failed rock stars/musicians? Who became politicians, novelists, college professors and UN Representatives? Who became taxi drivers, used car salesmen and data punch card operators?

Is it better when they stay near their chosen field - i.e. start record labels or music journalists? Is it better when they get further away and become experts on trout fishing and prehistoric monuments?

(Yes, I am fishing for ideas about what to do with the rest of my life, but give me some cautionary tales from the superstars...)

kate (suzy), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Kevin Shields drove a taxicab (or someone in MBV did, at any rate). Santiago Durango, one of the Runaways, and our very own Colin Meeder went to law school and became lawyers.

what ever happened to Andrew Ridgley?

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Sonny Bono of course became a Congressman. And uh Vaclav Havel once wrote lyrics for the Plastic People of the Universe.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:49 (twenty-three years ago)

what ever happened to Andrew Ridgley?

Dunno, but we all know George became a bathroom attendant.

(Sorry, cheap shot.)

Seriously, it would make sense that failed musicians stay in the industry, but reinventing oneself is more courageous, more scary, and more fun. Can't think of any cautionary or inspiring tales off the top of my head, though...

David A. (Davant), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Bill Bery of REM's a farmer, as is Roger Taylor of Duran Duran. John Maher of the Buzzcocks races and restores vintage cars. The Bass Thing of the Wonder Stuff took a job at Tower Records before passing away. Jack Natz of Cop Shoot Cop became a bike messenger. Handsome Dick Manitoba of the Dictators became a bartender before reviving the band. Dee Snider became a radio personality.Cy Curnin of the Fixx became a hat designer for a while, before reviving the band.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 March 2003 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Handsome Dick owns a bar on the LES nowadays, doesn't he Alex?

i just remembered hearing a rumor about the lead singer of the Dead Milkmen -- that he ended up becoming the store manager of a Boston Market in one of the suburbs of Philadelphia. dunno if that's true (and i'm not going to do the research to verify it, either). it would be funny if it is true, though.

Tad (llamasfur), Saturday, 8 March 2003 10:00 (twenty-three years ago)

His own, yeah, but he used to bartend at 2A before he got his own bar.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard Tesco Vee of the Meatmen is a green grocer.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 8 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)

It was Deb Goodge that drove a taxi, not Kevin. Debbie Smith works at Music and Video Exchange in Notting Hell. Lots of failed indie rockers seem to go and work in bookshops or record shops - Jo Huggy Bear, her out of Kenickie, etc. I don't know if that's sad or admirable.

Mo Tucker became a data entry operator, so I feel like I'm in some kind of good company.

kate (suzy), Saturday, 8 March 2003 10:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I believe Andrew Ridgely became a surf scientist, or something equally weird like that.

Two of the girls from Angelica work as bar staff at a pub in central Lancaster.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Did Angelica really break up?

kate (suzy), Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I think they're on a break somehow.

Graham (graham), Saturday, 8 March 2003 11:57 (twenty-three years ago)

They had a feature on Men at Work a few years back. All I remember is that the drummer was a Physics teacher and one of the other band members was a new agey fitness instructor. Colin Hay, of course, is still in music.

Original Steely Dan members, other than Becker & Fagen:
Jim Hodder - drowned in the 80s
Denny Dias - worked in computers, I believe (still does?)
Jeff "Skunk" Baxter - I think he still does the nostalgia gig circuit, but isn't he some sort of weapons consultant?

Joe (Joe), Saturday, 8 March 2003 14:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Or they can follow a friend's excellent advice and email a potential contact who manages among other acts, BJM, and can really help them thinking because that person thinks that they have got something? Or they can do some data entry. Which is fine, considering the Moe worked at a greeter at Wal-Mart for years before being rediscovered. And wrote some of the angriest feminist working class songs you will ever hear. Your choice.

Mo Tucker's Boyfriend, Sunday, 9 March 2003 01:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Joel BJM ended up at Ameboa record store from reports which seems fitting.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Sunday, 9 March 2003 01:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Or else you can you let people bring you down forever? Your choice.

Mo Tucker, Sunday, 9 March 2003 01:45 (twenty-three years ago)

whatshisname from Husker Du is now a chef.

Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Sunday, 9 March 2003 05:19 (twenty-three years ago)

I like the guy from Kix who paints billboards now. that's really sad about thye dude from Cop Shoot Cop being a bike messanger. And I also heard the Dead Milkmen / Boston Market rumor.

follow up question: how many musicians have worked / work in an independent record store at some point? THAT list is endless. In New York alone, off the top of my head: Two Strokes, one of Calla, I Sound, most of Non Phixion, Matt of Tower Recordings, Dan from Windsor for the derby, Mark Sightings (Kims Underground alone could form a kickass supergroup), Todd of China Pig, Dan Bunny / Bunnybrains, Dan of Lynnfield Pioneers, Beans of Anti-Pop, Avey Tare and Panda Bear, Brad from Home, most of The Blood Group at some point or another, Kerry of Blue Spark, Kimya of Moldy Peaches, etc....SO many!

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 9 March 2003 05:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeff "Skunk" Baxter - I think he still does the nostalgia gig circuit, but isn't he some sort of weapons consultant?

He is something within the Republican party. Not quite sure what.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 11:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I knew a guy whose driving instructor was in Dave, Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich.

tigerclawskank, Monday, 10 March 2003 13:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Gerardo is a music exec now. I heard the one guy from Milli Vanilli who isn't dead is hosting some show somewhere.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Monday, 10 March 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Other current jobs for former Hated members: Humanities professor, beekeeper.

At my last firm, the partner I worked with most had gone to law school with Jackie Fox of the Runaways.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)

In perhaps the most ironic career move ever, Dan Spitz, formerly of Anthrax, fixes Cuckoo-Cuckoo clocks. He also occassionally yells about Jesus and Scott Ian in interviews and has a lazy eye. The sorry bastard.

-
Alan

Alan Conceicao, Monday, 10 March 2003 15:35 (twenty-three years ago)

(If I had it all to do over again, though, I'd have kept at it. I'm trying to get back in and it's hard.)

Colin Meeder (Mert), Monday, 10 March 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Terminator X owns and operates an ostrich farm in North Carolina.

EC, Monday, 10 March 2003 15:41 (twenty-three years ago)

I love how James Williamson from the Stooges is like in investments now, or something. In the Iggy "Behind the Music," he certainly looks a helluva lot different from those days.

Dudes who once rocked that I have worked with at an ad agency that specialized in real estate: Mike Greenlees (Tar drummer), Rob Sieracki (dis- bassist).

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Angelica's second album came out last year and was grate.

But apparently they're on hiatus or something.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 10 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Terminator X - ostrich farm?? for real?

and, Dan Spitz foudn Jesus? what's the deal? He isn't in Anthrax anymore? damn i'm out of the loop

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:05 (twenty-three years ago)

I heard Dan Spitz formed a band with --- no joke -- Vanilla Ice.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

A special entry for gygax:

Justin from Pitchblende bartends at Hi-Fi, a LES bar, Patrick from Pitchblende is getting a PHD in American Studies and Scott from Pitchblende works at Comedy Central.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Jeff "Skunk" Baxter - I think he still does the nostalgia gig circuit, but isn't he some sort of weapons consultant?

I think the deal with Skunk is that he wrote a research paper on weapons of some kind.. Then the CIA or Congress or some organization called him in to testify because he knew more than anyone else.

Now let's see how my memory is .. google google .. ah, here it is...:
"As a member of the Doobie Brothers and Steely Dan, and as a session guitarist for Carly Simon, Bryan Adams, Ringo Starr and many others, Jeff "Skunk" Baxter has been a clandestine rock and roll hero since the '70s. Now, as a specialist in terrorism, missile defense and chemical and biological warfare, he's also a covert hero for the U.S. military.

He's currently working for the Department of Defense as an adviser to the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization and has also served as a top military adviser for numerous congressmen and senators.

"To most of the world, Skunk Baxter is one of the great rock and roll guitar players. Inside the Beltway, he's one of the leading experts on military defense, and we listen to his advice all the time," said Republican California congressman Dana Rohrabacher. "He knows all about weapons technology and has a better understanding of the strategic game going on than I do, and I'm on the International Relations Committee."

Along with a roster of high-power politicians and military men, Baxter — who learned everything he knows about military defense from reading war history books, technical weapons texts and defense manuals — is now playing a key role in determining how the U.S. can best protect itself against a major nuclear, chemical or biological attack. And while he may be a big fan of the music of John Lennon, he doesn't believe in giving peace a chance, insisting that the mere threat of American military might isn't enough to sway the behavior of radical fundamentalists.

"I don't buy this idea of deterrence being the ultimate be all and end all, so missile defense is a very necessary concept," he said last week, adding that the U.S. needs to act defensively as well as offensively. "We need to protect our ports and our borders. We need to protect our water and food supplies. Agricultural terrorism is something we've been talking about for the past few years. The Russians at one time had placed warheads on their missiles that were designed to kill crops and livestock. In fact, they had smallpox on some of their offensive nuclear warheads at one point. So this is not a pretty game."

When Skunk Baxter speaks, people listen. At 52, he may look like an aging, non-conformist rocker — his scraggly moustache and beard look like clumps of sugary frosted shredded wheat and his beret and large wire-frame glasses give him an erudite appearance — but his creative, no-nonsense ideas and technical expertise endear him to his conservative military peers.

"Some of these people who are generals now were listening to my music when they were lieutenant colonels or lieutenant commanders, so there was a bond there," Baxter said. "But what they realized is that they're looking for people who think out of the box, who approach a problem with a very different point of view because we're talking about asymmetrical warfare here."

The idea that Baxter is being taken with sobering seriousness by a contingent that generally associates rockers with degenerates is amazing enough, but his transformation from guitar guru to high-tech defense wizard is even more incredible.

Like many musicians, Baxter has always been interested in how technology can be applied to music, and has become adept at working with the science of sound. He's served as a technical adviser for major musical manufacturers such as Akai Digital, Roland and Audio-Technica. And his fascination with circuitry and electronics stretches beyond the musical domain into the military realm. In the '80s, while his peers would drink beer and play video games on tour, Baxter would immerse himself in technical defense magazines.

"Technology is really neutral, it's just a question of application," he said. "For instance, if TRW came up with a new data compression algorithms for their spy satellites, I could use that same information and apply it for a musical instrument or a hard disc recording unit. So it was just a natural progression."

Baxter's evolution from defense technology hobbyist to professional happened more by circumstance than intent. A decade ago, one of his friends was writing an op-ed piece on NATO and weapons systems, and knowing Baxter's fascination with military gizmos, she asked if he would help out. He was so inspired by the project, he wrote his own paper on missile defense and handed it to Rohrbacher, who showed it to his associates.

"His friends said, 'Is this guy from Raytheon or Lockheed?' And he said, 'No, he's the guitar player for the Doobie Brothers.' So naturally that raised a few eyebrows," Baxter said.

Based on the paper, Republican Pennsylvania congressman Curt Weldon, the chair of the Procurement Subcommittee of the House Armed Services Committee, invited Baxter to help form a civilian advisory board on missile defense.

"The next thing I knew, I was up to my teeth in national security, mostly in missile defense, but because the pointy end of the missile sometimes is not just nuclear, but chemical, biological or volumetric, I got involved in the terrorism side of things."

While Baxter is currently in demand as a defense expert, he's not ready to permanently trade in his signature Gibson Epiphone guitar for a cache of Stinger missiles. And his resume is mighty impressive. With the Doobie Brothers, he played on such hits as "Black Water" from the 1974 record What Were Once Vices Are Now Habits and "Takin' It to the Streets" from the 1976 album of the same name. As a member of Steely Dan, he played on "Do It Again" from the 1972 disc Can't Buy a Thrill, "My Old School" from 1973's Countdown to Ecstasy and "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" from the 1974 LP Pretzel Logic. Over the past two years, he's played on records by MC Lyte, Michael McDonald, Tom Rush and Evan and Jaron, and in his spare time he continues to produce other acts and give guitar clinics.

"I am honored to be able to work on both sides of the fence," he said. "I will show up anywhere, anytime with a guitar and play to make money, to raise funds, to raise awareness for anything that I can do. And I've also spent many hours burning the midnight oil working on the national security problem with the people I work with. So I am absolutely blessed."

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:14 (twenty-three years ago)

James Williamson works as an engineer in the electronics industry dealing with computers. There is a good interview with him in one of the last issues of The Big Takeover.

earlnash, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:39 (twenty-three years ago)

I hear that to counter Baxter's impressive head for weapons, Iraq is secretly consulting Brad Delp of Boston.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

>>I heard Dan Spitz formed a band with --- no joke -- Vanilla Ice.<<

Yup. Its true. And he did find Jesus. And he's completely insane.

In more hilarious news, Neil Turbin is just NOW putting out a solo metal album. 21 years late but better than never, I guess.

-
Alan

Alan Conceicao, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Yanc3y correction:

Justin from Pitchblende bartends at Hi-Fi, a LES bar

Actually Justin just barbacks there, and I wouldn't consider 13th and A (or wherever it is, north of Tompkins Square Park) the LES.

Last time I was there I also ran into Andrew Beaujon, who was in town for a visit.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, they'd get Sib Hashian if they really wanted an impressive head - an impressive head of hair!

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Hi-Fi's at 9th and Ave A, the old Brownies...

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 10 March 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Next time somebody talks about how complex Steely Dan music is say, "Oh come on it's not exactly rocket science is it!"

dave q, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Okay Yanc3y I guess you're right but he's still a barback.

Coincidentally enough, I saw the last Pitchblende show ever in that very space.

hstencil, Monday, 10 March 2003 18:56 (twenty-three years ago)

K on the barback. I was there last week for Michael Azzerad's DJ night and was surprised to see him behind the bar.

(the new turing machine material = DUD. dull metal, but i still love them tho)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Monday, 10 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...
yanc3,

treiops lives in LA and still makes crazy music and art.

give him a visit:

www.treiops.com

gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 16 June 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Alan Ravenstein - Airline Pilot. The in-flight entertainment could be Alan fiddling with the radar over the intercom.

dave225 (Dave225), Monday, 16 June 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)


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