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is there a good comp out there to start with?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:14 (twenty-three years ago)

and if i'm liking sister rosetta tharpe & rocking "didn't it rain"-type gospel, what else should I check out? I like the soul stirrers, swan silvertones, and alex bradford a lot.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:17 (twenty-three years ago)

also looking for a good sister wynona carr (sp?) comp or full length. I just have "life is a ballgame" on a v/a comp. It's amazing.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 15:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Fritz for $20 you can get the recent Proper 4-CD set with the unfortunate name of Original Soul Sisters--it duplicates all the music on the (much more expensive) three CDs on Document. SRT is much more blues-gospel, with some very raunchy and wonderful national steel guitar, than the groups you mention. Not really much vocal harmony.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:19 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks! I'll check that out, sounds perfect. I love the vocal harmony groups, but I'm pretty curious about guitar-blues-gospel stuff these days. I like Blind Willie Johnson and Rev Gary Davis a lot but really looking now for a little more joyous and exuberant guitar-based gospel - maybe kind of between the harmony groups and the straight-up blues players. anyone know of any good books on the evolution of gospel?

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

A good book on the blues/gospel overlap is Paul Oliver's Songsters and Saints. Tony Heilbut's The Gospel Sound is mostly about postwar gospel harmony groups (and some soloists), and from time to time it takes an annoying purists' stance w/r/t soul music, but it's still a good basic history.

You should look for the Slide Guitar Gospel CD on Document with Rev. Lonnie Farris.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:41 (twenty-three years ago)

you are truly a font of wisdom, amateurist! thanks many times over.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Search also: Sister O. M. Terrell (more national steel guitar gospel madness), Arizona Dranes (pounding gospel piano), Elder Chas. Beck (fervent preaching and spirited singing), etc.

Supposedly there's a record label (whose name escapes me) working on some giant box set of prewar preaching and gospel singing.

Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 16:54 (twenty-three years ago)

cut and pasted: Sister Rosetta Tharpe Complete Recorded Works, Volume One (1938-41) and Volume Two (1942-44). They're on Document Records.

(I would start with volume 2 myself, just for "Down By The Riverside", but they're both wonderful. I don't have Volume Three, but curious.)

jleideck, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:51 (twenty-three years ago)

OMG, Elder Beck! There is the most extraordinary track by him where he is preaching about the evils of rock music while he (or someone else, but I hope not) plays an electric guitar, in a manner that gets wilder and more exciting as he preaches against exactly the kind of noise it's making.

Dragnet For Jesus is an excellent Sister Wynona Carr gospel comp, including the great 15 Rounds For Jesus (featuring one of my favourite ever lyrics, "I bolo-punch for Jesus").

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

the only Wynona Carr record I have (Jump, Jack, Jump on Specialty records) is pretty determindly secular. But good, anyway! From the liner notes it says that she recorded gospel in the late 40s and early 50s, and moved to pop/R&B tunes in '55. I've not heard any of her gospel, but 15 rounds for Jesus sounds like a winner!

pauls00, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Dorothy Love Coates can be gd, too.

Triskont did a v. gd early gospel comp called 'Hallelujah' which is really loud and rockin', and Revenant's 'American Primitives Vol. 1' is full of the most amazing recs that blur the divide between gospel and secular music.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Even better than American Primitive (gah that title suXor) is Fremeaux's Gospel: Guitar Evangelists. Tracklisting:

BLIND JOE TAGGART : GOD'S GONNA SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE TARES • BLIND JOE TAGGART : RELIGION IS SOMETHING WITHIN YOU • REV. EDWARD CLAYBORN : MEN DON'T FORGET YOUR WIVES FOR YOUR SWEETHEART • BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON : IT'S NOBODY'S FAULT BUT MINE • BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON : DARK WAS THE NIGHT - COLD WAS THE GROUND • LONNIE MCINTORSH : HOW MUCH I OWE • WILLIAM & VERSEY SMITH : WHEN THAT GREAT SHIP WENT DOWN • BLIND WILLIE DAVIS : ROCK OF AGES • A.C. FOREHAND : MOTHER'S PRAYER • REV. MOSES MASON : GO WASH IN THE BEAUTIFUL STREAM • BLIND WILLIE HARRIS : WHERE HE LEADS ME I WILL FOLLOW • BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON : PRAISE GOD I'M SATISFIED • MOTHER MCCOLLUM : YOU CAN'T HIDE • BLIND GUSSIE NESBITT : PURE RELIGION • BLIND GARY DAVIS : YOU CAN GO HOME • BLIND GARY DAVIS : O LORD, SEARCH MY HEART • CRUMPTON & SUMMERS : EVERYBODY OUGHT TO PRAY SOMETIME • WASHINGTON PHILLIPS : DENOMINATION BLUES • BLUESMEN : LIL MC CLINTOCK : SOW GOOD SEEDS • HENRY THOMAS : JONAH IN THE WILDERNESS • BLIND LEMON JEFFERSON : WHERE SHALL I BE ! • CHARLEY PATTON : PRAYER OF DEATH • SKIP JAMES : JESUS IS A MIGHTY GOOD LEADER • BARBECUE BOB : JESUS' BLOOD CAN MAKE ME WHOLE • SON BONDS : GIVE ME THAT OLD TIME RELIGION • SLEEPY JOHN ESTES : WHEN THE SAINTS GO MARCHING IN • JOSH WHITE : JESUS GONNA MAKE UP MY DYING BED • JOSH WHITE : LORD, I WANT TO DIE EASY • BLIND WILLIE & KATE MC TELL : GOD DON'T LIKE IT • BULL CITY RED : I SAW THE LIGHT • KID PRINCE MOORE :
CHURCH BELLS • MENPHIS MINNIE : LET ME RIDE • BLIND ROOSEVELT GRAVES : I'LL BE RESTED • BROWNIE MC GHEE : DONE WHAT MY LORD SAID • SISTER ROSETTA THARPE : LET THAT LIAR ALONE • REV. UTAH SMITH : I WANT TWO WINGS.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Paul, I have Jump, Jack, Jump too - I think the two comps came out as kind of companion pieces at the same time. At least, I think of them as wonderfully complementary.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:34 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, this thread is a goldmine - I will have to check out a lot of this stuff. My only paltry recommendation is the Staple Singers' early gospel material, especially the live "Freedom Highway" if you can find it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Have you guys heard of the steel guitar gospel series on Arhoolie?

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 22:44 (twenty-three years ago)

early staple singers = definite classic! ooh, yeah. "this may be the last time", "will the circle be unbroken" and best of all "don't knock" (saw the detroit cobras do a FINE version of this a while back...made me want to get religion and another tall drink at the same time). I'd suggest you get the "pray on" compilation from charly records, 'cause it is very nice. Love the later (vaguely secular) Staples, too, but the early gospel stuff is where ya gotta go.

I've heard bits of the steel guitar gospel stuff on arhoolie, and it's pretty wild. The Holmes brothers did some gospel and r&b a number of years back, with steel guitar, too, which was cool, but it wasn't as crazy as the arhoolie stuff.

pauls00, Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:47 (twenty-three years ago)

I think Pops Staples was inspired in part by Sister Rosetta. My favorite Staples' recording is "Too Close."

Also search: Rev. Louis Overstreet with His Sons
and the Congregation of St. Luke's Powerhouse Church of God in Christ
, also on Arhoolie.

Streetcorner gospel is a minor passion of mine. I think I've mentioned the Rev. Baybie Hoover LP on other threads.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 March 2003 05:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Per designer Susan Archie in the latest Sound Collector:

"A six-disc anthology of prewar gospel, sermons, and prayers is being released by Dust-to-Digital in the fall. That's called Goodbye, Babylon."

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 13 March 2003 06:01 (twenty-three years ago)

_everyone_ was influenced by Rosetta. She was the first major gospel music crossover success story. Went pop, pissed off the church by playing with big bands in the city, then returned to traditional style, bringing her new audience with her.

Album cover to Precious Memories

That new 4 CD set on Proper Records for $20 looks incredible. Everything on Proper Records looks incredible, I dunno how they do it. Thanks everyone for all the tips on this thread.

jleideck, Thursday, 13 March 2003 20:17 (twenty-three years ago)

five years pass...

magical

Turangalila, Friday, 2 January 2009 18:05 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

^ just saw this during the intro film at the Stax Museum in Memphis last week (that place is AWESOME btw). Digging into her catalogue right this minute (early acoustic stuff is stellar, oh my!)

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 20 February 2010 01:32 (sixteen years ago)

i mentioned this above, but get thee some recordings by sister o.m. terrell

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 20 February 2010 04:08 (sixteen years ago)

ten months pass...

doc about her tonight on bbc 4

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 January 2011 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

Damn, thanks for reminding me man, I forgot this was on tonight!

Officer Pupp, Friday, 14 January 2011 22:34 (fifteen years ago)

I gotta get some stuff on this thread

curmudgeon, Saturday, 15 January 2011 03:11 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://gwtoday.gwu.edu/sister-rocks?

PBS tv in USA American Masters doc on Sister Rosetta Tharpe Friday night February 22 at 9 pm Eastern

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:05 (thirteen years ago)

A man in Philadelphia who heard Dr. Wald speak on NPR discovered that Ms. Tharpe was buried in an unmarked grave. He arranged a benefit concert that raised enough money to purchase a headstone. Later, he worked with community activists to place a plaque on the house where Ms. Tharpe had lived in one of Philadelphia’s first middle-class black neighborhoods.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 20 February 2013 21:08 (thirteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.brainpickings.org/2013/03/20/sister-rosetta-tharpe/

nice video from 1965 in the UK

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 00:03 (eleven years ago)

I have that Proper box and I don't feel like it's as wild as I hoped - in terms of electric guitar power and overall unhinged energy, it really doesn't match up to the YouTube clips above. Any suggestions for recordings that match that level of awesomeness?

the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 31 March 2015 00:11 (eleven years ago)

bump

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 14:21 (eleven years ago)

maybe you can just play the same recordings but get some more jesus in your heart

j., Tuesday, 31 March 2015 14:35 (eleven years ago)

can anyone with old school manchester knowledge ID which train station is in that last video?

ogmor, Tuesday, 31 March 2015 14:41 (eleven years ago)


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