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what is the most PUNK song of all time?

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& define PUNK, etc.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:32 (twenty-three years ago)

It's whatever Alex in NYC sez it is. *hides*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

punk as cliched genre: 'Anarchy In The UK'

punk as method and act of rebellion: anything relatively uncompromising, sonically powerful, defiant YET triumphant ('Energy Flash' springs to mind)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Ramones - Beat on the Brat

Sex Pistols = art skool rock band.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:41 (twenty-three years ago)

John Cage--'4:33'

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Mogwai - Punk Rock

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:52 (twenty-three years ago)

"Ack Ack Ack", the Urinals.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Peter Hammill "Nadir's Big Chance", obv.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:55 (twenty-three years ago)

i like oops' answer. cage is an anticipatory plagiarist to the nth degree.

also, just to throw in another song, the electric eels "bunnies".

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

the muppet show theme

It's time to play the music,
It's time to light the lights,
It's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight,

It's time to put on makeup,
It's time to destroy dress up right,
It's time to raise the curtian on the Muppet Show tonight,

Waldorf- Why do we always come here?
Statler- I guess we'll never know
Waldorf- It's like a kind of torture
Both- To have to watch the show

And now lets get things started
Why don't you destroy get things started
It's time to get things started
On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Muppetational this is what we call the Muppet Show!

m.

― msp, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:57 (twenty-three years ago)

the Cage track seems like an artistic statement. rebellious and defiant tho, perhaps contrived too. but isnt PUNK just as much about power and energy and some negative feeling (the idea being you're only punk if you're pissed off)? 'Energy Flash' has all those things you see.

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

*wanders blindfolded into minefield*

um, no. unless you are attempting to define punk in some narrow UK Sex Pistols 77punk way.

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:04 (twenty-three years ago)

i luv u - dizzee rascal or dish it out by the contortions

nah fuck it blonde redhead by dna

― schnell schnell, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:08 (twenty-three years ago)

"My Ding-A-Ling"

― dave q, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Quite possibly "Runaround Sue," Dion and the Belmonts.

Though it has competition, most of which you'll find on *Nuggets.

― chuck, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:15 (twenty-three years ago)

>>Though it has competition, most of which you'll find on *Nuggets.<

Except for the ones Laura Branigan sang, that is.

― chuck, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

>>Except for the ones Laura Branigan sang, that is.<<

Unless Schooly-D or Spoonie Gee or Bam Bam or David Allen Coe or Axl Rose or Michael Jackson or Eminem did. (Or, uh, Iggy Stooge or Johnny Rotten or David Johansen or Mick Jagger or Bob Dylan or ARE Weapons.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Laura Branigan, "Imagination"

― dave q, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:24 (twenty-three years ago)

chuck chimes in with more anticipatory plagiarism. selecting something nuggety (courtesy of the framework Lenny Kaye codified), i'd say the Sonics, "The Witch."

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

"Millenium Prayer". No radio play, no press coverage, an artist that's done his thing whilst being roundly derided by the rest of the music scene, and he still got to number one.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Most "punk" in what capacity? Sound? Spirit? Execution?

In any event, I'm going with "(I'm) Stranded" by the Saints.....`cos I fuckin' say so.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:33 (twenty-three years ago)

"Hound Dog," Elvis.

― Burr, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Avril Lavigne - Complicated

― man, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:36 (twenty-three years ago)

enya beats cliff richard for pure-success-against-the-odds. i suggest orinocco flow.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

i dont agree with that definition of punk. 'Millennium Prayer' on its own terms IS defiant and triumphant but the problem is its anti-anti-conformist i.e. it ignores the cynicism and trends of the time and harkened back to the time before those trends - a mythical age where evangelical anthems were the pop of the era, but isnt punk supposed to be something radical and NEW right?

Pete Waterman was saying how Kylie's 'I Should Be So Lucky' is the most punk song ever because he put it out on his own (then) small independent label and she was an actress that couldnt sing particularly well but it was a smash hit in the face of cynicism...

but for punk to be punk shouldnt there be cynicism in the song's message too?

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

The song I consider to be the most punk is Atari Teenage Riot's "Start The Riot". It's a relentlessly brutal primal shriek of rage and hatred mixed in with chirpy kiddy samples. That "throw-in-everything-and-see-what-genius-falls-out" type of songwriting screams punk to me.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:38 (twenty-three years ago)

in line with dan perry's definition, i suggest aphex twin - come to daddy.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

if enya is a proposed choise, then i nominate my mom. she'd sound good too if you processed and multitracked her voice ad infinitum.

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:40 (twenty-three years ago)

>>That "throw-in-everything-and-see-what-genius-falls-out" type of songwriting screams punk to me.<<<

"Throw in everything and see what genius falls out" has more to do with disco (or even prog rock) than punk (which, as often as not, is more like, "Leave everything out that other punks say we're not allowed to put in."). (Though, LOOK AT US, MOMMY, AREN'T YOU IMPRESSED BY HOW WE'RE THROWING EVERYTHING IN THERE AND SEEING WHAT GENIUS FALLS OUT may well be more punk. Or at least "punk." Which is maybe where Atari Teenage Riot fit in. Though they were okay at it.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

there are a lot of ways to interpret punk - this thread wouldve said PUNK ROCK if it meant punk as in punk rock i guess, so forget 'Anarchy In The UK' i guess

problem is 'punk' as a term on its own is far too vague - aesthetically it seems to mean everything and anything with a degree of the 'we dont care' attitude, sloppy execution, creative experimentation and a 'no future' mentality. not sure about the 'no sell out' concept, or whether it means a record can't be punk if its on a major label or does not offend at least some people out there

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:44 (twenty-three years ago)

If you're talking about offending people out there, than maybe Creed are the most punk band on earth.

― chuck, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

(oh that chuck and his non-typical answers)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:47 (twenty-three years ago)

orgofart

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm gonna have to go with the Electric Eels idea .. except I vote for "Crummy Fags"

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:53 (twenty-three years ago)

& define PUNK
.. oh .. you know - because it's like they just don't fuckin' care.. it's so fuckin' cool.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 18:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd say something from the first Wipers record, like the original mix of "Return of the Rat." Sage was notoriously uncompromising and the thing has a cheap self-recorded feel that makes it sound harsher than it is. Plus the whole song has a vague persecution complex us-against-them theme without really defining who 'us' is.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:00 (twenty-three years ago)

problem is 'punk' as a term on its own is far too vague - aesthetically it seems to mean everything and anything with a degree of the 'we dont care' attitude, sloppy execution, creative experimentation and a 'no future' mentality. not sure about the 'no sell out' concept, or whether it means a record can't be punk if its on a major label or does not offend at least some people out there

possible formula for most punk song ever:

'we dont care' attitude
+
sloppy execution (accidental rather than deliberate)
+
experimental
+
'no future' mentality
+
'no sell out'
+
independent/unsigned
=
it

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

boredoms - bocacola

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

something by arty-punky-sloppy-noisy-sometimes uncompromising-pop-group sonic youth, maybe?

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

"Solitary Confinement" by the Weirdos (ask again tomorrow).

― matt riedl (veal), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:16 (twenty-three years ago)

i think the problem with defining punk is that it's more about a process, attitude, philosophy than the end-product (in the sence that formula a always produces product b).

certainly, i can think of punk bands though against each of the part's of stevem's formula.

we dont care' attitude --- Half Japanese (early with both Fair brothers)
+
sloppy execution (accidental rather than deliberate) -- Television (also, deliberate sloppiness has always been just as popular of a move in punk as the accidental)
+
experimental
+
'no future' mentality (Ramones, which arguably could be seen as a celebration of pop cultures and pop music -- celebrating the now -- or the Twinkeyez, in love with UFOs, cartoons, etc -- certainly many punk bands weren't about no future, but about creating a new future -- rebuilding rock and pop)
+
'no sell out' (in terms of aesthetic concepts or signing to a major label?)
+
independent/unsigned (Buzzcocks, Sex Pistols, the Fall)

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:18 (twenty-three years ago)

The Who - My Generation

― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:20 (twenty-three years ago)

"Sussudio" or however you spell it.

― hstencil, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:21 (twenty-three years ago)

. . . but, please, take my wife.

― Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

The Who - My Generation

I was going to suggest that one too.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

"wasted" - blck flag...pre rollins for all ya haters.

― bryan kennedy (bryan kennedy), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

Godz "Radar Eyes"

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom Waits' "I Don't Want to Grow Up" is the most punk thing ever recorded.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I take back my ATR suggestion and offer "Diary of an Unborn Child" by Lil' Markie.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Germs, "I Got it Caught in My Eye."

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:54 (twenty-three years ago)

for the thousandth time, Moby - "What Love"

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 20:57 (twenty-three years ago)

"The Medium Was Tedium" by the Desperate Bicycles. "It's a negative point of view, and I bet you've got it too".

― James Annett (jlannett), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Shellac - Prayer to God

― ken taylrr, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Alberto Y Los Trios Paranoias-"Kill"

― Charles McCain, Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Descendents "i'm not a punk"

― panico (panico), Tuesday, 11 March 2003 22:46 (twenty-three years ago)

American Analog Set - Punk as Fuck

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 02:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Now, we're up to our long distance dedication..."

― Evan (Evan), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 02:58 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWE7FFlWQJU

― Michael M., Monday, 26 March 2012 23:43 (fourteen years ago)

turns out, punk is dead

― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:49 (fourteen years ago)

Ooooo, I adore the Mint Chicks! But it's a bit random for this thread.

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 26 March 2012 23:52 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RLBJyont2M

i apologize to god, my mom and the world

― Fozzy Osbourne (contenderizer), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:53 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q2jw-RX4xw

― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Monday, 26 March 2012 23:54 (fourteen years ago)

Gerald: how so?

― Michael M., Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:10 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfJXaZ9WvLY&feature=related

― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:12 (fourteen years ago)

The idea of what's "punk" is a bit elusive unless you stick with a 2-chord aping of the Pistols. I mean, sure, if you want to look at punk as the DIY approach then I suppose you can consider The Mint Chicks as punk. I think of them more as spazz-rock. :-)

― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:25 (fourteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny8ZXXRBIns

― The term “hipster racism” from Carmen Van Kerckhove at Racialicious (nakhchivan), Thursday, 29 March 2012 23:26 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't think even the Mint Chicks considered themselves punk after a while.

I think I see 'Take It I Don't Want It' as a particularly expressive example of the anti-societal unmaterialistic conventions that most people associate with punk. As well as that, it's got a distinctive kick to it that still somehow welcomes tastes of other genres that allowed punk to become more than just a sound. This song is about feeling more than it is about ideals, and that's what I like about it - it's perfectly vague, but you still know exactly what they mean.

Even though they probably didn't mean 'punk' when they wrote it.

― Michael M., Friday, 30 March 2012 00:52 (fourteen years ago)

pay to cum or nervous breakdown

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:01 (fourteen years ago)

i like the sex pistols but the most punk song could never be british

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:02 (fourteen years ago)

and not to say that UK punk wasn't awesome

but punk doesn't belong to you it was ours before and it was ours after you were done with it

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:04 (fourteen years ago)

'my generation' might have an issue with you, there

wait, the blues,

wait

this thread is now about: most PROTOPUNK song of all time

― Michael M., Friday, 30 March 2012 01:14 (fourteen years ago)

the who was mod though, protopunk but mod

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:42 (fourteen years ago)

I dunno if we're talking sound or attitude here but yeah, definitely more mod than punk

― Michael M., Friday, 30 March 2012 01:56 (fourteen years ago)

no i'm just saying that mod was it's own thing and they were mod so that would preclude them from being punk! but they def were an influence on punk i'm sure

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 March 2012 01:58 (fourteen years ago)

Well considering that most definitions of punk start in the mid-70s, you couldn't call them 'punk' in the same way you'd call a band 'mod'. 'Mod' was a thing of the time with strict terms whereas punk was not yet at level, nor even a word for a style of music or thinking. But heeeeey now we're getting into "what is punk?"

― Michael M., Friday, 30 March 2012 02:04 (fourteen years ago)

anyway I think Death are a cool protopunk band

― Michael M., Friday, 30 March 2012 02:05 (fourteen years ago)

hell yeah they are

― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:00 (fourteen years ago)

no i'm just saying that mod was it's own thing and they were mod so that would preclude them from being punk! but they def were an influence on punk i'm sure

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, March 29, 2012 6:58 PM (4 hours ago)

man, i hate to be this guy, but:
...i see punk as a long-form narrative of the late 20th century, basically i see everything i like as punk: free jazz, weirdo hard rock, early hip hop, the doors, CCR, the stooges, PIL...like the byron coley/mike watt definition of punk

― dave coolier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, February 22, 2012 8:23 AM (1 month ago)

i do this not in zing, but in love. i thought a lot about that second/older post (from the blue oyster cult albums thread), which was originally offered as an instructive rebuttal to me, and eventually decided that i had to agree with you, at least in part. punk is two things at once: 1) a distinct sound and genre, and 2) a long-form narrative that builds up to and continues past any single "punk moment".

it's weird cuz i was getting trapped by the more narrow definition in the BOC thread just like you are here. so i gotta return the favor: the who were totally fucking punk.

― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 06:12 (fourteen years ago)

Ha ha you've convinced me! Me otm, me not otm

I guess I was trying to think about how mod was a really defined ethos & subculture and kind of it's own thing in a way, and clashed with punk in some regards even as it influenced punk

― the penultimate prophets (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 30 March 2012 16:26 (fourteen years ago)

It's this without a doubt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nXA0_lqx6hU

― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 30 March 2012 22:34 (fourteen years ago)

some doubt

― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 22:38 (fourteen years ago)

oh, c'mon now.

― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 30 March 2012 22:48 (fourteen years ago)

all time is a pretty big amount of it!

― preternatural concepts concerning variances in sound and texture (contenderizer), Friday, 30 March 2012 22:49 (fourteen years ago)

you're being a poopy-head.

― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 30 March 2012 22:52 (fourteen years ago)

lol I still own a Youth Gone Mad flexi-disc

sorry, that song is not in the running.

― Flat Of NAGLs (sleeve), Friday, 30 March 2012 23:02 (fourteen years ago)

oh doggone it ok I know it's not.

i just wanted it to have its moment of the sun.

**pouts**

― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 30 March 2012 23:11 (fourteen years ago)

or in the sun, even

― collardio gelatinous, Friday, 30 March 2012 23:12 (fourteen years ago)

this has been in my head for like a month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhOe3C6cg30

― CharlieS, Saturday, 31 March 2012 01:28 (fourteen years ago)


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