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We come to bury them, not praise them.

Smiths/Morrissey
MBV
Missy Elliott and Timbaland

Say something AWFUL for a change...

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I suspect that Missy may have difficulty pooping (based on the quote she once gave about not eating anything green).

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:30 (twenty-three years ago)

"sorrow will come in the end" makes me laugh. and not in that cozy, sympathetic, oh-morrissey,-your-egotism-is-charming kind of way. it's utter rubbish, and incidentally, there's a copy of _maladjusted_ at the local record store which no one has even moved in four years.

― soundnfury, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Which is a pity since I rather like that album. "Trouble loves me..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy Elliot is ugly.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 05:59 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, it's not a bad album. i can't bring myself to utterly abhor anything morrissey does, but that song never fails to bother me in ways that i don't appreciate. if i wanted to, i suppose, i could appreciate it ironically... but that's a discredit to a wonderful wonderful artist. we don't forgive our favorites their mistakes, and we hate it when our friends become successful.

― soundnfury, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 06:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Kevin Shields is a slacker. No way around it. "Perfectionist," yeah, whatever. Aren't perfectionists supposed to actually get work done once in a while?

― Jesse Fox Mayshark (Jesse Fox), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 06:43 (twenty-three years ago)

"Trouble loves me..."

I know we're supposed to be saying bad (and as not exactly an ILM regular I'm not sure I'm qualified to step in here anyway), but I really love this song. A shouldabeen Bond theme, maybe.

OK, how's this? I lurv the Smiths' singles, but can't get into their albums (that argument's come and gone elsewhere here). And JMarr's prattling about how his Smiths riffs were adapted from RAWK stuff like MC5 is just laughable. (Or at least reveals him as an incompetent copyist. Which on the other hand isn't a very bad thing to say about someone.)

― wl (wl), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 06:56 (twenty-three years ago)

the adoration for MBV is based more on the average age of this board than actual quality

*ducks*

― Dave M. (rotten03), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 07:18 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.o-t.us/upload/guest/shady2.jpg
http://www.o-t.us/upload/guest/shady3.jpg

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex in NYC's favorite catchphrase to thread!

― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 07:36 (twenty-three years ago)

When music geeks attack!

― wl (wl), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:26 (twenty-three years ago)

ok...here goes...

"I Am Hated For Loving" is a horrible title, "Our Frank" is a shitty song, and Moz's cover of "That's Entertainmnet" blows...

Siamese Dream kills Loveless

Here in NYC, Misy did station IDs for three different (competing) radio stations, and they all say something to the effect of "New York's HOTTEST for hip hop and R&B" or "the ONLY place for hip hop and R&B" - well, which IS it? Is Missy just hedging her bets? lame.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 08:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Timbaland's actual rap music, especially "Here We Go", is embarassingly bad, and irritating in a kind of "instore supermarket jingle" kind of way.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Even as a huge fan, I have to concede that of the Smiths' studio albums, only The Queen Is Dead manages consistent quality. While Johnny Marr was at his best on the first two, Morrissey does his best to ruin things half the time with off-key bleating of purple poetry. Everyone always blames the production on the first album. I suspect they just don't want to admit that the voice is shit on half the songs (the falsettos are physically painful), the lyrics, when they're not good, are hideous, and the vocal 'melodies' seem to have no connection to the music except on the singles. (Not that I don't still listen to it or anything.) Coming from a vegetarian, I don't know how anyone can not be embarrassed by "Meat Is Murder". Doesn't everyone secretly wish, even a little bit, that Morrissey maybe bothered to take one or two voice lessons even before trying something as great as "Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now"? Strangeways is mostly just dull, the songs ridiculous and overblown.

MBV get talked about way too much for a band that made one good album 12 years ago. (Yes, I've heard Isn't Anything. I bought and sold it within a month years ago. The singing was pathetic, the sound generally clumsy and amateurish.)

So Addictive left me totally cold.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

cupid come is a horrible piece of tuneless arse.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:34 (twenty-three years ago)

MBV - the Spirea X it's Ok to like

Smiths - niminy-piminy ooh matron preciousness would cause a generation of students to overlook a fatal lack of vocal melody.

― MattAlder, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 09:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I find Morrissey's voice unspeakably annoying and the Smith's music tedious at best.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 10:20 (twenty-three years ago)

I did a thread on MBV a while ago. I think Loveless is rubbish as it so happens.

As for The Smiths - that's blasphemy.

― Calum Robert, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:08 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't think the smiths first album is that great. and even "The queen is dead" has silly "vicar in a tutu" on it. Bah!

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:12 (twenty-three years ago)

The Smiths didn't know how to write songs. Just wrote the lyrics at first, and then Morrissey improvised some wank on top of Marr's guitar playing. They got better towards the end of their career though, songs like "Girlfriend In a Coma" having more of a typical pop song build than their earlier annoyingly repetitive and ostinato/improvisation based stuff.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 11:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I wouldn't go in the loo after Missy Elliot had been in. That's for sure.

― Calum Robert, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 12:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Miss E...Uninterestingly Repetetive

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:17 (twenty-three years ago)

As for The Smiths - that's blasphemy.
Unless Johnny Marr has been officially beatified by the Vatican, this is a false statement. Besides, Calum....you're not getting into the spirit of this thread. Everybody on ILM already knows that the Smiths are GREBT. But nobody, and I do mean NO-BODY, is 100% perfect. This thread is a chance to offer *cough*constructive criticism*cough* to those acts we have already been cutting alot of slack and giving alot of praise.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:37 (twenty-three years ago)

DFA are rubbish remixers, and DFA-produced tracks are rubbish when they get remixed.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Morrissey's whole schtick is an almost unbelievably cynical demonstration of contempt for his audience, n'est-pas?

(NB I heart Morrissey, I am following Lord Custos's good suggestions, which isn't to say that I don't think there's a kernel of truth in my remark above, because there is)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy Elliot is a Omega Mu.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Ouch.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:46 (twenty-three years ago)

I hope gygax doesn't mind that I've printed out his post and will be hanging it up on my music room wall.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy Elliott and Timbaland

My little sister has better flows than Missy Elliot. This is neither a lie nor an exaggeration.

I made Timbaland beats before Timbaland did.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 13:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Morrissey has a stupid haircut.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

My Bloody Valentine have crappy album covers.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

smiths/morrissey- many many great tracks but albs are always 'flawed'.

MBV's loveless, on first listen has been hailed as some sort of new way of making guitar pop but the approach is finite really (still it doesn't stop it from being a great record, in fact all their creation material is fantastic and it's the only truly fantastic stuff released on the label pre-sony takeover days).

missy/timbaland- mass hysteria me thinks but some good singles.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy cannot rap and I don't find it "charming" or a "good point" of her songs that she cannot rap, unlike seemingly everyone else. She's only got a couple good songs.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread has been quite useful for picking out the idiots

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:00 (twenty-three years ago)

like you didn't know already.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:02 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread has been quite useful for picking out the idiots

Not quite so much as all those other threads where everyone praises on-and-on Missy's mic "skills" and Timbaland's "innovative" beats, but yeah, I guess so.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy says she shaves her chocha...I doubt it. I bet she's got a friggin small varmint workin down there.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I thought i heard once that Morrissey's a homo.

― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

MBV only made one good album
Morissey only made one good half-album
Missy only made one good song (that was 5 years ago), and her voice makes me yearn for nails on a chalkboard.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

ride with me and hot in herre are two of the most irritating songs in the history of music

― robin (robin), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

hey nick if you made tim's "innovative" beats before he did then why are you languishing around with the rest of us plebes instead of lampin in the hamptons?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Because the living is cheaper in Kentucky, obv.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Because I don't have trendy celebrity MCs rapping over top of them, that's why. And 'cause I live in Lexington, KY, a town that basically doesn't exist outside of KY. And because I don't have Interscope records putting out my shit. Among a variety of other reasons.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

plus, you haven't got that incredibly cool 'wicky-wicky' fake scratch sound down, and you interject your "ungh" and "uh-huh" in the wrong place. Timbaland's a genius

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:56 (twenty-three years ago)

did you try?

(i'm guessing when tim was broke in virginia beach - also a town which prior to, um, tim basically wasn't very much on the hip-hop map (see also: detroit, st lou, houston, and basically any place that wasn't the bronx until someone put it there) - he wasn't making excuses.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Luckily Nickalicious we live in the age of the Interweb where forgotten geniuses like yrself are no longer confined by geography! I am sure one of the webmasters here will be glad to offer space to the epochal recordings of your pre-Timbaland beats and your sister's Missy-beating rhymes! Then perhaps at long last justice will be done.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:58 (twenty-three years ago)

(nb: i don't buy the "you can't do this, so what right do you have to criticize it?" line, but i REALLY dont buy the "me/my mom/my baby sister can do THIS shit" line.)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 15:59 (twenty-three years ago)

I pretty much just rapped and sang on the beats myself, gave some demo copies to some people, got bored with it, moved on to playing keyboards and rapping and singing in an 8-person psychedelic-hip-hop jam band, got bored, moved on to recording solo acoustic guitar/vocal pieces, gave demos out again, got bored again, moved on to what I'm doing now, vocalizing in my (craptacular) current band. Soon I'll get bored and start doing something else.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:00 (twenty-three years ago)

it's the jaded robot!!!!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

You can hear for yourself stuff I've done at either:

http://nickalicious.iuma.com

or my band at

http://www.mp3.com/green_theory

I imagine you all will very much dislike it, and will make fun of me, but whatevah. At least nobody's proclaiming me to be "innovative" or anything to that effect. That's really the only thing that bothers me about the whole "Missy is GOD" thing.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, I'm from Va. Beach! But, yeah you are right. But at least we have a Wu Store. Sometimes, late in the wee hours of the morning, if you're cruising down 64 you can see the Wu van in your rear view mirror and then when you look back....IT'S GONE.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:04 (twenty-three years ago)

D'oh! Except the actual link for the solo stuff page is:

http://nickaliscious.iuma.com

...cause I misspelled it way back when I made that page. And now that I think about it, the only hip-hop song on the opening page is "People With Plans".

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

leave Nick alone.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

he brought this on himself

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Supafriendz are from VA right? Richmond?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

First time I went to the Wu-Wear store, they were playing Muzak. The day the music died.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes that's true. Calling stuff crappy is wrong. Even though I don't call out jess when he proclaims Lyrics Born the worst rapper ever and such.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:07 (twenty-three years ago)

he brought this on himself

...you lost me. He's asking you to listen in to some of his stuff so you can judge -- have you?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

If I ever make a rap rekkid, I'ma gonna call it "Lampin' in the Hamptons"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

the philly wu-wear store is now a relapse records shop!

(i think)

nick, i said lyrics born sounded like a grandpa (he is clearly the worst of the three solesides MCs), but i didn't say that i could sound like a better grandpa, before the fact

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

All I was saying above about "my sister can flow better" is actually based on the fact that my sister can complete a flow without changing subject, without interjecting animal noise samples, and without inserting a variety of nonsensical syllables. Other than that, it's pretty much all personal taste.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh yeah, you can also catch Pharrel eating in Norfolk sometimes. But I think that's exactly all the good the Tidewater area is for.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Ah OK, so "better" means "less interesting" - gotcha!

(Good work for putting the links to your stuff up though Nick).

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I kinda meant more like "better = more consistent and thorough", but yeah I guess one could see it that way.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

MISSYISTS.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Pharrel and glassblowing.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:15 (twenty-three years ago)

MBV is nothing more than a Gen X "Wall of Sound".

― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

MC LYTE did it better.

― Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

nickaliscius is..."Experimental lo-fi beatnik hip-hop organic electronic alternative emo jazz. Indie spoken word ambient funk."
*sigh* aren't we all, nick...aren't we all.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

why have no rappers filmed a video at historical willamsburg yet?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey I didn't write that, my (now ex)girlfriend did!

*suddenly realizing I haven't updated that site in 9 months*

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Colonial Williamsburg is ripe for a hip-hop video! Jigga riding down Duke of Gloucester Street in a carriage with 34" rims surrounded by stacks and stacks of quality potatoes and firewood! It needs to be done!

(in college one of my favorite things to do was drop acid and wander around colonial williamsburg. lotsa fun)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Supafriendz are from Richmond, but I thought they were just a local thing. Are they popular elsewhere? One of the dudes is a dj on one of the local rap stations.

I think the next 50 Cent video should be an instruction in candle-making.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Yanc3y, you went to W&M? I went to UVA. The only thing I remember about Williamsburg from my many field trips there is that the building they stored guns in is called a magazine. And they have excellent ginger snap cookies there.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

worst. vacation. ever.

(keep in mind i was on 12 and not on drugs.)

but yeah...that, what is it, gov'nrs mansion? with all the guns on the walls? perfect!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

*thanking the heavens I'm not the only person who's tripped-and-enjoyed-it in a colonial town*

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Jigga riding down Duke of Gloucester Street in a carriage with 34" rims surrounded by stacks and stacks of quality potatoes and firewood! It needs to be done!
Hey, man, if you bring the video cameras, I'll bring my glock and my three-cornered hat.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I went to W&M, Carey, yeah. So did Nick A. right above you there. And yeah jess, the Governor's Palace. I used to get head there all the time.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Plus there's that crazy maze in the back of the governor's mansion.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy live sounds like an abortion.

― original bgm, Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:28 (twenty-three years ago)

have you perfomed many?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

WILLIAMZBURG REPRAZENT!

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:39 (twenty-three years ago)

as we all simultaneously 'raize the roof'.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

jess are you asking alan if he's performed abortions or are you asking me how many dicks i've sucked?

anyway, missy is terrible live. she has no control over her voice -- no pitch at all, just a flat yawp. very disappointing.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:42 (twenty-three years ago)

have you sucked out many abortions?

anyway, i agree missy sucks live, but still, "this soup taste like gasoline!" oh?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Missy Elliot only has about five or six good songs. But the good ones are very, very, very good.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 16:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Smiths/Morrissey: "meat is murder" is a gross oversimplification. What about all those sheep who die in unpredictable farmyard animals? It's okay to eat them, surely?

MBV: the wall of noise isn't noisey enough, and the vocals are too loud.

Missy Elliott and Timbaland: Timbaland is named after some stupid kind of trendy for five minutes five years ago footwear and, I'm guessing here, Missy wouldn't give anyone her last rolo.

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 12 March 2003 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

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