See david Toop gig tomorrow

here's the link:

http://www.web-malls.net/sound323/page1.html

David Toop? You mean that boring git who writes for Wire and who, in the last issue said he was bored of music and bored of listening to it - pity he's not bored of writing about it or else he wouldn't have a roof over his head.

that 'boring git' wrote a tremendous review of the John Tilbury playing morton feldman (4Cd set). that's one of my faves.

b-but they are doing stuff w/stones!!! it might be good.

he hasn't written for the wire in quite a while (and he also said he was scaling back on the writing).

I don't think he said he was 'bored' just that he didn't want to listen to it, didn't want to have it playing while he did other things.

I don't have the interview w/ me but i'll check.

are you a nick hornby fan?

any 'git' who so offhandedly calls David Toop 'boring' is evidently, glaringly clueless

I'll ignore the condescension which, in itself is "evidently, glaringly clueless". I am perfectly placed to call David Toop boring if I want as I've been reading his stuff for years and am perfectly capable of recognising a windbag when I see one. A Nick Hornby fan? You can do better than that surely? I hope the music's good enough for you to "want to listen" to it, I assume Mr. Toop will be expecting you to make more effort to listen to his music than he does to listen to other people's.

do not feed the tooptroll.

I like his writing and for the most part, it has never bored me (he always builds up a good arg and that's all i can expect of a writer).

That comment wasn't abt someone who was jaded or anything. I didn't find it offensive. Lets face it, the guy has been listening to all sorts of stuff for, what, 40 yrs. why isn't it OK to take a break for a bit?

I never heard him as a musician so I don't know how it will turn out.

ha! just fed the guy. oh well.

"perfectly placed to call (insert artist here), I've been reading his stuff for years..."

Wow, circular. A great premise for ANY criticism, indeed: "boring, yes, but I continue to read nonetheless".

AAAAugh, must get to hospital, troll just bit off my hand.

I just come back from this (and I've spent a bucketload on recs so I won't going back for a while). it was good but not blown over but overall I'm glad i went.

Sorry I don't understand the criticism of MY criticism: "boring, yes, but I continue to read nonetheless". What do you suggest, I don't read about music or artists that I am interested in because I don't much like the writer writing about them? Very open-minded, I must say. Anyway, call it the triumph of hope over experience. I actually DON'T find David Toop especially boring, I don't find especially exciting either, I just find it somewhat ironic that he confesses to being fed up with music yet continues to operate in the area of music and, I presume, expects the rest of us to be still be interested in HIS music.

I take it Julio and others read the editorial in the last issue of Wire which, basically, was and apologia for David Toop and the fact that, as one of Wire's leading writers he no longer likes music very much (tho given some of the dross Wire drools over you might consider that an eminently sensible decision). Personally, I found the "if you're not for David Toop, you're for Nick Hornby" tone of said editorial, risibly reductive - I mean, who is Wire's editor these days, Donald Rumsfeld?

Nonetheless, I am prepared to give David Toop his due and admit that it could be construed brave of him to simultaneously shoot himself in the foot and bite the hand that feeds him. So, it was with some interest that I learned of David Toop's brave new direction. What could it be? Plate-spinning? Puppeteering? Opening a self-service sushi restaurant? Noh (sic) to all of those, it would appear to be flutes and stones in Highgate Hill with the obligatory Japanese flute-and-stone maestro - very radical Dave. Still I suppose nobody real needs to listen to Mr. Toop's music - not that anyone did anyway.

Excuse me for not being a web geek, but I have absolutely no idea what "troll" means in this context - but if it brings a little joy into your lives, so be it...

''Personally, I found the "if you're not for David Toop, you're for Nick Hornby" tone of said editorial''

he didn't say this. he was contrasting david and nick's attitude to their records (i don't like rob young actually but you're misreading the tone of the editorial).

''I just find it somewhat ironic that he confesses to being fed up with music yet continues to operate in the area of music and''

I think you're blowing this out of proportion: he's saying his love of music as a 'generalised experience' (on TV, on the radio etc) has 'come to an end'. he still like sound and silence.

He starts by saying that there is too much of it (which is v true) and I think to try and keep up for as long as he has (and he has written abt such a wide range of stuff really) I don't think you can pour scorn on him for not listening to the latest batch of stuff.

I didn't know what 'troll' was until i came here but its basically being unreasonable and just trying to get a reaction and starting flame wars and crap.

(you're not doing that and i was joking though i wasn't the troll watcher)

'S okay Julio