House music albums/tracks that changed what you taught House music was/could be capable of...

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Not the anthems (Strings of Life), regardless of how massive /epochal they may be.

I want to know what the underground headz hold much affection for. Which albums have astounded you in their breadth, in what the producers mange to acheive.

And its House music I'm talking about; Stay within reasonable boundaries.

Mine:

Dubnobasswithmyheadman - Underworld
Vocal City - Luomo
Basic Blaze - Blaze
Pansoul: Motorbass

Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 23:54 (twenty-three years ago)

er, the title should be:

House music albums/tracks that changed what you thought House music was/could be capable of...

Nik (Nik), Saturday, 15 March 2003 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

I guess Everything, Everything by Underworld, because being younger I bought it first. I think it taught me basically that house really can be as sprawling as the real pluggers would have you believe, I mean it really feels like a complete work, with every emotion just grafted onto it, and Rez/Cowgirl towards the end never fails to give me goosebumps, there's something about the way it walks the line between misery and euphoria so vividly, I guess lots of house does this but that was the CD that made it clear to me this was why I was enjoying the tracks I enjoy so much, that titerope, the gap between success and failure, between being happy and miserable, and between actually falling off the rails and winging it. (at least in whatever sense, insignificant in the general scheme of things, my life has rails)


Trackwise I guess I'd say something like So Much Love To Give or Take Me With You by Cosmos were the first records to actually show me that beyond changing my social life by virtue of gaining my interest, house (and music itself) could actually positively change the way I was and the way I felt, perhaps it's a sham and I know that music is still just music, but I do have some faith in the notion that these tracks didn't coincidentally come along as I was going through a transition myself. And it's not as though I wasn't happy before them or anything, far from it, but I never believed the old "this song changed my life" shit until then really. Now I can see it to some degree.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:04 (twenty-three years ago)

("So Much Love To Give" is amazing, Ro.)

Cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Theo Parrish. Especially his Jill Scott remix, but everything he's done has impressed me.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:11 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, and

Fish n' LuvConfusion - Chris Gray
Metaphor - Kenny Larkin
Computer World - Kraftwerk

and the trick I most wish to see repeated is what Photek and Robert Owens pulled off with "Mine to Give". And the new Luomo too.

I agree with you Ronan, about the mood enhancing powers of House. Although other music gets me excited (usually its power pop or disco, which build up towards an impressive ending/power chorus/breakdown, usually with lots of strings, although occasionally grimey hiphop and v.occasionally soul) I rarely gain the same euphoria simply by listening with headphones that I get with house and some shades of techno.

Not even idm,electronica does it. I love all the other stuff v.v. much, but what they about "The Power of House Music" must be true.

Even with disco-punk, DFA thig, its the houseyness - the groove - that makes me excited.

Nik (Nik), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Not even idm,electronica does it. I love all the other stuff v.v. much, but what they say about "The Power of House Music" must be true.

Even with this disco-punk, DFA thing, its the houseyness - the groove - that makes me excited.

Nik (Nik), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

its interesting that you're so convinced of Underworld as house Ronan. i'm not gonna argue that at all, tho i would say i dont think they were considered as such in the past. its probably pickiness to even mention it, or that i just thought of them as something beyond the genres of house and techno anyway, or at least closer to the techno side...but its pretty irrelevant really and i only mention it because Nik is demanding we be strict in this thread ;) it seems like within 'reasonable boundaries' anyway

i'm not sure this counts but i hadnt kept tabs on Felix tha Housekatt for a while and when 'Kittenz And Thee Glitz' came out i found it something of a revelation, that this guy had made a record that wore a broader range of influences on its sleeve than anything else tied to house music since Daft Punk's debut. but it goes beyond that really. first time i heard 'Silver Screen Shower Scene' was on the radio - pretty mainstream radio too (Kiss or XFM, can't remember which) and it reminded me of the time i first heard Armand's 'Professional Widow' rework where i was like "what the hell is that? that is something else" because of the sounds and the structure of the track and everything about it was surreal (tori amos in a club etc.). as soon as i heard 'SSSS' i felt like it was heralding something and its message seemed to be 'turn around and walk backwards' thus fixating on the past but still moving forward - basically a new take on an old method. but 'SSSS' and the recent Felix stuff is great because it synergizes the vibes of punk, disco, electro, techno, house, funk and even jazz and soul (the vocals on the likes of 'Pray For A Star' and 'Runaway Lover') especially to present a work that holds Prince, Kraftwerk, Parliament, Jean Michel Jarre and Derrick May in equal importance. it might not even be as great an album as it SHOULD be in that respect, but what it suggests is enough.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:24 (twenty-three years ago)

what Photek and Robert Owens pulled off with "Mine to Give".

possibly the finest straight-up house track of the last 5/6 years

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I really need to get some Moody Man and Theo Parrish.

Nik (Nik), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:25 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, and DJ Q's 'We Are One' - i thought the Scottish poet at the start of that track was pretty cool, a bit trite maybe but you could hear that and just feel and believe what he was saying because the sounds backing it up were incredible, liquidised and ethereal. then the filter disco loop comes in...

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Vocal City - Luomo
Basic Blaze - Blaze
Pansoul: Motorbass

time for me to hear these albums i think...

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah I guess Underworld are as house as you make them, it's tough to classify the big acts anyway. I too was quite taken aback with Felix Da Housecat's album, it's nice to see you were steve, I thought I was the only one who rated it above Discovery that year. I love Discovery but Kittenz really is something else to me, I remember walking outside with my headphones on and the sounds just felt so different to anything else, I guess cos I'd missed the original 80s thing, Silver Screen yeah, it just blew me away.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:30 (twenty-three years ago)

'Discovery' over-rated as fuck in my book! i do like it tho ;)

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:41 (twenty-three years ago)

and the mad thing about 'silver screen...' is its a phenomenal track as an experience for me...and then...then it gets remixed by Jacques Lu Cont...and its even better. i just dont know how that works really, i dunno maybe i'm just thinking about the Thin White Duke mix played at the same time as 'Take Me With You' and its making it sound greater than the sum of its true parts - still classic tho.

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 00:44 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow. I bought Basic Blaze thinking it would be this mindblowing piece of art from all the accolades its received. Just sounded like some cheesy, wannabe Stevie Wonder to me. But that's probably 'cause I like my house tracky and daubed with a little darkness. Can't really go for the "uplifting" stuff -- the Body & Soul thing. yuck.

Anyway - the one that still blows my mind is:

Introduction - Mr. Fingers

Jay Vee (Manon_70), Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Anything by Theo Parrish or Moodymann (big surprise here). Most of the stuff by Gemini. Seven Grand Housing Authority's "Love's Got Me High."

Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:29 (twenty-three years ago)

theo parrish, moodymann, and "so much love to give" overrated as fuck

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Schatrax 'Vol. 1'
Maurice Fulton 'Presents Boof!'
Doctor Rockit 'Music of Sound' and 'Indoor Fireworks'
I:Cube 'Picnic Attack'

and must i OPO from the godlike Mr. Fingers?

summerslastsound, Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:40 (twenty-three years ago)

herbert's around the house is the best house "album" ever, comfy as an old sneaker and less smelly.

runner up is remedy, although it lags in the second half.

fuck it if these ain't "underground" enough, which usually is just a code word for "tasteful" or "insipid" or "go nowhere."

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Apart from "Mingus In My Pocket" track, I didn't really for the I-Cube album.

I think I only ever (knowingly) heard one 12" by Theo Parrish and Moody Man each.. but really jess, they're overrated?

I didn't expect to dig the Blaze album so much, but it really is quite special if you're prepared to open up to the whole vocal/soul thing, its quite rewarding. The production is amazing, esp. on "Wishing You Were Here" and "Another Dae".

Oh yeah, Herbert definitely changed the rules of the House game.

Nik (Nik), Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:48 (twenty-three years ago)

well, you'd think they're the second coming from everyone suddenly jumping on their dicks. what they do, they do very well, but they can also bore the living hell out of me in the right mood. i prefer parrish in the main - he's got a broader range (check "summer is finally here" [a tribute/homage to a russell's "let's go swimming"?] and anything off his "first floor" alb for contrast...some of his 12"s can get even tech-ier and abstrakkt than the germans) and he's less smarmily "funky." the first moodymann album ("a silent introduction") is okay...kinda drifts into wispy somnambulist territory too often for me, and the textures rub against themselves in non-pleasing ways (straight up chic-disco with abstract technoid-house, etc.) (i'm in the minority, but i actually prefer the new moodymann album "silence in the secret garden"...it's got a fracture piano-jazz feel, like if monk went house.) speaking of monk, that's my other prob with moodymann: his omnipresent, almost oppressive devotion to "the funk", reclaiming house music as a "lost black art", and the subtext that he's a neglected genius (all this "silence" stuff.) it's as much of a turn off as the detroit purist guys. i prefer the kompakt-style stuff, even though it's often indistinguishable to the naked ear, but maybe that just means i'm not down with the cause. (i prefer herbert becuz he's playing with "song" more formally and explicitly, and that's where my head is at these days.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 02:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Like Herbert isn't overrated... ;o)

Ben Williams, Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

heh, oh he's totally overrated and increasingly by the worst sort of people. and i really didn't think his last album was anything special, but everyone creamed over it. did the re-release of around the house get any press at all? (it sure took them a long enough time to re-release it.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno... don't think so, particularly. anyway, for me it's too subdued to be "best ever"... i get a little bored in the last third.

also, herbert's belief that making music out of discarded mcdonald's packaging constitutes any kind of revolutionary act no less misguided than moodymann etc (mind you, that jill scott remix bores me, i don't get it...love summertime is here tho)

i don't think there are all that many great house albums, at least if you want to be at all rigorous (you may wish to substitute anal here) about the definition... underworld are not house in any way, shape or form to my mind... but the obvious one that noone has mentioned yet is Fingers Inc, Another Side

so, i nominate a 12", Altered States by Ron Trent, partly cos nobody ever seems to talk about it, but also may be my all time favorite house track, 13 minutes of raw chicago beats and one soaring synth riff

Ben Williams, Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:30 (twenty-three years ago)

my favorite "house" album is probably the first lfo record, really...it's not an album medium

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:37 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, but if its not a album medium, why do all these producers make albums? To expand on their ideas... that's what I'm getting at; tracks or albums that represent a kinda gear change for house.

LFO's first album is a perfect example.

Dubnobasswithmyheadman isn't really hosue, but all the early nineties proghouse (Guerilla records, etc) got into it and fed of what it did with vocal/guitar/indie aethestic/bollox

Altered States rules!

Nik (Nik), Sunday, 16 March 2003 04:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Yep Altered States = godhead.

Green Velvet's 'Flash'...ah well, both albums too.

I like Herbert, a lot, but I find Around The House, well, not very good.

Omar (Omar), Sunday, 16 March 2003 11:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i found baby fords 'ford trax' for 50p 2nd hand without having heard of him previously. that kinda changed how i thaught about house, at the time the only 'house' album i owned was dubnobass(i never considered this house tho i just always think of that euphoria shit).. and to be honest that never really did it for me, and i still dont really get underworld apart from one or two tracks, i sold dubnobass and that many fish album time ago. and a stuff like lfo and some warp, oh and this album on profile i picked up that has no sleeve so i dont know what it is, but its good.

jebus, Sunday, 16 March 2003 11:49 (twenty-three years ago)

i wouldve mentioned Basement Jaxx, esp. as their early Atlantic Jaxx stuff is still relatively obscure and 'Fly Life' blew my head off when i first heard it, with and without Glamma Kid...'Be Free' from their first EP is VERY special, as is 'City People' from urban Haze EP - you have to hear all that stuff if you're a fan of the albums

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 12:18 (twenty-three years ago)

808 State's '90' album is possibly under-appreciated. 'Sunrise' is a remarkable 'ambient house' track - surreal and paranoid, i guess they were taking their cue from the likes of Larry Heard and other American producers but i hadnt heard anything like it

stevem (blueski), Sunday, 16 March 2003 12:22 (twenty-three years ago)

this is gonna get me kicked off any dance music discussion thread forever, but some of those early 90s Crystal Waters tracks were the first time I heard anyone try to tell a lyrical 'story' in a house music context, which I thought interesting

Neudonym, Sunday, 16 March 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

fuck, there's hundreds but special/(arbitrary) mentions to 'tonite' by those guys, 'alone' by don carlos, 'i'm in love' by sha-lor, 'illusion' by r-tyme and 'land of confusion' by the late, great armando.

michael wells (michael w.), Sunday, 16 March 2003 14:52 (twenty-three years ago)

listening to a mix of tracky chicago house on power 92(#1 in the STREETZ) getting lost going into oakpark, IL from milwaukee to play a show at a church for 30 people

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Sunday, 16 March 2003 20:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I agree with Jess re: "So Much Love To Give" - I don't mind insane repetition but I don't actually think the groove or the hook are particularly worth repeating ad nauseum. I suspect Theo Parrish/Moodyman are overrated but that may just be my kneejerk reaction for stuff I haven't heard as much as I should have. I got that Norma Jean Bell album because Andy K and others all loved it and couldn't really work out what the hype was about - though I heard a mix of "The Baddest Bitch" while I was out one night that worked a treat.

Can't really pick albums so much but these spring to mind as having a pronounced expansive/emotive effect on me the first time I heard them:

- "The Sky Is Not Crying" from that Playgroup mix-album
- The Modernist - "Abi '81"
- Basement Jaxx - "Yo Yo"
- Daft Punk - "Digital Love"
- Herbert's remix of Motorbass's "Ezio"
- Par-T-One's "I'm So Crazy"
- Isolee generally (especially live)
- Jeff Bennett's "Last Breath"

Older stuff it's less easy to pinpoint because I came to it retrospectively, but yeah definitely LFO's first album, 808 State's "Ancodia". "Altered States" is certified brilliance.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 17 March 2003 02:30 (twenty-three years ago)

i was thinking about this today and i came up with a list of 10-15 tracks which floored me at first listen, changed the game at least for that instant (and usually much longer):

m mayer - "amanda" & closer musik - "one, two, three (no gravity)"(mostly because i had never associated the cologne/berlin axis with anything this "pop" before.)

plastikman - consumed (okay, not house per se...or at all, really. but this was the first time i had ever been taken with any "dance" music so minimal. in fact, i grew to realize i hated this album, but it was important as a test/gateway drug.)

basement jaxx - "red alert" (part of a 98-99 surge along with speed garage/2-step which reconnected my metal/hip-hop/jungle ass with mama disco...the combination of the obscenely purple slap bass sound and the almost wincing synth tones.)

lfo - frequencies (linking house with electro as well as IDM, if only retroactively. see also:)

herbert - around the house (a record which stradles the house/IDM line like it weren't nothin but a thang. makes ample use of the multiple metaphors lurking in the word "house" before he got all clever clever with the matmos style sampling techniques.)

luomo - vocalcity (especially the moments where it cracks and the basic channel squiggles and chain reaction vapors ooze out before the beat comes back to spackle over the openings.)

daft punk - "digital love" (just because it's the only track i've heard which has attempted to expand the filter/disco/cut-up format in any way, as well as presenting a vision of house inclusive enough to incorporate van halen. oh, and it's my favorite song of the decade so far.)

isolee - "beau mot plague" (which is what all that godawful afro-brazillian house should really sound like.)

masters at work - "deep inside (dub)" (a long standing fave which strikes me as something of a mini-apex of a certain sound.)

mr. fingers - "can u feel it?" (just beautiful, the laughing stock of house in 5-6 minutes.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 March 2003 03:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Altered States - Ron Trent (orig. and Carl Craig rmx)
Throw - Paperclip People
R-Theme - R-Tyme
Positive Education - Slam
Acid Trax - Phuture
Wet Dream - Cajmere feat. Derrick Carter
My Beat and Lovelee Dae - Blaze
Going Round - Herbert
Aftermath (LFO rmx) - Nightmares on Wax
Pacific - 808 State
Pullover - Speedy J
The Whistle Song - Frankie Knuckles
My Definition of House - DJ Hell
No Way Back - Adonis
Voice - Greater Than One
I'll Be Your Friend - Robert Owens
Work That Motherfucker - Steve Pointdexter
In the Dark We Live - Aphrohead

and countless other greats I know I'm forgetting...

notes:
These tracks didn't really change what I thought house could be capable of, but they all stand out in my memory for one reason or another.

disco stu (disco stu), Monday, 17 March 2003 03:25 (twenty-three years ago)

wally jump jnr and the criminal element orchestra:
1. "Turn me loose", for the way the extended mix seems to invert everything and then throws the first house "diva wail" on top.
2. "Put the needle on the record", harder and less comic book than the coldcuts of the time.

gaz (gaz), Monday, 17 March 2003 03:58 (twenty-three years ago)

six years pass...

I'm going to re-read this later, but having started this thread 6 years ago I reckon its due for a bump.

Fill in the gaps from 2003 - 2009.

FWIW, I'm saying DJ Sprinkles for its politcial subtext and overt beauty, and Round Two "New Day" because it is so perfect (and I've only just heard it)

Tannenbaum Schmidt, Sunday, 28 June 2009 04:34 (sixteen years ago)

Herbert "Leave Me Now" because I still hear new things in it after so many years. I *just* noticed the incredibly quiet guitar part that's in one of the breakdowns. Plus, that melody with those lyrics perfectly nails the Mobius strip he's so good at building where everyday stuff becomes heartbreaking. Just a perfect house track.

Neotropical pygmy squirrel, Sunday, 28 June 2009 05:48 (sixteen years ago)

I think Reggie Dokes is the guy everyone will be ripping off in like 5-6 years when people figure out how to make tracks in his style.

MM/Theo disses in light of what was being talked about in this thread are pretty hilarious.

pipecock, Sunday, 28 June 2009 14:40 (sixteen years ago)

My escape from the cave of danceaphobia

Akufen - My Way (Dude is why I started listening to house, specifically after hearing a selection of New Process, never knowing that dance music could sound like that)

Luomo - Tessio (Realizing that I could really love even the unabashedly housey sound, which I thought was generally reserved for gay men and people with regrettable hair styles)

I guess Revolution 909 would be in there too.

EDB, Sunday, 28 June 2009 15:12 (sixteen years ago)

Larry Heard feat Mr White - "The Sun Cant Compare"

Not for any giant leap but was revelatory hearing it played by electrohouse/bloghouse DJs two years ago when I'd been ignoring house for a while, and all the more delicious for being given a taste of class again.

Tannenbaum Schmidt, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:04 (sixteen years ago)

Also, Matthew Dear - Dog Days

P.S. I'm sorry if I was born in 1988.

EDB, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:53 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fDXOvAN7g

this untitled song.

i think it's by joshua, but i guess it could actually be a collab between joshua, ron trent, chez damier, and abacus, as the record suggests. it's good enough to include everybody.

elan, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:57 (sixteen years ago)

Love Inc.: "R.E.S.P.E.C.T."
Paperclip People: "Throw"

Back in 1994, these two tunes taught me that it's not the melody that really matters, it's the sound and rhythm, the driving pulse. That was a big change as before that I'd mostly been listening to melodic trance and dance music. Those two are still among my top 10 house tunes.

Tuomas, Sunday, 28 June 2009 21:02 (sixteen years ago)

Also, Matthew Dear - Dog Days

P.S. I'm sorry if I was born in 1988.

― EDB, Sunday, 28 June 2009 20:53 (Yesterday)

Totally, especially the way its pops, fizzes and gurgles

Tannenbaum Schmidt, Monday, 29 June 2009 22:11 (sixteen years ago)


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