Taking Sides: INXS vs Midnight Oil vs The Church

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One had the fame, money and chicks,
One had the respect of the Aborigine and Lefties everywhere,
One had the largest supply of ether-powered amps in the biz.

But which one would triumph in a no-holds barred battle of the bands on the flat wasteland of the Aussie Outback?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 20 March 2003 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Who can it be, now?

dave q, Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave is 100% correct (sorry Church fans).

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Uuuuuhhhhh....wot about AC/DC, the Birthday Party, Hoodoo Gurus, the Saints and Hunters & Collectors??

Oh alright....

Well, of these three, the Church really only managed one great track ("Under the Milky Way"), so not them, obviously. INXS and Midnight Oil are so different it seems. The `Oils started off with a bit more grit, it seems, but went all U2 on us later on, despite outstanding tracks like "Best of Both Worlds". INXS -- though quite poncey -- had a clutch of really strong singles. Listen Like Thieves remains a great record as well. I'm going with them.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:28 (twenty-three years ago)

My choice is Crowded House.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, they were from New Zealand, remember.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, you weed, the Church released several absolutely fabulous albums, and though "Under the Milky Way" is indeed a grebt track, almost any song on Heyday pisses all over it, single or no. There are even a lot of songs on Starfish that top it, for that matter.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:44 (twenty-three years ago)

What, like "Reptile"? I fink not.

I'm not knocking them (necessarily), but they just don't compete with the other two (Inxs & Midnight Oil). They're more in league with second tier Aussie bands, not first tier.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, they were from New Zealand, remember.

Not entirely. Just certain key members....

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

You know I love you, but I worry about you sometimes, with statements like that. =)

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Londoners - did you know the Backpacker's on York Way is getting its license revoked?

dave q, Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, Neil Finn (principle songwriter) was from NZ, at least.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 20 March 2003 15:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Dave is 100% correct (sorry Church fans).

GRRR.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 March 2003 16:16 (twenty-three years ago)

(haha Ned how did you know I was talking to you?)

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 March 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

BECAUSE I KNOW. ;-) But I loved them there Men at Work people when growing up, wouldn't mind the best-of comp. You could, however, have also been talking to Chris Barrus or Matt Maxwell or Stripey or...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Of the listed choices The Church have my unfettered support (need i only cite the eminently classic The Blurred Crusade). INXS were a bunch of lite-weight panty-wastes, and Midnight Oil never successfully transferred any that (pre-grunge) pissy anger into their music (but that twin guitar attack sure produced some sweet jam-a-ramas).

...If only Hoodoo Gurus wouldn't have puked-out after those first two INCREDIBLE albums.

christoff (christoff), Thursday, 20 March 2003 16:36 (twenty-three years ago)

inxs has not aged well--their singles sound soooo dated today. midnight oil's 'earth and sun and moon' was damn underrated (saw their saturday night live performance the other day the passion was undeniable). but my vote goes to the Church. hear hear on 'the blurred crusade' and i'll see you a 'remote luxury' and shadow cabinet. their stuff is still timeless and doesn't sound like it's been produced through a glossy MTV-friendly meat grinder (ahem, 'kick')

hndinglove, Thursday, 20 March 2003 22:50 (twenty-three years ago)

INXS bores. Midnight Oil creeps me out with the tall balding guy. The Church, then for producing the Wonderwall of the 80s with 'Under The Milky Way'.

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 22:54 (twenty-three years ago)

I'll take The Church. Remote Luxury is a lovely album.

Sean (Sean), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The lyrics of a Church album read like a Will Self novel though. Pointed deducted for that!

S Samson, Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:01 (twenty-three years ago)

the Church had frequently rubbish lyrics but fantastic tunes. INXS had Michael Hutchence (altho' Shabooh Shoobah is not bad). Midnight Oil didn't release anything good after 1986. Kilbey's mob win.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:05 (twenty-three years ago)

no one is winning. the church are just losing more slowly than the other two.

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:09 (twenty-three years ago)

If they were to actually fite in a ring its Midnight Oil, but The Church were far far better band.

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Church solo projects = almost completely rubbish

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:12 (twenty-three years ago)

If they were to actually fite in a ring its Midnight Oil
only if hair pulling and hitting guys with glasses is allowed

gaz (gaz), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

The Church wins just by surviving and mutating into a space rock band these days. But I'm also one of the few mutants who actually prefer the later albums to Starfish.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Indeed, Heyday crushes most of Starfish and Priest = Aura is every bit as bleak and splattered as your favorite Cure album.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw them on the Heyday tour btw. Less subtle and more rawk than the record would have made me guess.

Sean (Sean), Friday, 21 March 2003 00:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I've listened to the Avalanches album far more than anything by any of these bands. Men at Work would be number 2...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 21 March 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Just the fact that INXS were going to use Terence Trent D'Arby post-MH should be enough to get them removed from the discussion. And that's not a TTD knock..."Introducing The Hardline" makes up for all the dross afterwards.

Erick H (Erick H), Friday, 21 March 2003 02:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Priest = Aura is every bit as bleak and splattered as your favorite Cure album.
You speak as if this were a Bad Thing.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 21 March 2003 02:43 (twenty-three years ago)

Michael Hutchence was a sex god.

maria b (maria b), Friday, 21 March 2003 02:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Ahem. INXS singlehandedly contributed to more guys getting laid in the 80s than either of the other two bands. You rockist cocks might disagree with my reasoning but it doesn't really matter. The indomitable bass playing of Gary Garry Beers and the magical Farriss brothers' rhythm section lays complete and utter books-o'-hooks waste to any and all competitors in this arena. While MO does have one ridiculously catchy tune that sticks in my head from time to time, it has nothing to compare with the innumerable layered lines of INXS' glory days. Let's talk arranging. Let's talk about guys who by virtue of method should have gone to Hell but DIDN'T because they were responsible for so much brilliant music (and guys getting laid). Let's talk about the one band out of these three that you could actually LISTEN TO in public and not get made fun of - especially today.

The fact that INXS doesn't have a comprehensive box set is a stain on Rhino's reputation.

Millar (Millar), Friday, 21 March 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Gary Garry Beers

hehehe.. that guy's name always makes me laugh

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

The fact that INXS doesn't have a comprehensive box set is a stain on Rhino's reputation.

What do you call this, then?

http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=74262

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 21 March 2003 03:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Priest = Aura is every bit as bleak and splattered as your favorite Cure album.
You speak as if this were a Bad Thing.

Hell no. It's an incredibly good thing (and an incredibly good album)

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 21 March 2003 09:55 (twenty-three years ago)

To INXS' credit, I would have to at least give them at least a small "c" classic just for "Don't Change" alone. Terrific song.

Chris Barrus (xibalba), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)

the church because they managed to stay interesting after their wave of success in the late 80s. jim's spot-on about midnight oil - it was curtains after they threw a guitar out and replaced it with a keyboard. even their live shows suffered. that was always going to hurt for a band with as fearsome a live reputation as they had. as for inxs, bah...

cute story from a previous life : i once worked on a music mag in sydney that had a classifieds section and the local midnight oil tribute band placed an ad in one issue when they were on the lookout for a singer. one of the requirements was "must be bald or willing to become so."

angelo (angelo), Friday, 21 March 2003 10:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Gotta go with the Church. Especially love the Starfish, Gold Afternoon, Priest trilogy.

William R Henderson (Cabin Essence), Saturday, 22 March 2003 02:41 (twenty-three years ago)

australian popular music may be the worst in the world, battling it out with canada. maybe they have a great underground but everything exported to the US in great quantity is nonsense.

keith (keithmcl), Saturday, 22 March 2003 05:16 (twenty-three years ago)

same with the shit you send us.

gaz (gaz), Saturday, 22 March 2003 07:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Something about Gold Afternoon Fix will always remind me of role-playing games, in a usually-great way. I think it might be Marty Wilson-Piper's hoop earrings and half-elf haircut. I listened to this a few weeks ago and was surprised to still really enjoy it, even the hilariously-overreaching sci-fi stuff on "Terra Nova Cain" -- it actually really works when Kilbey's lyrics get ridiculous, because delivered in his voice they're usually more lovably-funny than uninteresting. Yeah, I'll show you how the ancients traveled: they used to call this a Chevy! He sounds like he really thinks that's a brilliant line!

A couple years ago I finally got a new copy of Starfish, having lost whatever tape-dub I was listening to when I was 15 or whatever, and I excitedly brought it home and cued it up for my girlfriend -- "this album was so great, you're seriously going to love it" -- and then as it played she gave me these questioning looks and I listened again and had to admit that it didn't sound so great anymore. To be honest, I never liked "Under the Milky Way" all that much: it's lovely until the band comes in, at which point something goes weirdly wrong with the rhythm. I seemed to remember "Hotel Womb" and "Reptile" seeming sort of compelling -- I used to play the intro to "Reptile" on guitar all the time -- but when I got that last copy it was actually sort of embarrassing to skip through while my girlfriend looked confused, sort of "hahaha okay that one doesn't sound so good anymore but I swear there's some good stuff on here." I'll have to listen again tonight.

INXS were terrific but occasionally a bit much with the bombast (oddly enough they sort of rocked harder than most bands that are considered to "rock") and I'm not entirely certain about the albums as wholes. I would kill for a connection that would allow me to snag a copy of "Never Tear Us Apart" right now. Midnight Oil = I just don't know: "Blue Sky Mining" hell yes but also a lot of stuff that seems ... well, you know those commercials where they get someone to do a half-recreation of some popular song they don't feel like paying for the rights to use? A lot of Midnight Oil always sounded to me like Midnight Oil were doing that to Midnight Oil, if you know what I mean.

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 22 March 2003 07:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha, I forgot the absolute killer from "Terra Nova Cain" -- "She put her foot down on the oscillation pedal, she was a [pause] transdimensional speeder." Dimensional oscillation! Spectro-transmogrification! Yes Steve we are totally in the future now!

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 22 March 2003 07:49 (twenty-three years ago)

THE CHURCH

Come on, this is even a contest? The Church piss on INXS and Midnight Oil. From a GREAT HEIGHT. OK, I have a total soft spot for their paisley underground garage rock beginnings (Of Skins And Heart!) but also for their textural beauty. Steve's psychedelic gobbledegook lyrics are all part of the appeal! And the Rickenbackers! Won't someone think of the Rickenbackers! They made some of the Worst! Videos! Ever! Steve Kilbey floating in lotus position through a cartoon Church! Marty Willson-Piper all dressed up in armour unable to hold a sword straight! AND THE SHIRTS!!!! OH MY GOD STEVE KILBEY'S COLLECTION OF AMAZING PSYCHEDELIC PAISLEY SHIRTS!!!!! Come on, look at Heyday! OK, don't actually listen to it, it's the worst album they ever made (the horns, who thought the horns were a good idea?) but it's got the BEST ALBUM COVER EVER!!!

Sorry, I get excited. I love The Church. Favourite album... erm, got to be predictable and say Seance. Remote Luxury and Blurred Crusade also incredible.

My housemate back in NYC had all kinds of crazy Church stories. You just don't want to know...

kate (suzy), Saturday, 22 March 2003 09:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex in NYC made the obvious point, but it deserves to be seconded: what about AC/DC? I can't think of any serious contenders for the crown of Australia's most important musical export.

o. nate (onate), Saturday, 22 March 2003 15:36 (twenty-three years ago)

thankyou gaz for saying what i would have less eloquently said. keith i so often agree with you but that statement was ludicrous.

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Saturday, 22 March 2003 23:27 (twenty-three years ago)

Weird thing: The Church's Hologram of Baal was my favourite album from '98, but i have shied away from buying everything they've done since then. It's like I instinctively know that, either because of them or because of me, I wouldn't like it as much, and the magic of my undying love for that album (and, to an ever-so-slightly lesser extent, Priest=Aura) would be broken.

The Church hands down, obv.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 24 March 2003 00:07 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...
PSEUDO ECHO OMGWTF!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

INXS

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

If they were to actually fite in a ring its Midnight Oil

only if hair pulling and hitting guys with glasses is allowed

That's a pretty cheap and totally false refutation. I mean come on, even with hair Peter alone could fuck up all of INXS and the Church in a brawl. He's more able to channel hostility than any of the rest of them, and he's fucking huge.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I've been reduced to making pseudo-snarky comments on this thread instead of really answering the question because I know I'll get pummelled when I turn out to be the only one who take the side of Midnight Oil, and mostly for the stuff they did with two guitars which sounds great. The Church would be a very close second though (and mostly for what Marty did with one guitar). INXS would be a distant third.

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

serious answer here = INXS.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

RedGum > Midnight Oil's Red Sails in the Sunset > all of INXS > JoJo Zep and the Falcons > Midnight Oil's other albums > The Church or whoever, because I haven't heard them

This should make it clear
that I don't know anything
re: Australia

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I think we can distill the contest to three key songs:

The Church - Under the Milky Way
Midnight Oil - I Don't Want To Be the One
INXS - Just Keep Walking

and if we had added Hunters and Collectors on there too, it would surely be:

Hunters and Collectors - Judas Sheep


I think, on this basis, INXS emerge as the winner by the skin of their teeth.

thee music mole, Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the church, because they still put on a great show. and inxs loses anyways cause of their new reality show involving the search for a new singer

kephm, Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i still like that 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1 album by midnight oil. that was on my college radio hit-parade in 1982. but then so was inxs. i liked the drums and the guitars (acoustic & electric) on the 10 to 1 album. i always wondered whether their even earlier stuff was good in that same vein, but i was always too chicken to buy any. and hey the first hunters & collectors came out in 1982 too, didn't it? i love that album. more than the 2nd and 3rd albums. their conny plank years. but i did enjoy their 4th album! and the church i can live without. even whatever album they made in 1982.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 15 January 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

hey what about BIG PIG? I have "Bonk" and I love it. that singer was hottttttt

Haibun (Begs2Differ), Saturday, 15 January 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

THE ANSWER IS THE CHURCH THE CHURCH THE CHURCH SOMEONE PLEASE LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE I TEAR ALL MY HAIR OUT

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 15 January 2005 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the church, because they still put on a great show.

Indeed (says the guy who's seen them now three times in the last four years or so). The eight million side projects make me love them even more!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 15 January 2005 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

hey what about BIG PIG? I have "Bonk" and I love it. that singer was hottttttt
-- Haibun

Have you ever seen publicity shots of this band Haibun? They dressed in matching butchers aprons.

moley, Sunday, 16 January 2005 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Nick Launay produce that Big Pig record?

martin m. (mushrush), Sunday, 16 January 2005 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I've gone through phases of listening to all three of these bands. The one I used to feel the most strongly about was Midnight Oil - especially Red Sails on the Sunset and Diesel and Dust, but I also liked 10...1 and Blue Sky Mining. I used to like Starfish pretty well, but I could never really get into Gold Afternoon Fix that much. I used to listen to Listen Like Thieves and The Swing fairly often too. I think that of all these bands, the one I'd be most likely to want to hear again at this point would probably be INXS, though at one time, Midnight Oil would have taken it easily.

o. nate (onate), Sunday, 16 January 2005 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Saw the Church last...February, I think. One of the best concerts I've ever seen. I'd always liked that band, but now I love them.

I have little love (or like) for Midnight Oil or INX.

babyalive (babyalive), Sunday, 16 January 2005 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)


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