The irrelevance of the new SOAD video

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BOOM!! It's cheesy!

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 03:51 (twenty-three years ago)

"go! have a stream of consciousness - free associate! RIFF!"

― your null fame (yournullfame), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 05:44 (twenty-three years ago)

"Directed by Michael Moore" = Kiss of death

― Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 07:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheesy? Maybe. Does it have its heart in the right place? Definitely. It's certainly a wake-up call to your average 15-year old suburbanite asshole, cheerily slurping at his double mocha frappucino, wearing the "punk clothes" his mom bought him with the family AMEX, and eagerly awaiting the newest Korn video: there are people dying out there, painfully (no matter what FOX News tells you) and they're dying to support the bloated materialism of your country. But why should we care about any of this? They're just Arabs. Go, go, Team USA!

― justin s., Tuesday, 25 March 2003 07:31 (twenty-three years ago)

THE MEDIA IS LYING TO YOU, DON'T BELEIVE THE HYPE, YOU'RE ALL JUST SUBURBANITE SHEEP WHO DRINK STARBUCKS AND ALSO CLICHE CLICHE CLICHE OH MAN THE LYRICS TO OK COMPUTER ARE SO RIGHT, CLICHE CLICHE CLICHE

― David Allen, Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sorry, but I think it's a great video. Easily my favorite thing Michael Moore has ever done (possibly because he DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING). Does pretty well by the energy of the song. I don't expect "cool" people to like it though.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 16:26 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know, I'm pretty "cool," and I thought it was reasonably effective. I could have done without the lame animations of Bush/Bin Laden etc., but the protest footage/statistics were great.

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 17:26 (twenty-three years ago)

god forbid someone directs a video in support of the troops.

― JP Albin (John Paul Albin), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, that would be intrinsically non-cheesy by definition, of course, how could we be so blind?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:52 (twenty-three years ago)

god forbid someone directs a video in support of the troops

I hope you mean this literally & not sarcastically since you know and I know that a music video in support of the troops would be the cheesiest thing of all time

with the possible exception of James Brown's "King Heroin"

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:54 (twenty-three years ago)

(also, if you're really wanting such a music video, I'd guess that keeping an eye on CMT will satisfy & then oversaturate that desire sometime within the next week)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:55 (twenty-three years ago)

I will not hear this King Heroin Hata!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 21:57 (twenty-three years ago)

god forbid someone directs a video in support of the troops.

Haven't you seen that ubiquotous video by 3 Doors Down? It's inescapable.....like a patriot missile.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:07 (twenty-three years ago)

That doesn't count, Alex, nor do any of the countless other counterexamples that refute utterly the ridiculous notion that there's a liberal bias in broadcasting

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw that vid in a commercial spot on network TV (the one Alex refers to, that is).

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 March 2003 22:11 (twenty-three years ago)

David Allen, the depth of your argument floors me. Do you care to support your point beyond just repeating the entirety of what I said and shouting some ridiculous in all-caps, or should I just assume your total idiocy and move on with my life?

― justin s., Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:17 (twenty-three years ago)

Alex, did 3 Doors Down actually create a pro-war video? That wouldn't surprise me.

And I refuse to equate anti-war with anti-troops. As far as I'm concerned, I'm supporting the troops more than anyone who is for the war, because I don't want them to die.

― justin s., Wednesday, 26 March 2003 01:18 (twenty-three years ago)

Justin, you actually said this:

It's certainly a wake-up call to your average 15-year old suburbanite asshole, cheerily slurping at his double mocha frappucino, wearing the "punk clothes" his mom bought him with the family AMEX, and eagerly awaiting the newest Korn video: there are people dying out there, painfully (no matter what FOX News tells you) and they're dying to support the bloated materialism of your country. But why should we care about any of this? They're just Arabs. Go, go, Team USA!

I shouldn't have to debate something so amazingly trite.

― David Allen, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 02:59 (twenty-three years ago)

And I refuse to equate anti-war with anti-troops. As far as I'm concerned, I'm supporting the troops more than anyone who is for the war, because I don't want them to die.

"Supporting the troops" is such a loaded meme -- you support the people who are there, sure, but the word "support" is itself all wrapped up with lots of stuff. "I support the troops" must in some way equal "I support there being troops in the first place," which there wouldn't be unless they were assembled someplace (dispersed soldiers hardly constitute "troops" or do they)...I think this is a very clever bit of language play. "I hope all the troops come home safe & sound" is I think much better than "I support the troops" which just has too many potential complications

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 04:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I saw the last half earlier today, and was actually sort of shocked that MuchMusic would play something that actually had something to say, or at least raised actual issues, in the middle of the afternoon and not like after midnight.
The music sorta turned me off. I'm never gonna like that band. But, yeah, I think it's important that the kind of kid who's all into that music and likes to work out his aggression to heavy-ish music (do they still use music for that???) can see that there's more to this war than pockets of resistance and embedded journalists.

― Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 04:09 (twenty-three years ago)

Easily my favorite thing Michael Moore has ever done (possibly because he DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING).
http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/amdf240491.jpg
"Shame on you nickalicious, shame shame shame!"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 04:56 (twenty-three years ago)

John, I appreciate your close reading. Generally if people here ("here" being a large and surprisingly politically apathetic university on the East Coast) ask me my stance at this point in time, I say, "I'm anti-war but I support our troops", if only to avoid giving off the impression that I disrespect the actual servicemen involved in this action. Far from it: I just happen to despise their Commander-in-Chief. The word "support" does imply a certain level of commisseration that could be equated with support of their _aims_, but given the right kind of qualifiers this sort of misunderstanding can be avoided. This still leaves us in a bind if we're asked to -- as we are from day-to-day -- "support our troops"; for this is said in the sense, more often than not, that we SHOULD rally behind the objectives they are sent out to complete, and blindly listen to the ignorant pundits who sent them off to die in the first place. Issues of semantics such as this one are always tricky to navigate... and this is a time where people should be very clear about their positions, if they can be.

David Allen: I shouldn't have to debate someone with "Hippiekiller" as an email address. Mine isn't "[email protected]", now, is it?

― justin s., Wednesday, 26 March 2003 07:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Heh. That should be "[email protected]". OK... this is definitely a sign that perhaps things are getting a little too heated and ridiculous.

― justin s., Wednesday, 26 March 2003 07:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Cliché, countercliché -- the earth is in the balance.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 08:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Quiet. You'll break the icy mood of tension and antagonism that has fallen upon us like a frost. Where will we be after THAT, I wonder?

Probably... making relevant posts again. Hmph.

― justin s., Wednesday, 26 March 2003 08:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Why does it seem that being creative and being political are exclusive of each other? Examples include the SOAD video that is pretty dull, the mediocre anti-war songs from the likes of the beasties and de la rocha, and the cliched new radiohead album title. Can someone recommend some current music that is both political AND interesting?

also, I don't support our troops. I hope my numerous friends and family members who are serving all die, that'll show those ROTC bullies.

― Todd Everlasting (Todde), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 09:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow. Thats harsh, dude.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 12:29 (twenty-three years ago)

My attention span is so short that I've always overlooked the "destroyer" part of David Allen's email addy and assumed he was a longhair ;)

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 26 March 2003 14:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Your judging my political beleifs on a screen name I made, ironically, like 8 years ago. In the last election, I voted democratic, but consider myself an independent.

― David Allen, Wednesday, 26 March 2003 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

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