The Millenium..Classic or Dud

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never before or never since has there been a group which has been able to match the expert harmonies and vocal perfornces of this band,,,from the assocciation to beach boys this music must live on forever....

DK

Chicag

dave the rave, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Um...okay.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Actually, I heard many good things about them just a short while after Poptones popped out their li'l compilation. Someone I know swears by this 3 CD collection of their stuff - I think it's 3 CDs.

So, what's the dilly?

David Raposa, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

may i quoteth the pinfox - wtf are millennium?

Geoff, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Thank you, Geoff, I'm not alone! So there actually is a group by this name? I thought it was a bizarre reference to the concept.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i'll throw my exquisitely designed new hat into the ignorance ring too. who?

the pinegareth, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, but I'm getting all paranoid, I reckon the poster of this question is Doomintroll. Apologies if wrong.

DG, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

this is incredible, i get to know more about a 60s rock band than anyone else.

ahem, from the liner notes to 'begin': "the millenium was the brainchild of curt boettcher, whose production on the association's 'along comes mary' in 1966 broke new ground in vocal harmony." basically, it's a 60s pop album with lots of tape-edits and tricky electronic experimentation. according to the liner notes, it was the second album to ever be recorded on 16-tracks, and was released in july 1968. i really like it, it sounds like olivia tremor control, only, like, better (and i like otc). very recommended. nice cover art too.

ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, that was my first thought as well DG ... suppose we're going to get para whenever a poptones band comes up.

For those not in the know, the Millennium were the brainchild of sixties singer, songwriter and uber-producer Curt Boettcher, who also worked with The Association and Sagittarius. Boettcher was a friend and rival to Brian Wilson, and he also went in for BIG production sounds, complex harmonies etc. The Millennium's only official alb, 'Again', is a cult psych pop classic, though some people do find the sixties hippy-dippy lyrics/singing a bit hard to take. Poptones have brought out an excellent collection of Millennium rarities and demos, as well as a rather patchy Boettcher outtakes set, but best of all is the Sandy Salisbury rec they've compiled (Salisbury was another member of the Millennium).

Andrew L, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry, Ethan got it right, I got it wrong - the first alb is called 'Begin' - it's the Poptones alb that's called 'Again'.

Andrew L, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

also: the 'association with the beach boys' referred to is the late gary usher, who was an occasional brian wilson songwriting partner. he helped boettcher get a production deal.

(listening right now: 'to claudia on thursday' is as glorious as i remember, 'search' it. the opening prelude before it has this harpsichord over a proto-hiphop beat and then it sort of changes up to sound like mark mothersbaugh, but when the actual song starts, wow. great sense of melody. it's so incredibly-structured. although i won't mention my personal attachment to the lyrics.)

ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dammit, i'm not the only millenium 'expert'! jeez, way to steal my moment, dude.

ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

final note: the ending triad of 'karmic dream sequence #1', 'there is nothing more to say', and 'anthem (begin)' is incredible. god bless this thread for making me pull out the millenium album and listen to it in the middle of the night, really.

ethan, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Just to add my vote to the CLASSIC camp. The Millennium are great, as are Sagittarius and Yellow Balloon. I always think of those three together. Read about them and buy their records at Sundazed. Where's Mike Jones? He could give a far more lucid recommendation than I am able to.

Nick, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Weird synchronicity - went to the Portobello Rough Trade this lunchtime and noticed they had a new 3CD Millennium/Ballroom etc. set with loads of rarities/unreleased tracks etc etc. V. tempting but v. expensive - £35.00 fucking quid!! So I bought Oval, Henry Flynt and Kraftwerk instead...

Andrew L, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Wafer men" classic or dud!?

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, those guys? I don't know, they're just so trendy and overexposed that I'm getting pretty tired of them.

:)

Nitsuh, Friday, 20 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Over here, Nick.

Yes, yes, yes. The Millennium's "Begin" is a mostly magnificent thing - I'm not sure studio-bound harmony-rich psych-chamber pop was ever better than here (though I need someone like Nick D to plug the gaps in my late 60s/early 70s Beach Boys knowledge to be certain). Less fond of The Yellow Balloon and Sagittarius comps on Sundazed ("Begin" is the 1990 Sony re-issue; different listing to the Rev-Ola release, anyone?), but they still have blissful moments.

All these albums (Left Banke and Free Design too, for that matter) belong to Pam, btw - she's the expert in our house. But even she must yield to Harvey Williams (steady...) in London-based discussions of the Boy Boettcher.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 25 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...
ethan has never been more right than on this thread.

dleone (dleone), Friday, 5 September 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

The thing that strikes me as funny is that I know for a fact that Joey Stec started this thread. Ha.

False Name, Friday, 5 September 2003 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I keep waiting for someone to use the opening to the "Begin" album as a sample. Or maybe they have already. It sounds like it's begging to be turned into a rap/hip-hip thing.

dlp9001, Friday, 5 September 2003 20:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Dave the Rave is Joey Stec?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 5 September 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)

your boy trife be containing MULTITUDES!!!

trife (simon_tr), Saturday, 6 September 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

that doomie didn't appear on this thread is baffling, and that's not nearly the strangest thing about this wonderful thread

the surface noise (electricsound), Saturday, 6 September 2003 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes - Dave the Rave was indeed Joey Stec.

False Name, Saturday, 6 September 2003 09:56 (twenty-two years ago)

HAHAHA! Go, Dave the Rave! Can we lure him back? Get, you know, answers and such?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 6 September 2003 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

i prefer roger nichols to the millenium

Jens (brighter), Saturday, 6 September 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

>I keep waiting for someone to use the opening to the "Begin" album as a sample. Or maybe they have already. It sounds like it's begging to be turned into a rap/hip-hip thing.
-- dlp9001 (dlp900...), September 5th, 2003.

Saint Etienne used it as their intro music on the Good Humour tour. Best drum sound ever.

harveyw (harveyw), Sunday, 7 September 2003 09:19 (twenty-two years ago)

six months pass...
Joey Stec was on this board?

Wow, Friday, 2 April 2004 08:11 (twenty-two years ago)

two years pass...
OMG, Ethan digs(dug?)this stuff - scanners.gif !!!

Haha, talk about My World Fell Down, lol!

timmy tannin (pompous), Friday, 18 August 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...
I keep waiting for someone to use the opening to the "Begin" album as a sample. Or maybe they have already. It sounds like it's begging to be turned into a rap/hip-hip thing.

-- dlp9001, Friday, September 5, 2003 4:43 PM (3 years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/610SEA1PARL._AA240_.jpg
^^'wake up and smell the millenium' does exactly this

and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

btw i have no idea where this LP is now - i used to jam on it in h.s. all the time

and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

And now I need to see who in fact Joey Stec is.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Well there it is:

http://www.myspace.com/joeystec

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

millenium is good; better than saggitarius i think.

ian, Thursday, 17 May 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

i listened to my joey stec and sandy salisbury cds the other day and i don't think they held up as well as the millenium did. too twee for me right now.

anyone want to buy a clean vinyl copy of Sagitarius' "Blue Marble"?

jaxon, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Millenium = f'ng awesome. That 3 disc thing incorporating The Ballroom and other associated things is one of my most played cds. If 60's sunshine harmony pop is your thing, there will be hardly any tracks which don't fly your kite. Even the instrumental out-takes etc are good.

everything, Thursday, 17 May 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

"joey stec's" user name reminds me of this Trashfashion nu rave video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrzJ-NDRHgM

jaxon, Thursday, 17 May 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

"That 3 disc thing incorporating The Ballroom and other associated things is one of my most played cds."

seriously. it's worth its weight in gold. lately,i can't get enough of the song album that curt produced. i've been playing it constantly for six months or more. sooooooooo addictive. and so great!

wow, so me and jaxon aren't the only ones who heard that nobody album! i really liked that album.

scott seward, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

The 2-discer also contains (in my opinion) the all-time definitive versions of "Baby Please Don't Go" and "Sunarise".

everything, Thursday, 17 May 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

I keep waiting for someone to use the opening to the "Begin" album as a sample

I keep waiting for someone to re-release the "Begin" album again, as I still only have it as a burned CD (with annoying skipping between the segued tracks and all) and it is currently not even available as an import.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

Just get the 3-disc set.

everything, Friday, 18 May 2007 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

i actually haven't heard that Nobody album. i have the first two. i should pick that one up eventually.

i was over at a friend's house one day and he played me some dadelus song that sampled this also (aren't he and nobody friends?). i played him the original and his mind was blown. i bet he still likes the dadelus version better.

jaxon, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

u know, i have a feeling Ian would like this second Nobody album. it has west coast pop art experimental group and pearls before swine covers, but done in a hazy hip hop style

jaxon, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:44 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and a great cover of the zombies "this is our year" that i dont think i've heard before

jaxon, Friday, 18 May 2007 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

i've been turning friends on to this for about two years now. 'begin' is incredible. there's a warmth to this that is missing from a lot of similarly classified albums, such as the way-overrated 'pet sounds' et al. which just sound clinical to me.

derrrick, Friday, 18 May 2007 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Millenium is nice, but disappointing when compared to the Ballroom and Sagittarius. "Begin" has its moments ("Prelude", "The Island", "There is Nothing More to Say") but in all, the songs and production just don't have as much character as Boettcher's other work.

nicegeoff, Friday, 18 May 2007 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

I agree that the Ballroom has the edge over the Millenium, howevernice but disappointing is not on the mark whatsoever.

everything, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

ok, who the hell was "falsename" (doomie?) and how did he know dave the rave was joey stec? so many mysteries on this thread.

the millenium's "begin" record is amazing (and ethan in a curiously unlikely otm moment)

gershy, Monday, 24 December 2007 07:19 (eighteen years ago)

The Rising Storm had a recent post about Sagittarius (incl. two mp3s) which linked to an earlier post about the Millennium (another mp3), in case anyone's curious to hear.

I'd never heard of either group before but I must get both albums now. Based on these songs I actually like Sagittarius a lot more.

pgwp, Monday, 24 December 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

"Begin" is great but sadly it seems to hard to track down on CD these days.

Geir Hongro, Monday, 24 December 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Millennium is a lot more rock, Sagittarius more pop. Of those two songs, sure, the latter is better -- "My World Fell Down" is a total classic. I actually kind of enjoy The Blue Marble more than Present Tense.

Personally, my favorite Boettcher is Misty Mirage, which McGee released on Poptones. The tripped out version of "Tumbling Tumbleweeds," "Baby, It's Real," the Tim Buckley-esque "Astral Cowboy," and all the ad-spots ("Wearing Levi's") just captures everything I love about the guy better than any official record he released, me thinks.

Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 24 December 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

nine months pass...

I actually kind of enjoy The Blue Marble more than Present Tense.

rly well I have to get Blue Marble then because Present Tense is so good.

"My World Fell Down" is great but I don't think it towers above the other songs on the album.

wilter, Friday, 26 September 2008 23:12 (seventeen years ago)


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