Who was the first in the new dance punk genere?

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Did !!! rip off the Rapture? Who was the first of these new bands to make punk rock freindly for the dance floor again?

― Douglas Roper, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 07:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Primal Scream have been doing it (with varying success) for years. But even so, my money's on EMF.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 07:59 (twenty-three years ago)

the clash

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 08:04 (twenty-three years ago)

PIL!!!

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 08:05 (twenty-three years ago)

and Gang of Four.

― Jrvision (visionjr), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 08:07 (twenty-three years ago)

KISS

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 08:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Pop Group, Higsons, Pigbag...

― Jez (Jez), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 11:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Squirrel Nut Zippers

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:19 (twenty-three years ago)

EMF

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Randy Badazz

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Van Halen's version of "Dancing in the Streets" is like what all these bands aspire to be.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Fugazi

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 13:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Le Tigre.

― Andy, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Buddy Rich

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

the gipsy kings

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:22 (twenty-three years ago)

antonio fargas

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 16:40 (twenty-three years ago)

it was jesus, jesus did it my child, and this is how you repay him.

― Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:28 (twenty-three years ago)

Q & Not U

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

THE VSS

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:45 (twenty-three years ago)

GOD I PREDICTED ALL THESE REPLIES.... BUT SERIOUSLY

THE MAKE UP IS A BIG INFLUENCE ON THE RAPTURE ETC I THINK

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:50 (twenty-three years ago)

You did not predict my Van Halen reply as I am totally serious and not making a joke at all. Their version of "Dancing in the Street" is like the punk/funk template (with scratchier vocals and better guitar playing).

― hstencil, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 17:56 (twenty-three years ago)

saying the make up is a big influence on the rapture is pretty much tantamount to not knowing any cure songs, innit?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:02 (twenty-three years ago)

ding ding ding!

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:10 (twenty-three years ago)

aaaargh not the vss, i meant satisfact.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:17 (twenty-three years ago)

six finger satellite "coke and mirrors"

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:37 (twenty-three years ago)

I'M SAYING THE MAKEUP IS A INFLUENCE AS IN

OMG INDIE KIDS DANCING

http://www.discopope.com/pics/kife/badassjasonkifer.jpg

― Jon Williams (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:46 (twenty-three years ago)

six finger satellite "coke and mirrors"

hachi machi!

― Brock K. (Brock K.), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:49 (twenty-three years ago)

have you looked at every other response on this thread? (most of which deal with omg indie kids dancing)?

― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

ian svenonononoeneneoius' only influence is that he still can't make chest hair cool again

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:52 (twenty-three years ago)

he can't, but you can Yanc3.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 18:59 (twenty-three years ago)

i wish i could, but my chest is above the timberline

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:02 (twenty-three years ago)

jesus that sounded gross

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Brainiac!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Wow, I leave the country for one week and when I come back, suddenly "dance punk" is like a full-fledged genre term? Excellent work, whoever: I've seen it used all official-like four times in the past two days. Can we start up some sort of pool for the first band to say "We don't really think of ourselves as a 'dance punk' band, that's just one of those meaningless critics' pigeonholes?"

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Seriously, though, we might as well get a jump on the argument we'll probably wind up having anyway. Call it in the air: is "dance punk" a fair thing to say? (Please express your answer in the form of a comparison to another genre concept, like "dance punk > post-rock > IDM" or "gutter garage > dance punk > nu-soul.")

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-three years ago)

NB: I do sort of wish people would stop saying things like "making punk rock friendly for the dancefloor," since at least half of the bands described this way -- while certainly packing a decent amount of groove -- really aren't that danceable, especially the ones who get antsy and have to cover everything in jerky skronk so they can still feel manly. When people are referring to Ex-Models as "dance punk" the first word is getting stretched a bit toward snapping (unless Ex-Models have changed drastically between their first record and now).

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I love a punk band in a dance uniform.

― Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

cabaret voltaire !

― ke[hm, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 19:30 (twenty-three years ago)

dance punk as a massive phenom., for me, came to a head w/the article in xlr8r a couple issues back (the one w/KRS-One on the cover) by pony gold-meyers & jr nelson, profiling the now-bands that are putting the dance in punk: !!!, q¬u, the watchers, radio 4, etc. tho for me the first dancey guitar band in the new was around 2000, from a local group called emergency who were obsessed w/come on before anyone else cared (on a larger scale).

the new ex-models is drastically different from the last one, but it is in no way a dance punk record, unless you dance like ian curtis.

― truant (truant), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-three years ago)

p.s i don't think !!! or the rapture sound anything alike, and i think !!! came first, though it's possible they influenced each other considering they were both doing the west coast circuit in the mid-late '90s.

― truant (truant), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Clearly it was Night Ranger. Or April Wine.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

No mention of Luscious Jackson, esg -- I mean esp. -- considering geography? I bet a DFA remix of "Here" would be as big as any other DFA remix. It's already got handclaps, scratchy guitars, rollerdisco piew-piews.

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 May 2003 02:42 (twenty-three years ago)

(The B-side would include an extended mix of "Pelé Merengue.")

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 May 2003 02:45 (twenty-three years ago)

does this thread mean that pogo disco is now dead?

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 29 May 2003 02:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Duuuh, people! It was PIL!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)

No, wait, I've changed my mind! The Pop Group!

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Who was the first in the new dance punk genre?

― Pedant (Andy K), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:14 (twenty-three years ago)

More Ubu Dance Party answers to be found below:

― Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, like really new, Pedant? There hasn't been any punk yet. Glam, trash, sleaze, etc, sure, but no real punk, not yet anyway.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:37 (twenty-three years ago)

glass houses colin

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 03:50 (twenty-three years ago)

Blount, I hardly think Billy Joel qualifies as dance punk.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Thursday, 29 May 2003 04:11 (twenty-three years ago)

pedant

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 29 May 2003 04:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Wasn't the whole New Romantic genre really all about a bunch of glammed-up people performing music that was a hybrid of disco and punk? If not, I'm saying The Clash. "London Calling" and "Radio Clash" are totally danceable and I *heart* those two songs.

― Dee the Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 29 May 2003 05:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Who was the first in the new dance punk genre?

Do Junior Senior count?

― Jez (Jez), Thursday, 29 May 2003 07:48 (twenty-three years ago)

I just realized, I'd rather see people create a "new dance punk genre" on the punky-dance-act side than the danceable-rock-band side. (I don't think the Audio Bullys album ever really succeeds at this, but I get the feeling that if someone got it down it's be a lot more compelling than a lot of the rock stuff.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 29 May 2003 14:41 (twenty-three years ago)

What about the Leather Nun? Or Alien Sex Fiend?

― Matt Helgeson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 May 2003 15:42 (twenty-three years ago)

ni ni ni

― Evan (Evan), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:20 (twenty-three years ago)

nabisco what about Basement Jaxx?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Two questions being answered here really: the first is that actual question in the title, the second is who were the forerunners of this particular style (if we're agreeing it's a style). To answer the second is easy because there are a million possible responses, all correct. To answer the first is harder, because it involves some other knotty questions, like What distinguishes this new style (again, if we're agreeing...) from its forerunners, in terms of attitude and style? Second, who was the first band to make this split salient?

[/pedantry]

― amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

Jaxx definitely fit the "more compelling than the rock stuff" description, but they've never really gotten all rocked-up, have they? I mean, "Where's Your Head At," but that's actually one of my least favorite of their tracks. But yeah, I was really taken with "We Don't Care," cause it seemed to at least gesture madly in the direction of the idea that a Jaxx-style single could sort of work its way into the same format as popular rock, which I guess I do find pretty fascinating, plus it's a lot more enjoyable to me than the average "dance punk" rock band. Really, if we want to conceive of these acts as actually trying to cross a particular line toward one another, I'd say "House of Jealous Lovers" and "We Don't Care" have been the most successful at meeting up in the midground. (But I also think that conceptualizing the whole thing as "rock bands try to be dance" and "dance acts try to be rock" is obviously a really poor way of dealing with the whole thing.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 29 May 2003 16:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Who was the first in the new dance punk genre?

you mean who started ripping off pil after 2001 first? the strange thing i find is you can't really dance to any of this. unless you are an awkward indie kid who has never danced before i guess. yeah, i'd rather see dance acts go punk instead of vice versa. if someone made an original song with the vibe of the push it/no fun mash-up now that would get me excited.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Thursday, 29 May 2003 19:50 (twenty-three years ago)

TEN BENSON!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-three years ago)

If you cannot dance to the DFA remix of Deceptacon you need to see a doctor because something is wrong with you.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I want to start a hula-hoop club.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:48 (twenty-three years ago)

But Mike, what if you have no legs? < / martin m >

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 May 2003 23:58 (twenty-three years ago)

Ned, in this situation wiggling is a passable reaction.

― Mike Taylor (mjt), Friday, 30 May 2003 01:22 (twenty-three years ago)

the thing is the push it/no fun boot is hardly a dance song either

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 30 May 2003 01:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Ha, the DFA remix of Deceptacon = more dance format leaning toward rock than rock format leaning toward dance.

NB this is sort of a meaningless tautology, since obviously the rock end will not be as "dance," by definition. The part that makes me skeptical of more of the rock bands isn't any rhythmic "danceability" thing but the "ooo, check it out, we're skronky" thing.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 30 May 2003 04:15 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, i'm sure you can dance to this stuff - in a pinch. but you put it on after a missy elliott song and you'd clear the floor. it just doesn't have much power. and i'm not so into those screetchy voices. i like ol martha wash. i see dance music as more primal and utilitarian. it gets in your ass and makes you move. and that ny stuff just rubs me like contrived art-wank that you can wiggle a bit to. i think the people who make it probably have no ass. although i like that lcd soundsystem song. maybe their asses are a bit bigger.

actually, i was just thinking about jesus and mary chain. i think sidewalking was a pretty good dance-rock song. they started using those heavy drum machines to some good effect. maybe i just prefer the dance stylings of junkie rockers, not coke-head rockers. they're more low and slow, not high and fast.

what is skronky?

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Friday, 30 May 2003 05:41 (twenty-three years ago)

"i think the people who make it probably have no ass" = truth.

― g--ff c-nn-n (gcannon), Friday, 30 May 2003 06:12 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.achewood.com/rsrc/img/assinyourpants220_100.gif

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 30 May 2003 06:17 (twenty-three years ago)

lolita - are there any cliches you don't know?

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 30 May 2003 11:51 (twenty-three years ago)

The only track I can't help dancing to is the Fall's "The Classical". Mark Smith has a fine ass, obv

― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 30 May 2003 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I think We Don't Care was as Nabisco says, a pretty good fusion. But that said, it's not a tremendous record. It's fun more than anything else. Off the top of my head I'd say Keep Your Head Up by Harry Choo Choo Romero is another totally rock house tune, complete with scuzzy air guitar breakdown.

― Ronan (Ronan), Saturday, 31 May 2003 10:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Trio. No, wait, Ideal or Der Plan. Hang on, it's DAF. Yes, I'm settling for DAF.

― colin s barrow (colin s barrow), Saturday, 31 May 2003 10:37 (twenty-three years ago)

white guys drive like this.
black guys drive like this.
but seriously, i prefer the term 'traditionalist'.

― lolita corpus (lolitacorpus), Saturday, 31 May 2003 19:55 (twenty-three years ago)

A lot of the current dance-punk sounds like it's trying to be early nineties The Fall. The Rapture's album sounds like it's trying to be early nineties The Fall and succeeding (this is a good thing when "The Infotainment Scam" is your favourite album by The Fall).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 1 June 2003 22:43 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

it's "Scan" not "Scam"

― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah - I think this revealation hit a lot of people on ILM shortly after this thread. It's funny how many people always misread it.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

They've been scammed cuz they scanned.

― LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I only realized last week after copying mp3s off someone that Hex Enduction Hour is not in fact called Hex Education Hour. (I've owned a vinyl copy for about 13 years.)

― Graeme (Graeme), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

B-52's

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 19 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

has Blondie not been mentioned!?!?!

― David Allen (David Allen), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Not angular enough?

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

ZZ Top.

― seahorse genius (seahorse genius), Friday, 19 November 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

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