Nick Tosches - S&D

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I'd heard Nick Tosches's name before, and I know his Jerry Lee Lewis biog is supposed to be the definitive work, but I've just been checking out some of the titles he's written and they sound like they'd be brilliant - 'Country: The Twisted Roots of Rock 'N' Roll', 'Unsung Heroes of Rock 'N' Roll: The Birth of Rock in the Wild Years Before Elvis', 'Country: Living Legends and Dying Metaphors in America's Biggest Music' etc.

I'm intrigued. Where's a good place to start, and if he's as good as some people claim, why?

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:04 (twenty-three years ago)

Hellfire, the Lewis biog is killer (ho ho ho!) but there's a good Tosches reader out, too, I've got quite a bit of his stuff and can recommend further but that's the point to start...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheers Dave. What else is good?

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Unsung Heroes of Rock 'N' Roll is pretty spesh, also i quite enjoyed The Devil and Sonny Liston, Dino and LOVED Where Dead Voices Gather - he's great at unearthing really obcscure music and doing painstaking research on it, really making the subject come alive (in this partic case abt minstrelsy) but chocka with attitude, too...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Cut Numbers, Tosches' first novel, is pretty great, as well.

FYI: The Nick Tosches Reader is a good introduction to the pretty amazing breadth of his work, and demonstrates the development of his writing style from the '60s onwards.

Brandon Gentry (Brandon Gentry), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Dead Voices - first Tosches thing I've read - is dazzling in places but quite hard going in others; enormous wodges of superbly researched and clearly expressed fact are still enormous wodges of fact.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Tosches is certainly among my fave writers (not just music writers -- writers), but I actually didn't like Dead Voices. My fave is Hellfire (one of the best books I have ever read), followed closely by Unsung Heroes (perhaps the definitive rocknroll book) and Dino (which I just finished last night -- it's fantastic). The Reader has some great stuff as well. It's hard to tell how much of what he writes is factual, but his prose gives off heat!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:56 (twenty-three years ago)

S: Hellfire, Cut Numbers, Unsung, Country, NT Reader, D & Sonny Liston, Dino
D: Last Opium Den, In the Hand of Dante (astoundingly awful)

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:58 (twenty-three years ago)

My fave Tosches is Dino: Living High in the Dirty Business of Dreams, his Dean Martin bio. Hellfire is great, but I enjoyed reading Dino more. It's not quite as febrile, a little more swingin', prose-wise, and he makes you care about Martin--whom, Tosches makes a good case, didn't care much about anything--much more than you would expect.

That said, Hellfire's pretty essential too. And there's a recent compendium titled The Nick Tosches Reader that can give you the whole picture, warts and all. I blush to confess I haven't read Country, but from what most everyone who has read it says, we probably all should.

Speaking of warts, I didn't much care for his Sonny Liston book, hated his Emmett Miller books, and thought his searching-for-an-opium-den book was a first-class wank job. The only novel of his I've read, Cut Numbers, deeply annoyed me as well, so perhaps take it all with a grain.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I haven't read the Liston book yet, but a friend of mine artfully destroyed the books premise the other night at dinner. That said, I'm still gonna read it.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

re: enormous wodges of fact

hahaha! that's exactly why i liked dead voices - i knew next to nothing about the subject matter on beginning the book, but was totally captivated by how much work went into it, its rhythm, its density. as a result i grew more and more interested in the music as i went on and now own a few bits and pieces i'd never have heard of otherwise... admittedly, i'm big on quite really well researched writing, but you also really do get the sense that when doing this kind of work, tosches claims a place in history for many of his subjects and as such is an incredibly important and damned good writer...

Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:08 (twenty-three years ago)

I suppose he's good but I tried dipping into the reader and it left me fairly cold...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 June 2003 14:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Tosches, but I had some big problems with his Liston bio. Namely, he suggests that Liston threw not only the second Ali fight, but the first as well. I mean, c'mon. If so, that was the greatest dramatized ass-whuppin' I've ever seen.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Search: Unsung Heroes (easily the best intro to Tosches-world, esp. the expanded edition - big laughs all the way through); Dino (the most complete and compelling account of post-war American pop culture that I know of); Country, Hellfire, that Da Capo reader, Cut Numbers. Also: any of NT's contribs to Kicks magazine ('swhere I first heard that story abt Louis Prima licking balls).

Destroy: NT's deeply tedious Liston bk ('Night Train' in the UK) - Tosches really overdoes the 'deep' historical background stuff, and all the hell and damnation biz feels a bit tired by now. Also destroy: that deeply homophobic int. he gave w/ 'Chemical Imbalance' fanzine 15 plus years ago.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I wanna read that Dino book. My friend lent me the reader; I really enjoyed the Korshak piece but couldn't really get into that much else.

s1utsky (slutsky), Thursday, 5 June 2003 18:48 (twenty-three years ago)

His whole stupid macho attitude grates (he once described "Hello, I Love You" as "a cold hard blue-veined cock right up under the tie-dyed skirts of benighted sensitivity" - my initial response, aside from "So what's so great about THAT?" is that "Hello, I Love You" is a sappy bubblegum hit that wouldn't offend Savonarola) but he's such a good writer you can overlook it most of the time. The first couple pages of "Hellfire," where he describes Jerry Lee Lewis's late night visit to Graceland, is one of the best things I've ever read.

Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 6 June 2003 03:08 (twenty-three years ago)

He's great when he's not consumed by his own NickToschesness.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 6 June 2003 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

nine years pass...

my dad gave me his copy of the reader cuz he couldn't read it - he didn't like all the four letter words - and so i thought i'd tackle it and i can't read it either. i just can't read the hepcat thing anymore. dated 60s/70s hepcat talk. i can't really read bangs or meltzer anymore either. i'm always afraid if i keep reading tosches' old stuff he's gonna call something spade faggot jive or something and that fear is enough to make me stop. all three of these guys were wrong about so much too. that's the other thing. they gave up so soon. and beginning your collection of work with something that is supposed to be a review of black sabbath's paranoid but is actually a review of a black widow album bugs me a lot. guess it doesn't matter who the hell he was writing about!

rolling stone doesn't care either:

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/paranoid-19710415

scott seward, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:17 (thirteen years ago)

clicked this thread w/trembling hand. expected an obit link

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 16:48 (thirteen years ago)

dunno, i think Tosches is pretty entertaining. he can be aggressively dumb at times but can also be awesome. his Country book is hilarious.
the reader thing is pretty bad tho.

tylerw, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:04 (thirteen years ago)

i saw a thing in mojo with him and it was fairly standard stuff, just stuff about upcoming projects and shit like that...then at the end they ask this question (which i think they ask everyone in this section of the magazine as a last question): "Tell me something you've never told and interview before", and I'm sure they usually get like amusing anecdotes or fun facts or whatever, but tosces goes on this whole thing about how he had this painting of some female saint and spent a year jacking off on her face and the painting became all grossly discolored and stuff, anyway it was really bizarre and then it was like "Ok, thanks" and end of the interview. o_O

wack nerd zinging in the dead of night (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:06 (thirteen years ago)

country book is the only tosches i've read--some good stuff in there--but his style is not my favorite type of thing to read.

can't hait on bangs too much, cuz reading psychotic reactions as a young teen & getting into the godz, tangerine dream and van morrison was definitely a good thing..

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:07 (thirteen years ago)

lmao @ tosches beating off story

one dis leads to another (ian), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:07 (thirteen years ago)

he gave the interviewer "good copy"

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:39 (thirteen years ago)

i first read tosches when unsung heroes ran as a column in creem. those profiles of obscure musicians were great reads. they weren't about the music as much as the crazed lives led by these obscure musicians. they really stood out as narratives, NOBODY else did that kind of writing in music magazines.

so i don't read nick tosches looking to find out anything about music. he doesn't write *about* music he uses music as a springboard to other stuff. dino is his best book imo, where all his passions converge. drinking, the mafia, show-biz, sleaze, macho posturing. back in the late 90s he wrote an amazing long profile of ed sullivan back in vanity fair otherwise i haven't kept up with him.

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 17:56 (thirteen years ago)

I've only read Unsung Heroes which I enjoyed a lot.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 18:14 (thirteen years ago)


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