The Last Strokes Thread... Ever!

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They've been done to death, but I had to revisit it because I broke down and bought "Is This It?" Saturday, and I've got to say I really like it. Derivative? I guess so, mostly of the Velvets, a little Television, but look; what rock music isn't derivative of something at this point in time? At least these guys are inspired by sources that I really like, and at least this particular sound and pose hasn't been done to death, or done recently, anyway. And the songs are really catchy. They're not gonna "save" rock and roll. But the CD has been raving non-stop in my apartment, which is worth something. So recommended, if anyone believes me, or gives a shit.

nb: US vinyl fans be on the lookout; I bought the import CD only to discover the LP the next day for half as much.

Sean, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Complete agreement, Sean.

Nitsuh, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Another victim of the hype. I might just spring for the import CD, though, because the US cover SUCKS. Screw fractals, man.

David Raposa, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

::looks pointedly at watch::

Aren't their fifteen minutes UP already?!?!

kate, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Got the Aussie import ysterday. It's fantastic. 7 songs outta 11 could be singles, or so it sounds. I'm rocked (off!) out of my socks, I must say. I needed a band like that - right now. I am happily suprised as I thought it'd be way more garage sounding, when it isnt at all. I mean, it's not the Obliveans. All seem to agree that the songs are incredibly catchy, which is the whole point, and the production very slick, sometimes reminding me of Suede even... With some iguana kid on vocals. Or Supergrass in NYC. US rock'n'roll bands these days are often either too heavy sounding, or too sleepy. I'm getting sick of sad post-rock Mogwai-isms, I mean we'll have a winterfull of snowy depression falling on our heads quite soon, and now's not the time to brood. Before fall hits the city, turning it to red and yellow, I just want the boogie, the hippy-hippy-shake, the barely legal twist, and the Strokes deliver. I'm stroked.

Simon, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's a great dance record! I put it on and Sophie and I were dancing around the living room!

porch monkey, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You know, the "oh, the hype" complaint is getting more hyped than the hype around here. Over-hyped: agreed. Agreed, agreed, agreed. But I think the thrust of this topic is that despite our opinions on the hype, it turns out that the record isn't all that bad. If anything, I think the hype lowered my expectations so much that I was even more impressed with the record than I otherwise might have been.

Seriously -- it's a decent little record. I swear to God. Whether or not you think the Strokes should be doing what they're doing, I still think it's notable that they're not doing nearly as bad a job of it as you'd expect.

Nitsuh, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Simon, Nitsuh; right on.

Sean, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So...who still DOESN'T like the Strokes?

Tom, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I still DON'T like the Strokes! Mainly because I think the production sounds awful. Also the singer's voice is annoying. The songs are alright. That's all there is to say.

Bill, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So...who still DOESN'T like the Strokes?

This is painful: Of the five songs I've heard -- the ones on the Eps -- I have to admit that I like three-and-a-half of them. "Last Nite" is probably the best thing they will ever do. Some of the lyrics to "Barely Legal" I find a bit crap and silly, so that's the half.

scott p., Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I still don't like them, and I shall not move from my position. However, in their defence it must be said they haven't written the WORST SONG EVER - that particular honour goes to the new Starsailor single.

DG, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"worse song ever"

Oh cripes, knowing everyone at greenspun, people will bitch about starsailor, like they did with the strokes and then end up liking starsailor.

Just goes to show ya, you can't judge the record by the single.

porch monkey, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's a great dance record!

Of course porch monkey, just like "Pumpin on yr stereo" is a great dance single. "Is this it" as a whole reminds me of the Supergrass song. It's really meant for that.

Simon, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

We already did Starsailor, and no-one ended up liking them. There's nothing to like, they're horrid.

DG, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All sounds like it's been done before, and better. I mean, it's definitely not revolutionary. It could have been ANYONE selected for this year's treatment, really.

dave q, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My name is Richard Tunnicliffe and I quite like The Strokes.

They're better than the Channel 6 anyway

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've heard 5 songs- out of those I like "Hard to Explain" and "Is This It". Perhaps I'd warm to the others if I listened to them in the context of the album.

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've heard nothing done by The Strokes that excited me in the least. They weren't aggressively offensive like Puddle of Mudd or Drowning Pool, but I would be perfectly content to never hear them again.

Dan Perry, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

RickyT, prepare to meet your maker. Call the Royal Hampstead Free now and ask them to reserve a bed in their Ass Removal Ward. I have actually had the erm, dubious pleasure of seeing The Channel 6 support the Strokes and to a man, everyone agreed that the C6 whumped their arses.

The album, as it comes to pass, was merely boring. We barely made it through one side before realising that it had actually been on, and then quickly changed to something more interesting.

kate, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dude, the strokes suck so fucking bad.

chaki, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dear Strokes: It's over, it's over now move over, it's over now your game's shut down. - Love, Kurupt.

Ben Butler, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know. They just sound inept to me. They're trying to copy music I really like, but it sounds rudimentary and maladroit. They have no reason to exist, really.

Melissa W, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Last Nite" is probably the best thing they will ever do.

Yus. If more of their stuff was so jaunty, I wouldn't mind. Less sleaze, more bees' knees. Er, please.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't mind being a sucker for the flava of da month for once. I really think it's a fantastic pop album, and whether I will listen to it in a year's time is irrelevant. Saving rock'n'roll is not such a difficult or interesting mission anyway. I believe it's being saved everytime I play "Is this it" way too loud for my neighbours to endure. See that wasn't so hard...

(But Bush might not have done it.)

Simon definitely stroked, Monday, 17 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Someone here in Seattle used a pile of very large Strokes posters to make garage sale signs with...

Let that be a sign of where they're headed in the U.S.

Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm still curious as to what the point of them is.

dave q, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

There's no more or less point to them than any other artist, dq. Yes, the hype is ridiculous, it's also totally irrelevant. The album is good - as they say themselves "Take it or leave it".

Dr. C, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How many threads is this now? Three or four or more? It seems a bit excessive when we'll have forgotten all about them this time next year.

DG, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes DG you're quite right. We should forget this frivolous pop hype and concentrate on records which will stand the test of time like James Taylor and Travis.

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If an unexceptionable band is going to be 'naturally' complicit in its own hype, then I'll be 'naturally' complicit in the backlash.

dave q, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

This has probably been mentioned ad nauseum, but I am so sure that in another less-hyped world, the Strokes would be the Dirty Little Secret of musical hipsters everywhere. Everyone would whisper pss- pss-pss about them, talking about the mainstream's inability to embrace and realize such "greatness".

Well, maybe not, but I'm all but sure that if another relatively unknown group (say, Interpol, the Walkmen, or even a "new" group like Oneida or Les Savy Fav - a group that's been around for a while, but hasn't received much attention) was given the red carpet Walk of Hype that said Strokes are receiving, then the same sort of bullshit "what's the point? / they're asking for it / I won't listen BECAUSE of the hype / they won't last" would be staining their reputations, too.

It's not the press that's to blame now; it's our reaction to the press that's causing the hubbub, bub, and THAT'S the most annoying aspect of this whole phenomenon.

David Raposa, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It's not the press that's to blame now; it's our reaction to the press that's causing the hubbub, bub, and THAT'S the most annoying aspect of this whole phenomenon.

It might just be the fact that, Informed and Talkative Consumers/Critics That We Are On This Here Board, we're all just scratching our heads over screaming for little reason -- not that the phenomenon is unknown, more just the fact that I have yet to see anyone who likes them even agree slightly with the press descriptions of them as being The Shit. Therefore, why not dump on the press?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

what you say david may well be true. but the bands you mention aren't really very good. i quite like the strokes, not hugely, but they're ok and a friends taping me the album. but they are better than those other bands you mentioned

gareth, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Gareth- Which of the bands that he mentioned have you heard? Neither Interpol and Walkmen have any widely-released material beyond an EP or single or so but both of their live shows are superb. having seen both them and the Strokes, the relatively unknown bands are both far superior to the Strokes. And, of course, were they to be as hyped, there would inevitably be backlash, however less so, as there music is far more interesting then the Strokes, who by the way, I actually sort of enjoy.

hans, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes alright, you've got me bang to rights! i have heard les savy fav though and thought they were mediocre.

gareth, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hmph. Les Savy Fav are pretty damn ace on the evidence of Rome (written upside down).

Richard Tunnicliffe, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The tradrock journo's answer (not entirely mine) would be that the Strokes, far from being outshone by those bands, expose their affectations and limitations - most notably an apparent committment to knottiness and 'difficulty' over pop values.

That of course wouldn't make Les Savy Fav bad at all, it just makes comparisons to the Strokes a bit useless. Every American I know, pretty much, has said oh there are loads of bands like The Strokes, but generally they tend not to actually sound like The Strokes. They sound, if at all, like bands who might have once sounded like The Strokes but have tried to be more complicated and original: the question is, has that made their music better?

Tom, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To answer your question Tom, in some cases yes. I think that striving for complexity in itself is meaningless. However, that complexity can be seen in certain pieces of music to yield far more incredible songs than hacks like the Strokes are capable of. I wouldn't even say that most of the bands above are all that interested in making things overly complex. Actually, scratch that. Don't know les savvy fav but Oneida maybe does somewhat. Have not heard walkmen yet but I want to. I like the Interpol.

klaus von k., Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Pissing on the music press, in my mind, won't accomplish too much. Especially in the press that's fabricated all of this smoke. They'll look high & low for a story, they'll indulge in hyperbole for the sake of a story, they'll throw integrity and impartiality out with the chicken bones and coffee grounds just to get in on the ground floor. This won't change, regardless of griping, unless folks offer an alternative to such irresponsible blather. And they're out there, I think.

And, for the record, I didn't name those names specifically because of sonic similarities, or any similarities for that matter. (LSF is a Brooklyn-via-Providence group of art-damaged nuts; both Oneida & the Walkmen are messy garage type groups from the NYC, with Oneida indulging in the heavier psychedelic side of the garage; the Interpol, also from the NYC, are New Order enthusiasts of the highest caliber, as far as I can tell.) I'm just saying that if ANY group was picked from relative obscurity, and lavished with this sort of ridiculous praise, the same sort of fallout would ensue, regardless of the group's overall quality.

I'd go so far as to say this distrust is an instinctive reaction that's been developed via the plethora of groups with "indie cred" using the underground (a la Smashing Pumpkins) to gain some upward mobility with hopes of taking a stab at the big prize.

David Raposa, Tuesday, 18 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Don't be silly Tom, that isn't what I said, was it? What I meant was this an awful lot of fuss about an awful lot of fuss about a very average band, who will have been forgotten about DESPITE (and this is the important bit) claims that they are the best/most important/'once in a lifetime'(which has been said in the NME) band around, which would almost automatically guarantee immortality of some sort. I hardly think it's fair to imply that my reasoning is along rather conservative lines, eh?

DG, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"would almost automatically guarantee immortality of some sort": don't buy this DG... I think at ALL periods in its history NME has sometimes totally fucked up, backed a semi-dud, done them no favours with six months' froth and blow, and now no one remembers their name. Proof: I cannot remember any of their names. QED (er...)

mark s, Wednesday, 19 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I heard "Is this it" finally. It is not very good. I wish it were. but it's not. Too boring and similair. where in the world do people see the velvet underground in there sound...save a few Lou Reed-isms in the vocals?

Stephan, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Did anybody see TOTP2 on Wednesday. There was a Whitesnake clip from 1982 on and David Coverdale looked like the mould from which all the Strokes were cast. The resemblence was uncanny.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Rudimentary and maladroit

That sounds pretty good to me in my book.

Billy Dods, Thursday, 20 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"would almost automatically guarantee immortality of some sort"
I meant if they really WERE the best etc, not just the best in the eyes of the NME, I'm well aware of their record of backing the wrong horse, so to speak.

DG, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

four years pass...
Should I buy their new LP? I saw it in the shop today!

the bellefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 16:41 (twenty years ago)

If an unexceptionable band is going to be 'naturally' complicit in its own hype, then I'll be 'naturally' complicit in the backlash.
-- dave q (scrape10...), September 18th, 2001.

Classic Q!

the bellefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

I like this thread - it reminds me of how Tom E used to write. Maybe he still does.

the bellefox, Monday, 2 January 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

They got mega-love from Pareles in the NY Times today. No longer detached and blase, apparently.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 January 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)


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