RFD: Slipknot

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I'll bite. I've only heard part of a song on the radio. What's their deal? What makes them special? Are they really that much better than other death metal bands? What should we be searching? When I can find Destruction's Eternal Devastation for a quarter, should I pay over $20 for a Slipknot CD?

― sundar subramanian, Friday, 21 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Slipknot is not a "death metal band" by any standard. I'm not defending death metal bands, mind you, but merely pointing out a miscategorization.

Slipknot = music for not especially bright adolescents. Nothing more.

― alex in nyc, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That was a very useful response, alex.

― Cryosmurf, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I nearly spat out my morning orange juice when I saw that Rolling Stones gave the new Slipknot album four stars and declared that it was a classic for the ages, or something like that. And all this priase apparently based on a moderately clever couplet (in a 6th grade sort of way) including the phrase "shut the $%#% up." It was a long review too, waxing rapturously over all these standard, generic elements.

Needless to say, Slipknot is actually quite dreadful. And I _like_ some Nu Metal. The most recent albums by Taproot, System Of A Down and Deftones are many times better.

― Jack Redelfs, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Isn't "dreadful" kind of the idea?

― Cryosmurf, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I went to see them at a packed Glasgow Barrowlands and it was an interesting evening. Despite being twice the age of most of the rest of the audience and feeling somewhat I was in detached observer mode it was obvious that something was happening that doesn't happen much anymore.

The queue to get in was one of the friendliest I've been in since the late 70s and standing in the queue for the Clash / Ruts / Sham 69 was an identification (with the queue) and a seperation (from the rest of the people in your town).

I'm someone who once in all seriousness introduced himself as "Central Fife's biggest Buzzcocks fan" while waiting to go into a SLF / Mekons / The Freeze gig in 1978 that I had hitchhiked to and was going to sleep on a park bench afterwards before I could get home the next day in time to go to school.

The bloke in the queue next to me for Slipknop claimed to be Oban's biggest slipknot fan. He made his mask himself and it took him weeks. He had hitchhiked down, he had no idea where he was sleeping that night. (I felt a bit guilty that I popped out half an hour before wearing whatever I was wearing and hailed a cab to the gig). He had sat in his bedroom listening to the album over and over and knew it in stunning detail.

I quite like Slipknot for that alone, and I quite like the music too.

I've not heard the new album - I have the other one and you really don't need more than one album. But the album I do have has given me a fair amount of listening pleasure.

Its relentlessly and anti-intellectually nihlistic, brutal music. I hear traces of The Residents and 'wild planet' early 80s UK bands. Im pretty sure this is accidental and the reductionism of The Residents in their smug & punchable manner is merely instinctual and idiot savant in Slipknot.

Live its a bit disappointing they dont sound like that dense 8 piece sound you get from other large ensembles. And it did, erm, all sound the same (apart from the last number, a sprawling sludge workout that was awesome and alienating).

I mentioned Sham 69 above, and thats a good comparison, given that Sham 69 were actually terrible and made music for intellectually challenged teenagers - BUT that wasn't important at the time.

― Alexander Blair, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

'Music for not very bright adolescents' = far better than music for 'bright' adolescents, or 'not very bright' adults

― dave q, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

It might be true that you only need one Slipknot cd, but that's not because Iowa is just more of the same.

― Cryosmurf, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

SlipKnot = bullshit. Bottom line. They're from my hometown, they're fools, their music and concept as a whole is a joke. Really.. they're a bad idea gone too far, strictly novelty. If it weren't for those masks, they would NOT be where they are now. They most definitely wouldn't have been popular, locally. It's sad seeing them blow up like they have... they've been a bit of a running joke in Des Moines...

― Bobby D. Gray, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"the reductionism of The Residents in their smug & punchable manner is merely instinctual and idiot savant in Slipknot" = most exactingly devastating demolition of the Eyeball-hedz evah hurrah!! (I haf not knowingly heard slipknot so reserve right to adjust reaction accordingly)

― mark s, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If I was a kid I'd like them. They shout alot, make a racket and wear masks. They are heroic anti-hero's, safe alternative. Mainstream rebellion.

― jel, Saturday, 22 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

So Slipknot is relentlessly anti-intellectual, nihilistic, and brutal. So is everyone these days, who cares. You need more than that to stand out in the crowd.

― Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That's why they wear masks duh.

― Kris, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave Q, I'm waiting for you to state the case.

― sundar subramanian, Sunday, 23 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...

i absolutly love slipknot im listening to them as i type this. they are deffenitly not senceless people who yell and secream. Slipknot has affectd my lif alot. Their lyrics have made me open my eyes to the world and supriseingly the lyrics remind me of myself somtmes. All they do is speak the truth in their songs. And if you would just look past the yelling and lsten to the lyrics you'll find this to be true.
TO EVRY ONE WHO DOSNT LIKE SLIPKNOT> "YOU ARE WRONG, FUCKED, AND OVER RATED , I THINK IM GONNA BE SIC AND ITS YOUR FAULT"

MIKE-

― mike b, Sunday, 15 February 2004 01:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Well done.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with Mike. Slipknot is an awesome band. It isn't for those "not bright adolescents". It is for peopel who want to listen and so of those people, like myself, are actually bright in some sense of the word. Now stop being all champagne and stop dissing a band you know nothing about. I think that is all I have to say...for now. I hope you have/had a smashing or dreadful or blasted Valentine's day! Have a bubbly night!

― Alexxiss, Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Fucking fuck, Bizarro World has arrived again.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah pardon nay typoes if you will. Thank you.

Oh yes I forgot...
SKA!
SLIPKNOT ARMY FOREVER!

― Alexxiss, Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:12 (twenty-two years ago)

HOW DOES IT HAPPEN SO QUICKLY?

― Ian Johnson (orion), Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

How does what happen so quickly?

― Alexxiss, Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

If Slipknot had only released an EP containing the first six tracks from their Roadrunner debut, and then broken up, they'd have secured themselves a place in rock history alongside the Sex Pistols as one of the greatest tear-your-face-off bands ever. They could even have put out a full-length with those six tracks, and then maybe the first seven or eight tracks from Iowa as Side Two. That would be a slightly diminished achievement, but still pretty goddamn great. But both their albums sag badly in the stretch, and I'm not looking forward to their "ambitious" third one much at all.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 15 February 2004 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, I have agree with that. The first half of Slipknot's proper debut is occasionally brilliant, despite all the hubbub. I really have no love for their image, however, which is what's mostly kept me from buying it.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Sunday, 15 February 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Slipknot career trajectory = Machine Head + 6 years.

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 15 February 2004 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

for all of you who dont like slipknot, all you mother fuckers are gonna pay, you are the ones who are the ball lickers, were gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little whiny bitches. Then wen i find you im gonna make you eat my shit, then shit out your shit and then make you eat your shit which is made up of my shit that i made you eat.

― brendon m, Monday, 16 February 2004 02:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Well...about that purchase...

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 16 February 2004 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)

man slipknot are still so great

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the boredoms + ed rush X slayer -/- emo

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

the boredoms + ed rush X slayer -/- emo
-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyl...), February 16th, 2004.

HA! Nice. Pretty spot on.

― Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 16 February 2004 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Slipknot career trajectory = Machine Head + 6 years.

Ohhhh...nice. VERY nicely called.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 February 2004 06:40 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

slipknot 4 ever all u mother fuckers

― mike mike, Wednesday, 3 March 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Phil OTM about first 6 tracks from Slipknot's debut. Those tracks are the reason why I don't bash them automatically like I do almost all other nu-metal bands. I never liked their ruber mask gimmick/image though, and their fans are really annoying.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 06:12 (twenty-two years ago)

eh, "rubber" mask not "ruber".

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 March 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)

All you "haters" just hate Slipknot because you all know that Slipknot is fuckin good and you guys can't stand that. You refuse to be a part of something so pure and so good that you hate it. Maybe instead of hating Slipknot, you should be hating yourselves for having narrow-minds and not opening up to something truly great.

― Mike Garcia, Tuesday, 9 March 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

^thank you mike G^

― mikey b, Monday, 15 March 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

Like I stated before, Slipknot is great. I actually went to see them play at the Universal Amphitheater on May 11th and they were so awesome. The new songs are very good. I like them. And the new masks are even better in person. SLIPKNOT RULES...

― Mike Garcia, Saturday, 15 May 2004 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Or maybe....just maybe....we can see Slipknot for the wildly derivative, thoroughly unoriginal and quite depressingly juvenile stack of crap that it is. The only thing "truly great" about Slipknot is the amount of precious time you're wasting listening to them.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 May 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh is that right? Sounds like you're one of those narrow-minded people that just go along with all the other incompetent people that say things like "Slipknot this and Slipknot that". So how can you say that I'm wasting my time listening to them when you probably haven't heard much from them in the first place. To me, you're just a waste of a life for being so goddamn narrow-minded.

― Mike Garcia, Saturday, 15 May 2004 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Because I'm 36 and know better.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

alex remember when you railed against closed minded old people who hated punk when you were a kid?

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

true. jess, but at least punk was something genuinely new at the time.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)

b-but you were eight in 1976?!

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:33 (twenty-two years ago)

9, actually. And listening to Kiss at the time (to whom Slipknot owe a thing or two anyway).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 May 2004 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Overzealous fans calling other people narrow-minded: classic or dud?

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 16 May 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

classic

― christhamrin (christhamrin), Sunday, 16 May 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

true. jess, but at least punk was something genuinely new at the time.

Not really. It had been around for quite some time. I mean, not as punk, but if you listen to some garage tunes, it sounds very similar, no? So it wasn't like it came out of the blue. Secondly I don't see *new* as an inherently good thing. Why does it have to be new to be good?

― nathalie, the queen of frock'n'fall (nath), Saturday, 5 November 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

And the new masks are even better in person.

― Edward Bax (EdBax), Saturday, 5 November 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

A couple of years ago when Slipknot played Roseland just before Subliminal Verses came out, I went backstage to visit Corey (vocalist). I'd interviewed him for Alternative Press and told him stories about the porn magazine I was editing at the time. So I got to the dressing room door and asked one of the guys who came out to tell him that "Phil from High Society is here." He came out a minute later laughing and said, "Dude, my wife is in there! You should have seen the look she gave me!"

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 5 November 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I'm a total Slipknot apologist. Their lyrics and appproach are dopey dogshit, but you can't deny that they do more with "sound" than any other metal band outside of Strapping Young Lad. Christ, there's fucking NINE of them, and itdoesn't sound like a goddamn mess. Also, they bring it live.

This isn't to say that you need more than one record to get their "deal." Their new live record is pretty righteous in that you can actually hear all three drummers on it, so it's a lot heavier than their overprocessed studio albums.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 5 November 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Cool - maybe I'll pick it up. I no longer own Iowa, and never bought Subliminal Verses because the idea of a Slipknot power ballad made me retch. But the price is right for the double live disc - $16.99 at my local place.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 5 November 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...

"We aren't hiding behind these masks, we're actually revealing more to you than you might think. The mask I wear brings out all the shit inside me that I hate. Plus it hurts like hell, which helps my intensity." "If you feel like talking, you talk, if you don't, you don't" “So many people are like, 'Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick!', Fuck you! You don't know what we're about! Our motto has always been, 'Music First.' Even if the masks and the coveralls weren't there, the music would still be good." - Corey

― bllaaarghh!!!, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:20 (twenty years ago)

And the new masks are even better in person.

― Edward Bax (EdBax), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Yipes:

http://www.kcci.com/entertainment/23659932/detail.html

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 May 2010 21:44 (sixteen years ago)

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100524/capt.5be3656c92804c38b3ef9f084281c6b2-5be3656c92804c38b3ef9f084281c6b2-0.jpg?x=213&y=279&xc=1&yc=1&wc=312&hc=409&q=85&sig=JhzCSsTCZuocefNecSNKig--

― ( ｀ハ´)☞ 　☜(´∀｀☜) (am0n), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 01:57 (sixteen years ago)

good night sweet prince

― ( ｀ハ´)☞ 　☜(´∀｀☜) (am0n), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 01:59 (sixteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDcwBWWKGIs

― The masses have spoken: more zombie Roy Orbison! (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 02:15 (sixteen years ago)

Press conference: http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/7209258

― I just wish he hadn't adopted the "ilxor" moniker (ilxor), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:48 (sixteen years ago)

made a crap maggot related joke yesterday and now feel bad about it, that press conference was way sad ;_;

― No disre but maryanne hobbs is peng trust me (jim in glasgow), Wednesday, 26 May 2010 13:52 (sixteen years ago)

Guess he died in Urbandale. My brother lives in Urbandale. Nothing really "Urban" about it.

― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 26 May 2010 14:17 (sixteen years ago)

one year passes...

this is the first thread on ilx to have the word "taproot" in it

― del griffith, Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:38 (fourteen years ago)

it's not the first thread on ilx to have a load of bollocks in it

― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 21 April 2012 02:42 (fourteen years ago)

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