Kraftwerk American dates? (there are two or three)

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One of them is Seattle, the other one of two I don't know. Probably Los Angeles and ?????

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, there are two Canadian dates and two American dates... cut and pasted from Kraftwerk's site:

23 APR 04 TORONTO RICOH COLISEUM
24 APR 04 MONTREAL METROPOLIS
26 APR 04 SEATTLE PARAMOUNT
28 APR 04 SAN FRANCISCO WARFIELD


donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I've heard rumors that they're doing Coachella (Indio, CA - May 1st or 2nd) this time around and it looks like that would fit into their present itinerary.

Stupid thunderstorms thwarted the last time I had a chance to see them at the Tibetan Freedom Concert in '98 and I want a second chance.

chules (chules), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:35 (twenty-two years ago)

This is where I say that I have never heard Kraftwerk, but that I think I would really like them, and if I went to this, would I be converted?

Fatal Beret (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa! Have tickets gone on sale for Seattle?

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Question of the year! I'll snoop around for details. Call the Paramount Theatre and ask. (Maybe I will)

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

adam, never heard Kraftwerk, man!? we should do a lil music trading. i've never seen them live, but one of my friends went a few years ago and said it was the best show he's ever seen.

Thank you for choosing San Francisco.

JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

HOLY. FUCKING. SHIT.

they're not going to come to the east coast, are they. bastards. i can't tell you how tempted i am to go to seattle or SF to see them.

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

one of my friends went a few years ago and said it
was the best show he's ever seen.

Which is why I'd hope for an individual show instead of Coachella, unless a miracle happens and it's a lineup I'd absolutely kill to go see for once.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:52 (twenty-two years ago)

we should do a lil music trading.

HOOK ME UP!

Yes, Kraftwerk have always been a glaring omission from the Adamstacks, as I mentioned on the "incredibly famous bands that you have somehow never heard thread" yesterday.

Fatal Beret (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just told that they were fucking amazing in 98 out here in SF. I am going if I have to sell my car to afford it. Everyone I know in the UK is going this month as well. I am rarely this excited!

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Additional date from Pollstar: Sat 04/24/04 Montreal, QC Metropolis

If beggars could be choosers, I'd see them on their own, too.

chules (chules), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

D'oh! Missed that one above.

chules (chules), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just told that they were fucking amazing in 98 out here in SF. I am going if I have to sell my car to afford it. Everyone I know in the UK is going this month as well. I am rarely this excited!

So...all of the SF people are going (even if we are all jobless and/or poor), and it's something to get really excited about? Well then, I'm excited too!

Fatal Beret (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

AFter that we're all jumping off a bridge. You can join us if you like.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Any chance of this streaming in RealVideo like McCartney at the Cavern Club?

Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)

i've never seen them live, but one of my friends went a few years ago and said it was the best show he's ever seen.

Ditto. (On all counts.)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Which is why I'd hope for an individual show instead of Coachella, unless a miracle happens and it's a lineup I'd absolutely kill to go see for once.

LCD Soundsystem is confirmed. So if this Pixies thing happens and Kraftwerk and Radiohead show up as rumoured ... it could be interesting. Or terrible! It could also be really terrible.

dean! (deangulberry), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Geeta, if you have a passport, you can just take a train to Montreal to see them, probably the easiest option? Although, if you were to fly to Seattle, a Geeta in Seattle FAP would be URGENT and KEY.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

oh man i wish i could go to Coachella (he says for the fourth year in a row, sigh)

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Should I go? Is it for hippies?

Fatal Beret (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, Seattle is right after EMP (ending on the 18th). I don't think I can swing it.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

TORONTO! TORONTO! HOLY CRAP! TORONTO!
WTF is the Ricoh Coliseum though?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Does this help?: http://www.ricohcoliseum.com/04_23_04.htm

chules (chules), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:30 (twenty-two years ago)

They've got to be adding more dates eventually, right?

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Coachella is probably not for hippies. but it is for people who like to be outside for two days, ie: not me.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Here's confirmation of Coachella from MTV. (And the Pixies, too!)

chules (chules), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 18:34 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Tickets for the Seattle/Paramount theater show go on sale via Ticketmaster this Sat. (2/21) at 11am.

KRAFTWERK SEATTLE IS GO!

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)

http://moogie.info/profile/thunderbirds.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 February 2004 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I can barely work today, I'm so excited.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

KRAFTWERK SEATTLE IS GO!

Hide the porn, I'm comin' to Seattle!

jody (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-two years ago)

:(

geeta (geeta), Friday, 20 February 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

GOT MY TICKETS. (as did Elvis and jbr)

HAPPYHAPPYHAPPYHAPPYHAPPYHAPPY :)

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Why is Geeta sad?

I still need to work out getting a single-day Coachella pass here.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)

geeta, i think between me and friends, we have one 4 U...

donut bitch (donut), Saturday, 21 February 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
ZWEI TAGE!

DIE ROBOTER WERDEN UNS TANZEN MACHEN!

(Dear lord, it's coming... I cannot wait)

donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 25 April 2004 00:52 (twenty-two years ago)

The Kraftwerk show rolled into Toronto last Friday night and it was a mixed bag of tricks. The concert started at what must be assumed to have been on time, because the Ricoh Coliseum was still largely empty when the lights went down; people were still streaming in throughout the length of the show.

1) Coliseum/arena/stadium concerts fucking SUCK. The people on the floor were barely dancing, and the people in the bleacher seats were just being annoying--getting up midway through to go get food, lighting up cigarettes despite it being non-smoking, screaming out requests at the top of their lungs (as if Kraftwerk were actually taking requests, even if they could hear your stupid ass from halfway across the venue over the crowd roar). Plus the woman beside me took off halfway through the show to grab nachos, and for the next 45 minutes as she ate them I kept smelling their raunchy odor, which smelled like liquefied SWEAT SOCKS. PREVIOUSLY WORN. I cannot think of any artist so amazing that I will subject myself to this type of venue again, especially since the acoustics weren't all that great. Bummer.

2) I don't know what was up, but the band appeared to be suffering through some pretty serious technical difficulties. Because the members all stand behind their workstations onstage, there isn't really much of a stageshow from the band themselves, so it was the visuals being beamed onto the white screen behind them that was carrying the visual element. Several times the video just failed; this was most upsetting during The Robots, where it was clearly out of sync with the music and the visuals, so for 5 to 10 minutes it was just the robots twisting around on the stage, which was a serious letdown.

3) The visuals (and the robots) were surprisingly primitive considering this is 2004. There were some really well-done visuals, like the spinning pills in behind the song "Vitamin", but they tended to be looped and repeated a lot, primitive or not. As my partner pointed out, if she'd been stoned it would have been amazing, but sober it was ...well, kinda boring.

4) The new mixes were pretty cool, though the steel drum sound in "The Model" was a bit strange. I couldn't tell whether they were trying to do surround sound at a couple of points, but for the most part the audio came from the stage, and a couple of times this bizarre ricochet sound started coming directly from the back; since it wasn't consistent, it's hard to tell whether those moments were intentional or what.

5) They confiscated my digital camera on the way into the venue. (Security, not Kraftwerk.) I have one really bad shot from my cell phone camera, but it's so bad I'm not even going to bother posting it. They also poured out my partner's water, which was extra special since the line-up for really hideously expensive bottles of water was so long she just didn't even bother. And since they were serving alcohol inside, it's quite clear that the only reason they did it was to make money from the water sales. Bastards! (Another reason I hate shows like this at venues like this.)

6)Even with all of the problems...well, it was still fucking KRAFTWERK, man. So I guess it's okay.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Monday, 26 April 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

by the way, apparently they were allowing in disposable cameras in toronto...just no digital. in case yoy wanted to take pics as a memento.

sean c via cell, Monday, 26 April 2004 16:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I was at the Toronto show also ... and at the Berlin Tempodrom show last month.
Comparing the shows: the band played better at the Toronto show, the sound was better in Toronto (that is, the speakers were better, but of course the sound gets lost in such a large venue, so it's a trade-off).
Nobody danced in Berlin, either.
They had a major tech problem in Berlin too ... a problem with setting up the robots so there was a 7-8 minute delay before the second encore ... incredibly, the crowd cheered throughout the whole thing without much loss in volume level.
No problem with cameras in Berlin ... I got a few decent shots even with the low light levels.
The overall experience was better in Berlin, because it was a midnight show attended by loads of freaks and I got to stand really close and it's BERLIN.
But I'm glad I got to see them in Toronto too, where I could sit comfortably and not have to worry about taking the night bus back to work afterwards.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 26 April 2004 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

kraftwerk would be WAY more godlike if they played new york. the bastards

geeta (geeta), Monday, 26 April 2004 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe they are afraid?

hstencil, Monday, 26 April 2004 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

just got back from the seattle show...

:) :) :) :) :)

You people in SF..... GO!

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 06:51 (twenty-two years ago)

It's bizarre that the only place anyone has seemed to dance so far has been Glasgow(see other thread).

Andy Jay, Tuesday, 27 April 2004 06:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Clearly the defining cultural moment of the Seattle show was during the din of shouting, hollering, and clapping for the second encore, instead of lighters, everyone held up their lighted CELL PHONES in the air to salute the band's hopeful return to the stage.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 07:31 (twenty-two years ago)

This is depressing: I have a friend that really could've used the pick-me-up of going to the Toronto show, and I didn't even notice this thread until yesterday. :-(

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Clearly the defining cultural moment of the Seattle show was during the din of shouting, hollering, and clapping for the second encore, instead of lighters,
everyone held up their lighted CELL PHONES in the air to salute the band's hopeful return to the stage.

HAHAHAHA! That's GENIUS. Photos?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

So the prophesy was true.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah that cell phone thing was one of the weirdest things I have ever seen at a show. Has anyone else ever seen that happen? It was pretty hilarious.

For hilarity, though, the Tron outfits were pretty hard to top.

Also, for the second encore, they had these mannequin/robots playing The Robots, which for some reason wasn't at full volume. Having never seen them before, I was pretty impressed with how well put together their show was. It was a great spectacle.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, apparently the Robots part of the show has been a problem at previous shows, as far as sound problems go, which was no exception this time... my and my friends tried to fill in the vocal duties ourselves for a chorus though, so if you heard a bunch of fools singing "We are the robots.. doot Doot DAT DOOT!", that was us.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

They didn't allow cameras at the show. I didn't want to bring mine anyway, because I wanted to take the whole show in, without distractions, and knew there would be others who do the photo taking for me and better than I would, and there was.

A guy a few feet in front of me managed to sneak in a digital video camera and boot the show, so somewhere out there in the future if not already, "Kraftwerk Seattle 042604" exists/will exist as an mpg or something like that.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I want a photo of the cell phones moment. That is something truely unique to this show (for better or worse.) And would love a pic of that, if I can find it online at Kraftwerk fan sites.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 17:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I saw a ton of people around me (near the back of the floor) with cell phone cameras taking pictures, and at least a couple of bona fide cameras.

For the robots thing, it's funny to know that it was a technical problem, because I went through an elaborate thought process to determine that it was, in fact, intentional, and a commentary of some kind. At that point in the show I was standing back by the soundboard, and I kept looking over at them thinking, "Why the hell don't they turn it up?" Since neither of the guys back there appeared to be in any sort of panic, I figured it must be intentional. But this irritated me, because I kept thinking, "This is a great bit, but it would be SO much better if it were LOUD."

The conclusion I came to was that it was sort of a jokey way of saying, "Yeah, our music is electronic and we use computers and sing about robots and stuff, but you still need US, these four actual humans, to make it all work. It's not as mechanized as we sometimes make it seem. These damn robots can't do this shit by themselves."

But, obviously, I over-thought it, and it WAS just a technical glitch. Although I guess that could be a kind of commentary on its own....

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I hear ya, Scott. I felt had the problems with the PA been worked out, that would have been a climactic moment of the show... but everyone just kinda stood there feeling a bit disappointed about the lack of sound. Although I admit I kinda hope your point about this part of the performance being done on purpose sans sound were true.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone at the Seattle show note the irony of the robots being WAY more animated onstage than Kraftwerk themselves? When one of the humans even slightly turned his head, it was a momentous occasion.

Despite the technical flaws and a surprisingly punchless "Pocket Calculator," the show was enjoyable and they played many of my favorite tracks (but, alas, no "Ruckzuck," "Von Himmel Hoch" or "Klingklang"--like they even were considering doing those). Shit, I even dropped $35 on that ill bicycling shirt.

Dave Segal (Da ve Segal), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm more excited about this show (in SF) than I have been about a show in quite a while.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 19:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Anyone at the Seattle show note the irony of the robots being WAY more animated onstage than Kraftwerk themselves? When one of the humans even slightly turned his head, it was a momentous occasion.

Heh heh. It was really cool seeing Ralf sing.. especially when he slightly covered the headset mic in the middle of singing.. it was the most stylish motion of singing I have seen in a looooong time!

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anyone else interpret that hand/mouth singing gesture of Ralf's as a tribute of sorts to Rudy Vallee-style crooning into a megaphone?

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Naah, i think it was just to minimize vocal feedback.. but hey, it looked stylish, and it looked cool, so what the hey.

donut bitch (donut), Tuesday, 27 April 2004 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

He did that at the Toronto show too. For some reason I thought that was Florian for a while, because we were so far back from the stage. Now I have no clue who was who up there. Anyone know who was who up there?

They did the cell phone thing in Toronto, too. You could see a sea of cell phone screens lit up on the floor area as people tried to capture a tiny little bit of the show...no doubt vainly, in that low light.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Facing the stage, it's always Ralf on the far left, Florian on the far right. They haven't changed that in thirty years.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)

The visuals (and the robots) were surprisingly primitive considering this is 2004.

All the more reason to love it. Retrographics are infinitely cooler than some jerk showing off his skill at AfterEffects plug-ins.

Easily the best electronic show I've been to and I liked how it was mixed more like a pop concert than a bass-heavy rave.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I would have been really disappointed if they didn't have the retrographic look. I think it's just a dated aesthetic that they're attached to, and I think most people really like the aesthetic. Kraftwerk were already "behind" in music technology by the time Electric Cafe was released in 1986.... so, I think they realize, especially given how many old songs they did, that the appeal of this show and their aesthetic would be very much techno retro. And they really fulfilled that.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

although at the same time, they did do "updated" versions of their songs, but just not updated in the sense that they acknowledged recent electronica trends or the like.. which would have been even more disappointing.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

So what are Ralf and Florian doing all this time? Other than cycling?

NUMBER 1 TERRY RILEY FAN (ex machina), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

the descriptions so far sound like the 1998 show I saw, which was pretty much heaven.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 22:59 (twenty-two years ago)

good point, has anyone gone to shows from this tour and the last one?

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I am going to be there in an hour and a half!!!! I am so EXCITED!!!!

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

this was the coolest thing ever!!!

No technical glitches that I noticed

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 29 April 2004 05:38 (twenty-two years ago)

they did 'neon lights' -- I never imagined I'd ever hear them play that. '98 was a hair better for several reasons but it's an inherently impressive show.

(Jon L), Thursday, 29 April 2004 06:18 (twenty-two years ago)


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