Diminishing Returns: Can you go too deep into Music?

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This is both a practical and philosophical question I've been wondering about. Do we (and here I assume we all listen to and buy a lot) find ourselves exploring genres, buying back catalogs, going deeper into history, subgenres, side projects...

because the buying/collecting impulse can't be sated?
because there's just a whole lot of good music out there?

and a corollary: if we consume music faster than they (the musicians) can make it, will we ever reach a kind of end to the catch-up game? Does anyone feel like they're at that point already?

paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I am sure that more than 24 hours worth of music is released every day.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

In answer to the original question, I find that yes, diminishing returns does kick in if you plow the same furrow. I tend to go sideways, not deeper.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I think a lot of music collecting is just commodity fetishism. Otherwise I'd just collect mp3s. Which isn't to say that collecting is totally unrewarding.

I do find that I sometimes collect faster than I listen, which leads to a number of problems. And I've definitely tired of the "New" concept, which is altogether depressing.

I actually think I need a sabbatical or something. :-)

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

And I've definitely tired of the "New" concept, which is
altogether depressing.

I hear you there. It is an end unto itself, which if you're openly focused on that is great but otherwise gets really depressing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 17:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i definitely have more music than i have been able to sensibly listen to.

searchanddelete, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it could be said that the more music you have heard, the less satisfaction you will gain from consuming an extra unit of it. As this extra unit will be judged in the context of listening history - the "oh it sounds like X" "their last album was better" and etc can kick in. Maybe there is no cure for the jaded ear, no chance to re-capture that early state of joy in hearing things for the first time. Having said that, I do feel the decline is gradual and slight, and there is always the odd new sound to enjoy (the graph isn't in constant decline), or coming back to music after taking a break.

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I dig deeper and sideways, like a sand crab.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I'm more of a sideways digger like N. I don't have the completist impulse - the desire to own literally everything by a favorite artist. I don't buy singles just to get the B-sides. I don't seek out bootlegs, live-recordings, outtakes, etc. Usually, I figure that what they put on their albums is the stuff they felt the most confident in, and is usually the best stuff. In many cases, I'm satisfied with a Greatest Hits collection for an artist that I like. However, there are so many artists, styles, periods out there that I feel like I have plenty of room to grow before I start scraping the bottom.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The easy answer is that I'll just buy anything I enjoy hearing. I fully admit to the collector impulse - I'm a close buddy of a devoted Mo'Wax fan and picked up the bug off him, though it only extended to the stuff I genuinely enjoyed.

Also, I will happily go sideways. With most of my purchases being recent, it's great fun to explore the sample sources and inspirations of a dozen acts because that leads back into so many other artists and scenes. It can be so rewarding, as well as money and time consuming, but this way, I won't ever believe I'm gonna run out of music to explore, especially since as N said, new releases are always on the go.

o. nate also speaks for me a lot here.

Barima (Barima), Wednesday, 14 January 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I go sideways looking for new stuff and when I find something I particularly like then I'll go deeper.

When I find an artist / band I like, I will tend to get all their albums if there aren't too many of them or maybe just the acknowledged classics if that artist's back catalogue is huge.

I used to be somewhat completist about a few bands / musicians when I was younger and my tastes were narrower but I very seldom if ever get so involved as to start buying singles in order to get the 'B'-sides these days (I tend to think that if those 'B'-sides are good enough, they'll be compiled eventually and I'm happy to spend my money going sideways into other stuff until they do) let alone hunting for bootlegs and trading tapes (with the sole exception of Captain Beefheart).

As to reaching the end of the catch-up game, sometimes I feel as if I'm getting there, but then I always manage to discover something else so the end manages to remain just tantalisingly out of reach.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

It hasn't become a problem for me yet. I'm still finding new (not necessarily chronologically) things to hear that get me excited. I don't think I'm that much of a collector, either, in the purest sense. Anyway, I'm not a completist, though I might tend to go in that direction with a handful of artists. But even then, I do a much less serious job of it than other really hardcore fans.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My last year as payback for the previous fifteen to thread.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I still occaisionally get 3 (or however many) minutes of musical ecstacy every once in a while and thats what keeps me somewhat obsessive.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Thursday, 15 January 2004 00:54 (twenty-two years ago)

A couple times I dug so deep I was warned that in a few singles I would be listening to cisum, so I laid off for a couple weeks and things got better. But that's as close as I got.

Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Blasphemous though it may be, I kind of feel I am reaching a point of diminishing returns with Oum Kalthoum CDs. At 42 of them, I have enough--for now. I would love to hear the rest, but at the moment I am interested in a bit more variety. The disappointing truth is that there are still numerous songs she performed where I am just extremely baffled by the melodies and the sounds she is making. (That's not to say that I'm kidding when I say there is a core of this material that I really do connect with and enjoy immensely, but that tends to be the same group of CDs I return to repeatedly. Not that there aren't some possible newish--to me--candidates to be added to that group.) I'm feeling not particularly interested in being this challenged by the music I listen to.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Can anyone beat 42 (full-length) CDs of one artist?

Hmmm, Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

If I had more Muslimgauze I would. As it is Jandek will eventually take care of the job for me.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I think there's a thread around here about CD numbers, and there were plenty of people with more CDs than that by one artist. (Think of people like Zappa and Miles Davis.)

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, although I'm kind of getting more interested in the history of music, in general, it feels really different to me to listen to something for its historical value than to listen to it primarily for immediate enjoyment of the music. I wouldn't want my listening time to get too eaten up by historical listening.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Tuesday, 20 January 2004 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)


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