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considering the philosophy or disposition or whatever of ilm, i kind of assume people like it as a sort of "oh, yeah, pop music-- yes, contrary to popular belief, it can be just as good as any obscure experimental music. and public enemy had a good message and there were crazy beats with sirens and i think crunk is kind of funny." but not, like, excited about it anymore, really, for the most part, giving up on it the instant it turns into teutonic volksstomp or whatever and jumping on the accents-and-awkward-rhymes-over-skittery-beats bandwagon.

so, why do you not care about rap music/why did you stop caring about it and then say bad things about it? or why can't you care more? or, if your window of opportunity to care about it has passed, why didn't you care about it when you had the opportunity? it's not like you have to care but lots of people do. i guess english people shouldn't really answer. they can answer if they pretend to be north americans or comment on the answers of north americans or they could answer if they're english but they've lived in north america for a long time. holly valance is a fit bird, eh.

sorted.

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

andre on muchvibe right now playing pool while namugenyi watched him: "it's stagnant right now. i compare it to when the blues turned into rock n' roll and when jazz turned into be-bop, hip-hop need to turn into something." (she then asks him how he feels about being called a genius. "well, you know. to me genius is like-- it's effortless. but i know how hard it is for us." that's exact. did "us" = "geniuses.")

google search for "Andre Outkast stagnant" in search of an actual quote from him: every single review of the cd calls hip-hop stagnant.

jay-z in xxl: "i like fucking coldplay and shit. and i'm still on jill scott's whole album. and i like john mayer, surprisingly. i think that's fresh, i'll fuck wth him."

others.

other than music writers and aging, out-of-touch millionaires with ten year old careers, who thinks that it's stagnant? why is no one up in murder dog saying "yeah, i'm kind of not feeling that shit anymore-- have you ever heard of the matthew good band? and michelle branch, she's fresh"?

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:44 (twenty-two years ago)

????!

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

has any mainstream US rapper ever said they LOOOVE Radiohead?

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i wrote a long thing about being excited about listening to houston rap a little while ago and part of it said:

I'm not real but that shit is real for me. Every track I hear, every freestyle, everything, everything all builds the thing for me. Everything I get to hear I play over and over again, rewind, rewind, rewind, figuring it all out, where that sample's from, what that "wet 'em up like a sherm sweet" line is from, why he's dissing Z-Ro, playing it in my car for months. When you get a new name from wherever, Murder Dog, messageborad, radio, searching KaZaA for every freestyle you can get, figuring out who he is, what neighbourhood he's from, who he rolls with. Just getting every single new track. I have to hear everything.

and i'm already less enthusiastic about it. it's one thing after another. so, i look stupid when i've been all "yeah, illmatic = greatest album ever released" and loving cash money and then it's just-- there's always something after and i don't care about the thing before it. it's just so exciting to hear everything. i can't imagine anyone listening to shitty grime over all this shit and then badmouthing it and shit and not giving a fuck. that stuff sounds like the wildstyle station on vice city to me. every city in america is making records for you and you want to ruin your life searching for tinchy strider mp3s? every city in america is crying out for you to listen. why do you want to break my heart?

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, without a doubt.

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:53 (twenty-two years ago)

cloverland is ripping shit up in a way, good show. I've got no time to respond now but as for the Jay-Z comments, there is such a thing as reverse-wiggaism (where 'class' and maturity are misguidedly idealized hence John Mayer/Coldplay love)

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)

and udu try not to type ??? as a standalone snakry response, it irritates me more than ...

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.gifs.net/animate/granny.gif
i said a hip hop the hippie the hippie
to the hip hip hop, a you dont stop
the rock it to the bang bang boogie say up jumped the boogie
to the rhythm of the boogie, the beat

― , Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

omg taste in being subjective shocker, dk still being white canadian kid with prophet/messiah complex shocker, ilx in going in circles shocker, fuck this bullshit shocker.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:08 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha I was wondering why these nearly incomprehensible at times sentiments sounded so familiar. I should have immediately guessed dk.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, i just don't get the point: your knowledge of other music outside of rap and the differing social structures surrounding it - via the casual namedrops if nothing else - means you can't play yr beloved faux-naif card anymore...you obviously understand concepts like subjective taste and social context and personal hirearchies...and yet and yet. you're about as far away from houston - socially, geographically - as i am from london, and yet you feel a deep connection with a music that has no obvious direct bearing on how you live your life. so...where's the catch? am i missing something? is it just more jingoistic bullshit on behalf of a favorite music? (also, what the fuck is with the yahoo.co.uk email address?)

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

all mixtape scenes seem fascinating at first but then the lack of quality control always kills my excitement. i tried to get into the houston scene but i just ended up being into the swisha house stuff and not much else. those lil flip mixtapes are awful.

― joshd, Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

haha Matthew Good Band. The writer must be Canadian.

― sym (shmuel), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh fuck did I just back that guy that's into preteen porn?

SHIT!

I do agree with him on a few things though.

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah he's canadian, there's a few Muchmusic references, which is odd, because Canada sucks unless you're American and like preciousness.

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Or you are American and like healthcare.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Canada's not so bad (xpost)...But Matthew Good certainly is

― sym (shmuel), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Not really. Our healthcare is way too mythologized and it's all gonna be gone soon anyway. I pay for 80% of my meds.

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ummm, but he's English.

― the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

isn't he?

― the baby from three men and a baby, but all growed up (nordicskilla), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I'M BRIAN FELLOW!

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

80% of your meds which cost you half as much as they would in the states. . . gosh I wonder how much of America would like that deal.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

alo, i think dk seriously overestimates the thrills of living in clear channel's america. it's not as if i can turn on my radio in pennsylvania and hear lil flip freestyles. it's still just as much of an indie-obscurantist/mp3/mailorder/dingy speciality store thing as anything he'd likely diss most of us for listening to.

x-post, no he's not english.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh just stop getting sick then already. xp

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay fine Alex, I'll be serious. I'm only saying this stuff because many americans treat Canada like a cute little indie happyland and huge chunks of our culture de-testicles itself to make the image work. But yeah, there's no fucking way I'd leave Canada for the States.

― Le Coq (DarrenK), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

geographically: i live closer to houston than i do to the capital of my country.

socially: i am an authentic worker.

i guess i shouldn't put too much emphasis on the fact that most grime mcs are black and urban. right? that doesn't matter. it's the sounds and it's all subjective and it's not really real, no one is suffering, everything is fine, he's from hackney and he hacks knees, how clever. okay. i get it. subjective. faux-naif. hierarchies.

come on, you know i've admitted to faking it a bit. don't be so prickly. are you still upset about me not knowing who nelson were?

i was just wondering if hip-hop was really stagnant and why lots of a certain type of people say that they don't care about it. like, why didn't they get super interested in it since it was a major cultural force thing, i guess, and lots of people did and like it a lot. i'm not sure what the question was.

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I think of Canada as a place where many things are much nicer/progressive/socially decent/rational aka better than the US. But only idiots think other countries (or any country) are/is perfect.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Someone once told me rap music died when it stopped being black people talking and turned into white people talking.

― Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Best topic title evah! ;)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:56 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe this is obvious, but andre isn't calling himself a genius in that quote - he's saying music is too difficult for him for that to be true.

― dave k, Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I challenge cloverlandthug to find any evidence on this board that people who once "cared" about hip-hop are now completely dismissive of it. Not people who think (somewhat unsurprisingly given that a number of ILM/X faves dropped what were considered somewhat disappointing albums this year) that hip-hop had a weak year and not people who (OHMYFUCKINGGOD) are into other stuff which had stronger years in their opinion (grime, dancehall, whatever) but people who have flat out stated that they just don't care about hip-hop at all anymore. Fuckin' ask Jay-Z and Timberland why they don't care at all about hip-hop. I'm sure they'll love you for it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha Timberland.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

like, why didn't they get super interested in it since it was a major cultural force thing, i guess,

'Cause I don't give a damn about cultural forces and shit. Why would you like music because of that?

― Adam Michel (adam michel), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

dk i made my attempt to reason with you but you're clearly batshit

"i am an authentic worker"

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

He follows the queen!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:21 (twenty-two years ago)

anyway, alex in sf basically otm: find me one hip-hop fan on ilm who completely dismisses it now. for chrissakes i had three hip-hop albums in my top 10 (and a lot more in the running), and frankly i don't give a flying fuck if it's "acceptable hip-hop" by whatever obscurantist screwston criterion you want to throw at me. which i guess makes me nate defending mf doom or whatever against the ilm boogeyman, but christ it's pretty fucking weird when i have to be a reverse-pop-apologist for shit they play on the radio and mtv.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

alex! timbaland and jay-z really do love being asked if hip-hop sucks. interviewers love asking, too. if you asked either of them why they didn't care about hip-hop anymore it would go like this: "i love hip-hop but it lost it's path-- house parties in the summer and no one came through with a gun it was all about the music ya'll and it helped to relieve some stress whatever HIP HOP HASS CHAAANGED."

(Old school rap comes up and all the 30+ former listeners who normally dis rap come out of the woodwork all teary-eyed and opinionated.)
-- Rockist Scientist, December 10th, 2003.

there's a lot of that. and a lot of plain disinterest and little comments about why does nelly have to run a credit card through a woman's buttocks and occasional eruptions. but mainly disinterest, i guess. look at the threads like "what would your ideal mc never rhyme about" and the ones about wanting sad hip-hop.

xpost: i didn't say "completely dismisses." but, you know that your tastes and ilm's tastes in hip-hop differ hugely from, like, everyone, right? and, also, americans like dizzee rascal because his cd sounds like early80s new york hip-hop, right?

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

that was my first time doing the "xpost" thing!

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

what exactly is your point that my tastes differs from "everyones" when your thread opened with a question directed to "you"?

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

p.s. stop jacking ethan's posting style and opinions from two years ago and making them incomprehensible and annoying.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to mention myself as an example. (I'm hardly typical ILM though, am I?)

― Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank you, Jess, I was just thinking that myself.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The regs on this board that get real personal CRACK ME UP.

― adam michel (adam michel), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(I know that was dumb)

― adam michel (adam michel), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:45 (twenty-two years ago)

very.

― fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

very.
-- fiddo centington (dubplatestyl...), January 15th, 2004 4:46 AM.

lol

― adam michel (adam michel), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Hm.

(Perhaps a side note, I don't know, but...MTV rockism applied to rap circa 1994?)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

is your only knowledge of opinions outside of musicwritersunassumingwhiteguy ethan (and he writes for pitchfork!) (jess: "hey, i read that jay-z and nas thread, too, sometimes-- but goddamn do they not have enter keys??") and overhearing people in mcdonald's or whatever?

jess: "wow, you like rap?? i know this guy named ethan who likes rap. do you like the beatnuts, too?"

― cloverlandthug, Thursday, 15 January 2004 04:50 (twenty-two years ago)

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let us not forget the infamous 50 cent anal sex slash

― strongohulkington, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, i wish i could forget, but since it's in there

― strongohulkington, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:01 (eighteen years ago)

How exactly is one supposed to respond to that post, deej?

― Alex in SF, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

also, how quickly deej found that post = O_o

― strongohulkington, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

inappropriatedkposts.xls

― strongohulkington, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

I completely missed all of this

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

Hahaha

― Alex in SF, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

search function for 'freeway' works, dudes

― deej, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

can't say I really care either (internet poster likes to discuss strange sexual proclivities shockah)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

How exactly is one supposed to respond to that post, deej?

-- Alex in SF, Friday, July 6, 2007 10:08 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

o_O

― deej, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

i guess ilx was a lot less meta then

― deej, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

yeah honestly dk would still probably just barely make the top 5 list of ilx's most TMI posters.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:18 (eighteen years ago)

sounds like a poll

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:23 (eighteen years ago)

surely the most interesting thing is the native american hooker handjob story

? not seeing any mention of race in his hooker post

― am0n, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

i think thats from an old govt names post

― deej, Friday, 6 July 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

yeah i might have gotten the hooker stories mixed up

― strongohulkington, Saturday, 7 July 2007 00:14 (eighteen years ago)

he's still around here sometimes, he posted in one of the rap threads earlier this year

― deej, Saturday, 7 July 2007 00:17 (eighteen years ago)

who are these people that don't like "I Got 5 On It"?!?
-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, July 6, 2007 2:01 PM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i hate them and ill kill them

― max, Saturday, 7 July 2007 04:21 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Results 1 - 10 of about 54,500 for you can't spell crap without rap

― omar little, Saturday, 22 November 2008 01:16 (seventeen years ago)

i started a thread like this once! oh the shame.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 22 November 2008 01:57 (seventeen years ago)

holly valance is a fit bird, eh.

― is that my man hannity?? (deej), Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:02 (seventeen years ago)

yeah honestly dk would still probably just barely make the top 5 list of ilx's most TMI posters.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, July 6, 2007 3:18 PM (1 year ago)

sounds like a poll

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, July 6, 2007 3:23 PM (1 year ago)

would vote

― velko, Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:11 (seventeen years ago)

― Old Fart!!! (oldfart_sd)

― eman, Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:14 (seventeen years ago)

sounds like a poll

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, July 6, 2007 3:23 PM (1 year ago)

posts very much in ... dom's character

― is that my man hannity?? (deej), Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:16 (seventeen years ago)

Scarfy Mo Collier

― velko, Saturday, 22 November 2008 02:19 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070705082912AAP0tS2

― is it really that hard to spot all these fake british dudes? (velko), Thursday, 6 May 2010 02:56 (sixteen years ago)

Metal owns?

― hell and the handbaskets (electricsound), Thursday, 6 May 2010 02:58 (sixteen years ago)

lol... maybe they are afraid of dancing.

― in movie 2001 resurrect thread on planet jupiter (Pillbox), Thursday, 6 May 2010 02:59 (sixteen years ago)

http://avatars.zenfs.com/users/1lYpl1W8lAAQDJCErkIoG8knKCbM6fg==.medium.png

― is it really that hard to spot all these fake british dudes? (velko), Thursday, 6 May 2010 02:59 (sixteen years ago)

Here in Michigan where I live all white boys like rap and some of the black boys like country. I guess we are just a little more versitile here in Michigan.

― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:00 (sixteen years ago)

I GUESS YOU ARE JUST A LITTLE MORE VERSITILE THERE IN MICHIGAN

― Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:01 (sixteen years ago)

maybe I should go to michigan, where the boys are versatile

― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Thursday, 6 May 2010 03:10 (sixteen years ago)

"versatile" is always a front iukwim

― plax (ico), Thursday, 6 May 2010 17:47 (sixteen years ago)

songs CAN be sung about ANY subject, but there is NOTHING melodic in Rap... it is all truly GARBAGE....

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 17:49 (sixteen years ago)

yah like rap is 4 dicktard w. no fucking ears b i thot that went w/o saying

― plax (ico), Thursday, 6 May 2010 17:50 (sixteen years ago)

a lot of white boys like to make themselves sound big by saying a "bad word" like "crap"

― This is four-dimensional art; the 4th dimension is incredibly powerful. (Abbott), Thursday, 6 May 2010 19:38 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

there's some excellent rap/hip-hop stuff out there if you look hard enough...

i'm sure almost all you guys have heard of THE ROOTS - those guys kick butt.

― more than ever convinced ilxor is a sock (ilxor), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 04:06 (fifteen years ago)

IM LEARING TO TROLL

― am0n, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 04:14 (fifteen years ago)

more than ever convinced ilxor is a troll

haha xp

― avinha, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 04:18 (fifteen years ago)

i don't think there's anywhere in canada that's closer to houston than to ottawa.......

― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, 12 October 2010 14:42 (fifteen years ago)

Warning, worst thing ever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5DpOVdUuas

― A brownish area with points (chap), Tuesday, 12 October 2010 15:16 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100706184358AAEOLEL

― buzza, Saturday, 25 December 2010 01:32 (fifteen years ago)

I'm an old gal and I'm an old lady.
Don't like rap; don't like Slim Shady.
That rappin' stuff is total elementary.
Any fool can do it; just add a complementary.
Open your trap and shout out some obscenity;
Then add a rhyme to give it your identity.
Now talk about hate and guns and crime.
Just make dang sure that you end with a rhyme.

― The Reverend, Saturday, 25 December 2010 06:36 (fifteen years ago)

otm

― BIG SANTA aka the sleighdriver (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 25 December 2010 06:39 (fifteen years ago)

i don't think there's anywhere in canada that's closer to houston than to ottawa.......

― m0stlyClean, Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:42 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark

lol

― once more Jagger faps the hivemind (symsymsym), Saturday, 25 December 2010 06:44 (fifteen years ago)

seven months pass...

pop music? more like POOP MUSIC!

― dayo, Sunday, 7 August 2011 03:18 (fourteen years ago)

rock music? more like rofl music

― Autism Alamac (some dude), Sunday, 7 August 2011 23:58 (fourteen years ago)

^^ there was a really good huge jam on this theme on ilm not so long ago

― back in a .gif ;) (flopson), Monday, 8 August 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)

recall someone saying pop music more like *plop* music

― back in a .gif ;) (flopson), Monday, 8 August 2011 00:33 (fourteen years ago)

How much worse can that new music blog Idolator get?

― back in a .gif ;) (flopson), Monday, 8 August 2011 00:40 (fourteen years ago)

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