do jam band kids give a fuck about the '60s?

Does this have something to do with "Granola"?

You sick fuck.

(My idea of a beautiful musical fantasy involves Marc Almond as an angel landing on stage during a climactic H.O.R.D.E. jam performance, sprinkling sequins on everyone, turning them into extras from a Kenneth Anger film and then breaking into a sleazed-up happy hardcore rampage through "Living After Midnight.")

you know, dylan and quicksilver messenger service and shit

Jam band kids = the '60s plus Van Halen and disco.

Wow, jam bands sound a lot better on paper than they do in practice! That's a great equation...too bad it doesn't equal better music.

Jam bands = the 60s + Van Halen + disco + the total inability to edit themselves or distinguish a great idea from a shitty one

is it?

just... bah, nevermind.

the jam band kids i know are into the dead, allman bros, mr. neil young, etc. but NEVER as much as they're into phish/string cheese incident/the slip/dmb, whatever. they're like the punx who "respect minor threat" but still think NOFX is the epitome of punkness.

LOTS of whiteboy dreadlocks, pants made out of patches, drum circles, etc.

Sure, but its one of my least favorites on the 'audial spectrum' and I will say as much given the opportunity. (SHOCKAH)

You forgot the Blueshammer sensibility.

At the end of the night Doug was too stoned to drive but neither I nor my other friend knew how to drive stick shift. So Doug drove 40 miles an hour on the Turnpike the whole way home and still nearly hit a concrete divider in the middle of the road.

a-prolly not, and ditto.

went thru perhaps the quickest 'scuzz-hippy' phase @ age 15. but, it was more anti-current phase of 'hippy'. we just did more LSD and listened to more hard rawk...bought the drugs off the hippies.

then, heroin came to town...........

I'm never going to get those years back.

JUST GO DIE ALREADY.

you beat me to it. ouch.

man. a good chunk of my friends up here fall into this jam band fan caregory. most of them like jam bands like moe or string cheese or phish or whatever, but i'd say a majority of them dig indie music and electronic and hip hop as well. radiohead, sigur ros, boards of canada, of montreal, the shins, the postal service, sufjan, dj shadow, wu tang, mf doom. the most popular album around here i can think of of the past year is M.I.A.'s arular. that and soundtribesector9's artifact.

whoever it was that said that at least the jam kids are generally more open-minded than punk or scene kids was pretty much on the mark.

Name me some good heavy medal bands!

Back this statement up with non-horseshit, please.

I have never heard this acid=real 60s hippie and shrooms=jam band neo-hippie. I have had some seriously fucked-up trips when shrooming.

I saw the first HORDE tour back in...wha...92? Spin Doctors, Phish, Blues Traveler, Col. Bruce Hampton, Widespread Panic. And I must admit; Widespread Panic were a cut above most of those groups, and they were probably quite in tune with classic hippie jamming. They even did this great J.J. Cale tune, "Travelin' Light".

I've known a lot of jam band freaks. They probably have slighty more of a wide-ranging interest than most music fans, but in the end they're just as close-minded as everyone else. I guess that they profess to be open-minded is what's annoying. Personally I hate how things get 'blessed' by jam bands and then it's ok for their fans to like it. Like how most Phish fans like "Remain in Light" or "Loving Cup", stuff they would never have gave two shits about if it wasn't for Phish covering them. I tried playing the rest of Exile to a bunch of jam band kids once, they absolutely hated the record and called the Stones' version "weird and not as good as Trey." I'm not making this up.

Is that Col. Bruce & ARU debut record actually a live record, or just pasted on crowd noise ala Ultravisitor? It sounds very suspicious and there's a couple of parts where you can hear the crowd noise edits.

Generally, jamband fans love Grateful Dead. SCI people, WSP people, Bisco, Phish, STS9, etc. A lot of them end up listening to Live/Dead, American Beauty, and an assortment of early '70s bootlegs. They become curious about certain things ... they learn that Phil Lesh studied under Luciano Berio and see a semi-familiar name, Steve Reich, mentioned as a classmate; they check him out, love him, and start searching out similar artists. They learn that Jerry Garcia had a major hard-on for jazz and bluegrass/folk/old-devotional stuff. They find out that a Miles Davis band opened for the Grateful Dead at the Fillmore in the late '60s; they listen to some Miles Davis stuff from that era, are blown away, and end up falling in love w/ all Miles stuff pre-'80s. They find out that Dancing in the Streets is a cover, listen to the Marvin Gaye version, love it, and start making their way through Motown; or, they hear Promised Land and check out Chuck Berry. Etc., etc. I think you all see where I'm going with this. And lord knows how many jamband fans fell in love w/ the Velvet Underground after Phish covered Loaded ... and ended up loving Velvet Underground and Nico or White Light/White Heat (not to mention falling head-over-heels for John Cale and Lou Reed's solo work later on). Anyway, there are a lot of jamband fans who have a nice feel for the history of '60s music, mostly owed to the Grateful Dead

Jamband kids are still somewhat culpable for the tons of awful jamband music, and I also understand the VU opposition to the San Fran scene AND punk's disdain for all things hippie (amonst other things) also plays a big part in jam's marginal ILM position. Rightfully so. I'm just saying that Tom Rumsby doesn't speak for every1.

Generally, jamband fans love Grateful Dead. SCI people, WSP people, Bisco, Phish, STS9, etc. A lot of them end up listening to Live/Dead, American Beauty, and an assortment of early '70s bootlegs. They become curious about certain things ... they learn that Phil Lesh studied under Luciano Berio and see a semi-familiar name, Steve Reich, mentioned as a classmate; they check him out, love him, and start searching out similar artists. They learn that Jerry Garcia had a major hard-on for jazz and bluegrass/folk/old-devotional stuff. They find out that a Miles Davis band opened for the Grateful Dead at the Fillmore in the late '60s; they listen to some Miles Davis stuff from that era, are blown away, and end up falling in love w/ all Miles stuff pre-'80s. They find out that Dancing in the Streets is a cover, listen to the Marvin Gaye version, love it, and start making their way through Motown; or, they hear Promised Land and check out Chuck Berry. Etc., etc. I think you all see where I'm going with this. And lord knows how many jamband fans fell in love w/ the Velvet Underground after Phish covered Loaded ... and ended up loving Velvet Underground and Nico or White Light/White Heat (not to mention falling head-over-heels for John Cale and Lou Reed's solo work later on). Anyway, there are a lot of jamband fans who have a nice feel for the history of '60s music, mostly owed to the Grateful Dead

Jamband kids are still somewhat culpable for the tons of awful jamband music, and I also understand the VU opposition to the San Fran scene AND punk's disdain for all things hippie (amongst other things) also plays a big part in jam's marginal ILM position. Rightfully so. I'm just saying that Tom Rumsby doesn't speak for every1.

My jam-band-listening friends loved Exile cover to cover and didn't need Phish to know about the fucking Rolling Stones. These days, they listen mostly to indie rock.

I like the VU show now as well as the TH show. Still not too crazy about the Beatles show, but having recently heard the White Album again, I'm inclined to say I like Phish's version better. I hate that album!

Wheres geir?

If we're talking jamband knowledge deficiencies, I might throw in practically all the psyche that ever appeared on nuggets and pebbles type compilations and countless non-popular bands from the 50's to the present. But, that's a lot of people. I think jammy type people in general like music that makes them feel good and flows freely, not angular bashing, stomping and raging caveman "good," but more like harmonious and tranquil "good." You know, what some people call "boring."