3rd Bass: C/D?

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Fuck an Eminem. Wassup with this white chocolate?

angel duster, Wednesday, 28 January 2004 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to say classic. Thus, anyone who disagrees earns the gas face.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, the cactus album is classic. also gets props for KMD involvement.

mullygrubber (gaz), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Serch in the A.M.

Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Rollins as Vanilla Ice in the "Pop Goes the Weasel" vid?
Derelicts of Dialect?
Classic!

Ben Boyer (Ben Boyer), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

It's really a shame they probably wouldn't let you beat the shit out of your rival at the end of a video these days.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i might even have that pete nice & daddy rich album on cassette somewhere. i can't remember what it sounds like. fun lovin' criminals totally stole his dead end kids/hoodlum vibe.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:45 (twenty-two years ago)

MC Serch dancing is fucking hilarious. In some ways even funnier than when Vanilla Ice does. In some ways.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:46 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think there's a hook in earshot on that pete nice record scott. it was better than the serch record though.

mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The Cactus Album is damn fine. Thanks to Dead Prez for pointing me in the direction of that one.

Lynskey (Lynskey), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, i can't remember listening to it much(the pete nice solo). i seem to remember something about negro league baseball that made me roll my eyes at the time. serch dancing IS a hoot. doesn't he dance in the brooklyn queens video? i love that video. i like pete nice in the middle of the street on his throne.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Does the Gas Face entail waving your hand in front of your face like the offending person farted, actually farting in the offending person's face, or something else? I sadly haven't actually heard the song (though I did own the cassingle for "Pop Goes The Weasel" as a kid).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

crazy, I have been listening to these guys for years and never even considered what they looked like.

Former Supposed So Called Nihilist Teenage Drug Disco Addiction Counselor (mjt), Thursday, 29 January 2004 01:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Cactus Album = classic. Some dope Bomb Squad production on it too.

The video for the Gas Face is fucking great.

djdee2005, Thursday, 29 January 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

i think the bomb squad only did steppin to the am.

mullygrubber (gaz), Thursday, 29 January 2004 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Also did "Oval Office" if I recall...maybe one or two other tracks? Pete Nice and Sam Sever prod. most of it tho.

djdee2005, Thursday, 29 January 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

The Pete Nice solo album had some nice production, but mullygrubber is otm about the total dearth of hooks. However, I really like the posse cut ("Back to the Grill") on the Serch album.

pudding (js williams), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

hammer threatened to kill them, didn't he?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 29 January 2004 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

What ever happened to Sam Sever?? He was brilliant...I remember that song by his group Downtown Science called Radioactive that sampled Emminence Front by the Who....

All his stuff on the first 3rd Bass is classic tracks....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:40 (twenty-two years ago)

oh man....classic.

Chris V (Chris V), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Man, if i hadn't heard the album a week ago, I'd say CLASSIC. But having heard it again for the first time in 10 years, I have to say DUD. I loved the CACTUS ALBUM when it came out. But shit, it hasnt aged well at all.

Really WACK rimes, bad beats and HELLS filler.

There are like 4 good songs on it (gasface, brooklyn queens, step into the a.m., triple stage of darkness)...not a very consistent album. And all you haterz that disagree need to give Cactus another spin, and holla back.


Pete Nice gets the gasface.

ddb, Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I've listened to it recently (i picked up a new euro vinyl pressing), and I hear what you're sayign about Pete Nice not aging well....he sounds so constipated....Serch has diminshed with time as well....bbbbbuuuuttt the beats are still ace all killa no filla.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)

This VERSE annoys me to NO end:

On the streets of far Rockaway Queens
Seagram Boulevard, B-17
Redfern houses where no MC would ever go
Is where I did my very first show
Had the crowd had the rhymes going, I never fess
(His reward, was almost a bullet in his chest)
And on that stage, is where I first learned
Stick out my chest to be a kid and get burned
You're so foolish, but I think you knew this
That on the the microphone punk I can do this
And doing this, is what life meant
Cause I'm a product, of the environment




When Pete Nice says "(His reward, was almost a bullet in his chest)
"...a little piece of me dies.

ddb, Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

a little piece of me dies.

wow, it doesn't take much for pieces of you to die I guess.

I like that verse alright

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Get off my jock b.

http://www.twistedfans.com/011023/0110231.jpg

Chris V (Chris V), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The Downtown Science album is great! As is The Cactus Album!

Best part of the Gas Face video: Erick Sermon singing "Get the gas face, get the gas face, get the gaaaaaaaaaaaas face... get the bozack." (One thing I never figured out: Why did they give Lroy/Lyor? Cohen the gas face -- or was that a joke?)

These kids today -- you tell them to get the bozack, and all you get is a blank look back. On the other hand, every Friday is Gas Face Friday on Serch in the A.M.; people call in to give the gas face to somebody. So at least young Detroiters know about the gas face.

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:37 (twenty-two years ago)

His reward, was almost a bullet in his chest = Some of my best friends are black...or any other sweeping racist sentiment.


Like, we're white, and we went to the projects and ALMOST got shot.

ddb, Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I.M.H.O.

ddb, Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Lyor Cohen got that gas face cause he's a money grubbing cracka!

Bumpy Knuckles (Oops), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Two basses can be fun, but three? That's just stupid. Buy a guitar.

Stupid (Stupid), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Sam Sever did some shit for Mo'Wax in the mid-'90s--I have "Do You Understand?" and "What's That Sound" on label comps (Headz 2A and The Story of Mo'Wax, respectively). I loved those songs at the time but now not quite as much. But yeah, the Downtown Science album is great, especially the totally blatant "Lyrics of Fury" ripoff that closes it!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:39 (twenty-two years ago)

thx matos...I will track those down....He's prob. the most overlooked great producer of the "golden age" (whatever that is) of hip hop....

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

By Nekesa Mumbi Moody,
Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Edgar Bronfman Jr.
has lured Lyor Cohen away from
Island Def Jam Music Group to head
Bronfman's recently acquired
Warner Music Group, it was
announced Sunday.

The move reunites Cohen with
Bronfman, who led a group of
investors that purchased Warner
Music Group in November for $2.6
billion. The pair worked together
when Bronfman was head of the
Universal media conglomerate, until
Bronfman sold all of those music,
film, TV and theme-park assets to
the French company Vivendi in 2000.

"I've worked with Lyor since'98,"
Bronfman told The Associated
Press in a conference call Sunday
morning. "It's a fantastic opportunity
to join forces."

Cohen is a brash, legendary figure
in the rap industry who started with
the pioneering Def Jam Records 21
years ago. He will become one of
the top music executives in the world
at a time when the industry is facing
significant restructuring and
cost-cutting challenges in the face of
declining sales and music
downloading.

He was able to avoid the fate of
other prominent label heads who
have fallen victim to the changing
times, such as Tommy Mottola,
ousted from atop Sony Music, and
Antonio "L.A." Reid, who was let go
by Arista.

"Lyor Cohen runs things in a way the
other guys can't," his longtime friend
and business partner Russell
Simmons said in a statement.
"When most people throw money at
things, Lyor throws creativity ... his
vision is just different. You have to
find new ways to do things. You have
to be creative. The whole business
needs to be revamped and Lyor
knows how to do this -- and that's
why this new job is perfect for him."

Cohen's first job in entertainment
was running a nightclub in Los
Angeles. In the early 1980s he came
to New York and wangled a job with
Simmons' management company,
starting as road manager for
Run-DMC.

Soon after, Simmons founded the
pioneering Def Jam Records, which
launched the careers of LL Cool J,
the Beastie Boys, Public Enemy and
many others. Cohen made himself
so indispensable that Simmons
gave him equity in the company --
which they sold to Universal for $130
million in 1999.

Universal then merged Def Jam with
Island Records and put Cohen in
charge, making him responsible for
acts far beyond rap.

Cohen said leaving Def Jam after 21
years was a rare chance that he
couldn't pass up.

"I was presented with an
extraordinary opportunity to continue
growing my career," he said. "I know
everybody is encouraging me to take
the next step in my career."

Cohen said he would not be taking
top Island Def Jam executives with
him.

"As far as I'm concerned, there's a
bunch of breaking artists at the
companies and the executives need
to focus on that company and do a
good job for them," he said.

"I think this is a great opportunity for
those left at the company to really
get their shine and do a great job."

In a statement, Universal Music
Group said: "We thank Lyor for his
many valuable contributions over the
last several years and wish him only
the very best in his new endeavor.
We will be announcing plans for
Island Def Jam shortly."

A source familiar with Universal said
the company was pursuing Reid to
take Cohen's position. Although
Arista reportedly lost more than
$100 million under Reid, his track
record of multiplatinum successes
includes Pink, Avril Lavigne, Usher
and the Grammy-nominated
OutKast.

Bronfman's purchase of Warner
Music Group instantly created one of
the world's largest music
companies. Warner's share of the
market is second only to Universal;
as of last November, Warner had
approximately 18 percent of overall
market share, while Universal had
about 28 percent, according to
Nielsen SoundScan.

Among the top artists on Warner's
roster include Madonna, Missy
Elliott, Faith Hill, matchbox twenty,
Kid Rock, Staind and Metallica. Its
recent success include crooner
Josh Groban, who recently held the
No. 1 position on the album charts.

However, the company has had
recent disappointments; Madonna's
"American Life" last year sold poorly,
and recent releases by Kid Rock
and Elliott have not been top sellers.

Still, Cohen said the company was
"very very well right now," and said
he looked forward to forging a close
relationship with the stars at the
label.

Although Island Def Jam's roster
ranges from the multiplatinum
Nickelback to critically acclaimed
singer-songwriter Ryan Adams, its
greatest strength has been its rap
and urban music divisions, which
Cohen is credited with boosting.
Cohen's 50-50 partnership with The
Inc., then known as Murder Inc., gave
the company hit acts Ja Rule and
Ashanti.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Edgar Bronfman Jr. gets the gas face

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow Andy, I had no idea Serch was on Strong Songs now! Wild.

Broheems (diamond), Thursday, 29 January 2004 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Edgar Broughton does NOT get the gas face.

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 January 2004 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The key to spring is no longer red, black and green, broheems -- IT'S NOT A GAME!!!!

Andy K (Andy K), Thursday, 29 January 2004 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Two basses can be fun, but three? That's just stupid. Buy a guitar.

-- Stupid (nottellin...), January 29th, 2004 2:18 PM. (Stupid) (later) (link)

BIG BOTTOM!!!!

J (Jay), Thursday, 29 January 2004 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Can someone please answer my question as to what the Gas Face actually is? Please?

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 January 2004 22:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It's what you do when you smell a fart, ie frown, turn up nose, cringe.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 29 January 2004 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

ok yeah I figured it was either that or farting in someone's face. Thanks!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 29 January 2004 22:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of Prince Paul's finest production work was with 3rd Bass too.

angel duster, Thursday, 29 January 2004 23:19 (twenty-two years ago)

According to the video, apparently the Gas Face involves shaking your head back and forth rapidly and letting your cheeks and lips flap like Nixon having a spaz-fit. This is accompanied by what sounds sort of like an inverted raspberry "bbbbbbbbbblllllllll" noise.

D: near-inexplicable Beastie hate in Cactus leadoff track "Sons of 3rd Bass" (albeit nimbly-worded; if you're the Second White MC Act Ever* you need to prove you're not a Beastie Boys knockoff somehow)

C: Their "Pop Goes the Weasel" video which not only featured Rollins as Van Winkle getting punked out, but also had RAMPAGING GIANT FERRETS

*maybe not, but I'd like to think they were and ignore the whole Rappin' Rodney thing

nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 30 January 2004 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
CONTROVERSY.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 14 May 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

that definitely isn't him. but i think the key is this guy's self-stated eagerness to believe. presumably they dressed some dude up like him and brought him on stage to make fun of him and this guy wasn't in on the joke like other people there were. or maybe it was some random dude who dressed up like him on his own, and they were like awesome and put him on stage.

gabbneb, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

D: near-inexplicable Beastie hate in Cactus leadoff track "Sons of 3rd Bass" (albeit nimbly-worded; if you're the Second White MC Act Ever* you need to prove you're not a Beastie Boys knockoff somehow)

i always wondered about that. and i always wondered if adam yauch's verse (the one with "i'm badass, move your fat ass 'cause you're wack, son/dancing around like you think you're janet jackson") on "professor booty" was a response.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Weren't the Beasties still considrered to be fratboy whitey sellouts back then (and even today)? So dissing them is a kinda obvious way to prove that you're "real" hip-hoppers, and not some novelty white guys.

Tuomas, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

It was due to pre-existing bad blood between MC Serch and the Beastie Boys, plus 3rd Bass were signed to Def Jam as a deliberate "fuck you, we can find some other white guys" riposte to the Beasties when they left.

Dom Passantino, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

OH HI WIKIPEDIA (duh):

As reported in many interviews, MC Serch at one point tried (unsuccessfully) to join the Beastie Boys. Upon signing to Def Jam, 3rd Bass inherited their label's feud with the Beasties. The Cactus Album was released shortly after the Beastie Boys walked out of their contract with the label (high on mega-success of Licensed to Ill). 3rd Bass' debut featured numerous derogatory remarks about the group and their defection to Capitol Records. The Beastie Boys retaliated on their early 1990s release Check Your Head. Their song "Professor Booty" takes a clear swipe at MC Serch's tendency to dance in 3rd Bass videos, with MCA's line "dancing around like you think you're Janet Jackson" clearly directed at him.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah and since i didn't say before, CLASSIC.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Monday, 14 May 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I did think it'd be kinda ridic to have Pete Nice on stage and not have him even SPEAK, let alone rap.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 14 May 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

nine months pass...

Goes for mine, I goes for mine...

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

What the hell are Pete and Serch saying to each other on the steps to the courthouse at the beginning of the Brooklyn Queens video?

Lolpez, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

Fucking loved this album but lost it about 10 years ago. It's 19 quid on Amazon!

nate woolls, Tuesday, 11 March 2008 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

prime minister pete nice embroiled in baseball memorabilia fraud scandal

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/12/09/nash/index.html

Mr. Big STFU (ojo), Saturday, 12 December 2009 00:53 (sixteen years ago)

nine months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBIloDh6ueY

scott seward, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:19 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUIoG1IaxTw

scott seward, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:24 (fifteen years ago)

this stuff does not hold up imho

crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

that article on Nash's scuzzball baseball collectorism is pretty sad. what a douche.

Fartbritz Sootzveti (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:31 (fifteen years ago)

triple stage darkness...third stage: lyrical

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE2qhVEeTiI

50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

the cactus album has so much great production, stimulated dummies, sam sever etc

50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XEVi0P6Eqk&feature=player_embedded#!

buzza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:51 (fifteen years ago)

Superdiggy
1 year ago

I simply wish that Pete chose to laud and further reinforce the power of a jaded art form he helped to create, as opposed to a more docile presence in a world that he may NEVER have a great affect on other than a personal enrichment (viscerally and/or financially). I would rather see he and Search accepting a Hip Hop honor (from their VISCERAL, MEANINGFUL works) than those who will inevitably receive them in the future. Hopefully Nash will represent TRUE hip hop when/if called upon in future.

buzza, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 18:53 (fifteen years ago)

the cactus album has so much great production, stimulated dummies, sam sever etc

― 50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, October 6, 2010 11:44 AM (21 minutes ago)

and Prince Paul and Hank Shocklee!

EL CUCUY (lpz), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 19:08 (fifteen years ago)

yeah it's a real murderers row

50.bison (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 19:13 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRKDgzlfUBY&p=9A82298251EE7712&playnext=1&index=55

EL CUCUY (lpz), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

^Marley Marl on the remix

EL CUCUY (lpz), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 19:27 (fifteen years ago)

the production's fine it's the actual rapping I don't like

crude interloper of a once august profession (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 6 October 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)


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