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The ups and downs of being the Strokes
Band deals with fickle public, critics

By Kevin Drew
CNN
Tuesday, June 8, 2004 Posted: 2:34 PM EDT (1834 GMT)

The Strokes relax at a tour stop. The band has gone from being critical darlings to ... well, not being critical darlings.



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ATLANTA, Georgia (CNN) -- A funny thing happened to the Strokes on the way to becoming anointed as rock 'n' roll's salvation: The same instant media buzz saw that uplifted them as rising stars became a vehicle for critics to try and tear them down.

The past three years have been a roller coaster for the band. Before its first album was even released, the group reached a level of fame that most veteran musicians only dream of. Almost as quickly, a backlash among critics and fans developed as their second album was released.

The band has understandably developed a tough, fatalistic skin.

"We don't even think about that kind of stuff; if it happens it'll happen, it'll always happen," said guitarist Albert Hammond Jr. in a recent interview.

As the band completes touring off its second album, "Room on Fire," which came out last October, it's preparing to go back to the studio and begin work on a third album, which band members say will stay grounded in their rock roots.

Take it or leave it, they say.

"The only way we can prevail through anything is to work on our music ... it got us here in the first place," Hammond said.
'Coolest band on Earth' to 'What's wrong?'

It's difficult for any band to continue to live up to the hype generated from the Strokes' first full album, the fall 2001 release "Is This It."

Hailed as a long-awaited rock 'n' roll antidote to the boy band and R&B-saturated pop music scene of the late 1990s, the group -- Hammond, lead singer Julian Casablancas, guitarist Nick Valensi, bassist Nikolai Fraiture and drummer Fabrizio Moretti -- immediately was embraced by many industry watchers as a fresh voice that tipped an inspirational hat to New Wave pioneers 20 years earlier.

"Is This It" drew comparisons to the Velvet Underground and rock acts of the late 1970s and early 1980s, helping launch a wave of retro-rock bands. By the time the band released "Room on Fire," an article in the mainstream music magazine Spin labeled them "arguably the coolest band on Earth."
"The only way we can prevail through anything is to work on our music," says guitarist Albert Hammond Jr.

"When that kind of stuff happens, especially when you've never had anything, you don't really even know what it is," Hammond said.

Any rock band that rises so far so fast will inevitably generate resentment, with some watching for a fall just as rapid. But the speed by which negative Internet postings about the Strokes appeared is not only a statement about today's instant cyberspace media, but also the strong feelings the group provokes.

By mid-2001, before their first album had released, the tone in Internet chat rooms and bulletin board discussing the band ranged from passionate cheerleading to criticism that questioned the accolades being placed on a group before its first album release. Even the group's musical skills were challenged.

The band members' upbringings didn't help. Casablancas is the son of model agency mogul John Casablancas. Hammond is the son of singer-songwriter Albert Hammond, who wrote "It Never Rains in Southern California" and other hits. All five band members are products of upper-class grooming, with prep-school educations. Some postings wondered out loud if such privileged lives gave them a boost in the entertainment industry.

"Is This It" peaked at No. 33 in Billboard's album sales charts, and the band members found themselves the objects of mass adulation and the celebrity whirl.

In November 2001, just a month after their first album release, an article appeared in Salon.com entitled "What's wrong with the Strokes?", which asked how such a young band could ignite such devotion or hatred.

"It's tough to answer," Hammond said. "All I know is we worked really hard to get ahead, and everything that people think we had, we didn't."

"It gets a little annoying and hard to deal with," Hammond continued, referring to criticism of their upbringing, "because, you know, it's something you can't pick, it's something you can't choose in life. We all love our parents, our families."
'It doesn't really matter what everyone says'

As the second album was completed and released, a decision was made by the band to not engage in saturation publicity, said drummer Moretti.

"We were trying to do less media and fewer big things," Moretti said. "We could have done as much as the first album, but we just turned some down on purpose."

When "Room on Fire" was released, it was met with lukewarm reactions from music journalists who said it didn't match the intensity and whimsical fun of the first album. It peaked at No. 4 in the Billboard charts -- a better showing than "Is This It," but without the buzz.

Hammond makes no apologies for the second album, which has more complex material, with songs influenced by synthesizers, R&B and straightforward punk styles.

"As an album, I love it, I think it's fantastic. I'm very proud of it," he said.

"If we write something that is undeniably great, then in the long term it doesn't really matter what everyone says now," Hammond added.

And if the band has suffered from any so-called backlash, Moretti said, it hasn't shown, pointing to a tour this year of 35 sold-out concerts.

"This tour has gone great," he said. "It's quite an accomplishment, I think."

As for the future, the band is making plans to begin recording its third album later this year. It will stay true to the band's rock roots, Hammond and Moretti said.

"Julian is the songwriter of the band," Moretti said. "He may want to go in different directions but still sounding like the Strokes. I don't think you're going to hear a concept album."

"I don't think we're going to be the kind of band that start playing stadiums or arenas," Moretti continued. "Even if we could sell that many tickets we really don't want to. We really like playing the venues of 2,000 to 5,000."

Hammond's future goals are just as straightforward: "I'd like to make many, many records. I'd like to be a band that has success but at the same time have respect for trying to work hard and write good music."

As the interview concludes, he has one last thought on any critics. "They can't believe that five guys who look good and play great music actually can make it," he said.

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:41 (twenty-two years ago)

<quote>"The only way we can prevail through anything is to work on our music ... it got us here in the first place," Hammond said.</quote>

Wasn't one of their fathers a jeans exec, or some BS?

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

That's some of the worst editing I've seen on CNN. And it gets pretty bad.

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"They can't believe that five guys who look good and play great music actually can make it,"

EAT THAT PITCHFORK SCUM!@@!@!21

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

if anything, the backlash occurred around the first album, not the second.

Matos W.K. (M Matos), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

slow news day.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

by the second album they were getting backlash on the backlash, which = praise

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Why couldn't The Stokes backlash been more like this--

http://www.fantasticfictionimages.co.uk/images/n6/n31358.jpg

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

("Strokes" even)


Also, I like this cover:

http://www.vitaminic.com/image/strokes.jpg

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's some of the worst editing I've seen on CNN. And it gets pretty bad.

Check this headline out (though it may be the AP's fault)

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the backlash was part of the intial marketing strategy for Is This It

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Presumably all of CNN's "top talent" is busy lionizing Reagan.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Check this headline out (though it may be the AP's fault)

OH MY GOD

Every fiber of my being made me want to leap into the World Wide Web and smack that copy editor's mother.

It is depressing to realize that the profession most suited towards your personality is "copy editor".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

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Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

DID YOU GUYS NOT SEE WOLVERINE IN THE KEWL SHEEPSKIN JACKET??????????

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, "look good".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The Strokes on CNN Headline Backlash OMG WTF

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"They can't believe that five guys who look good and play great music actually can make it,"

Your name ain't Nick Rhodes, pal.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:16 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Good Charlotte vs. The Strokes vs. Blink 182

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

room on fire is better than this is it and the strokes rule.

*ducks*

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What is this, how you say, This Is It (which I agree would be a better title).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:25 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDCASS70311171219361445&sql=Ayk9ks35ya3xg

fuck hard bop!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

It's it, what is it? It's it, what is it?

NA (Nick A.), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

A princely sum to the first band that covers Huey Lewis and the News' "If This Is It" in the style of the Strokes! (speaking of "five guys who look good and play great music"...)

Nick Mirov (nick), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:37 (twenty-two years ago)

fuck hard bop!

JAZZ OWNS YER ASS

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

JAZZ OWNS YER ASS

I'm waiting for Alex in NYC to run with this!

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)

The same instant media buzz saw that uplifted them as rising stars became a vehicle for critics to try and tear them down.

He writes about their critical backlash as though it was an unprecedented turn of events, rather than an obvious and expected part of any overhyped bands' career path.

First the thread about metal bands doing ballads, and now this.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I have to say I'm shocked by this whole sorry display. I've come to expect the best in leading-edge cultural journalism from CNN. Ye gods, what idol shall fall next?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

i was so hoping this was about a strokes diss track by capone n noreaga

jake in portland (cerybut), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW, the peaks/piques thing has been fixed on the site.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

WHAT IS IT LIKE "BEING THE STROKES"???

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I work with a guy who completely unselfconsciously uses the phrase "free-range" in the following manner:

"I like getting a macro-level task where I can have free-range to manage how I'm going to split it up to get things done."

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

You have filled me with fear.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's the confident way he uses it and the way that when I look around incredulously to see if anyone else caught it, people are nodding like he said something that made sense that really gives me the fear.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you work at a chicken factory?

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah...you work with David Brent.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)

You shall henceforth refer to said co-worker by the appellation "Costner"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck everybody. The Strokes rule. Is This It is one of the best records. Seriously.

Rubberband Man (Rubberband Man), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Seriously.

Rubberband Man (Rubberband Man), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:31 (twenty-two years ago)

They don't even look good though, they're so full of themselves, wtf omg.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)

i still really like the strokes. i can't really say the same for the rapture or interpol

the surface noise is generally somewhere between 'in some spots' and 'throu (ele, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I never liked the Rapture or the Strokes to begin with. Interpol are ok though.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

When "Room on Fire" was released, it was met with lukewarm reactions from music journalists who said it didn't match the intensity and whimsical fun of the first album. It peaked at No. 4 in the Billboard charts -- a better showing than "Is This It," but without the buzz.

Ohh, so the real story is that they're actually more successful? GOOD JOB CUNT

David Allen (David Allen), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

the funny thing is, you guys are tripping over each other trying to be so much more clever than all of the other idiotic ILM posters, that you look much more idiotic and petty than any actual rock band who makes music, or any actual journalist who fulfills his/her duty to write a story assigned by their editor (being trust funders, you might not understand either of these concepts).

hstencil, that story appeared in the Entertainment section of CNN. Slow news day? It is appropriate content for that section. Now, go act like a condescending asswipe to all of your pathetic minions.

the funny thing is, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:47 (twenty-two years ago)

SERVED!

Allyzay, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG ANONYMOUS DISS

HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

more hstencil haterz

christhamrin (christhamrin), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

funny thing = Kevin Drew

ilx detective, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 11:16 (twenty-two years ago)

don't hstencil hate, hstencil participate!!!

woly boly (woly boly), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

(xpost btw)

woly boly (woly boly), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)

in 2001 The Strokes would have been critically still born if everyone followed my advice.

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 11:44 (twenty-two years ago)

being trust funders

You seem very aware of how they work.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Do not dis the Trust Fund. All of you just wish you had one.

Possibly Kate Again (kate), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Who needs a trust fund when you have Social Security?

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:31 (twenty-two years ago)

whoa, amazing that I got dissed for what was likely the most innocuous thing on the thread!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

rasheed is setting us up for social security trust fund lock box Al Gore jokes.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.woodthings.com/boxes/images/Lock%20box%201.JPG

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Do not dis the Trust Fund. All of you just wish you had one.

OTM

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:53 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0211/hagar.albums/album.three.lock.2.jpg

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

RISE MY PENGUIN ARMY OF ILM PATHETIC MINIONS!

THE DASTARDLY PENGUIN (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Do not dis the Trust Fund. All of you just wish you had one.

I can't say that's ever crossed my mind, sorry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:57 (twenty-two years ago)

In re: "The Trust Fund", I'd have been all for them/it if they'd incorporated tacit acknowledgement of their background into the story rather than try to pass themselves off as "just a bunch of normal guys trying to make good music, man."

Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

that trust fund o' mine sure came in handy during my 10 months of unemployment...

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmm, trust fund.

(Dan, what was wrong with the Governors Island headline? I'm pretty sure it's not "missing" an apostrophe.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:33 (twenty-two years ago)

It originally said: New York Harbor: Governors Island peaks curiosity.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

THANEK GOD I THOUGT MY COPEYDITING MOJO WUS EPXIRED

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(It's always the peeks/piques and the free range/rein/reign problem, always.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Thank god. I was looking at "piques" feeling very stupid for not understanding what was supposed to be wrong. And I am a copy editor, theoretically.

(ha, x-post -- this whole thing has obviously caused great trauma to copy editors everywhere)

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:42 (twenty-two years ago)

And argh, that rein/reign thing makes my teeth hurt. Makes me wanna scream. I know, I know, they sound alike, but they're completely different words! How do people get them wrong? It's like confusing chair and elephant.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(possible band name: free reign chickens)

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The best part is that I'm not even a copy editor!!!

I told my wife about the "free range" incident. Her response was, "Well, maybe he was thinking about chicken." I of course fell out because I was imagining this guy saying "I love problems where I can stuff my face with KFC."

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Sure up" for "shore up" always drives me nuts.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:46 (twenty-two years ago)

(The problem, spit, is that "free reign" can sort of mean, metaphorically speaking, the same thing as "free rein." Either I'm the king or I'm going nuts with the horses, either way I'm not listening to what your ass has to say.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah I know...ok, it's not really like "chair" and "elephant." But it still drives me bananas (as I suppose my own persistent confusion with double-consonanted words drives others bananas...accommodate? accomodate? embarrass? arrrgh...)

I've never seen "sure up." I think it would take me 3 minutes to figure out what the writer meant. Than I would laugh.

spittle (spittle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't understand your last sentence.

nabisco is sorry (nabisco), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

YAHTZEE! A winner is Nabisco.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)


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