Youssou N'Dour: [squiggle squiggle suiggle] Egypt

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Youssou N'Dour: Egypt. I heard some of this today at Tower and it sounds pretty good. He keeps much of his own sound, but draws on Egyptian music as well, in tribute. I'm not too familiar with his music, but it does seem that at times he is switching over to an Arabic style of singing on this CD, based on what I heard. On the down side, he is borrowing that big Egyptian string section sound that I tend to complain about (although the string section on this CD, at times, sounded more western to me). I will probably get this anyway.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Christgau's take.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm going to have to start withdrawing some of the negative things I've said about Christgau, one by one. That's a pretty good review. I don't just like the fact that it's positive--especially since I haven't even heard the CD yet--but he seem to do a good job of providing context.

Again, I'm left somewhat torn: I'm not enthusiastic about Islam, but the Islamic aesthetic that N'Dour draws on for this CD is very appealing.

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Are you sure it's Islam you dislike, or just Islamic fundementalism?

poop (poop), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

(I'd rather not get into that more on this thread though; but I suppose I have already made the mistake of bringing that into the discussion.)

Rockist Scientist, Tuesday, 8 June 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Youssou + strings = gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous. More I listen, more I love it. The orchestral bits adorn rather than overwhelm, and if the sociopolitical subtext is kinda lost this far from the cultures he's integrating, the fact that this hybrid could have way more "universal" appeal (and that includes in the US) than his synthy stuff ever did is sociopolitical enough for me.

Keith Harris (kharris1128), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Youssou's (and most of these world music musicians's) irritating brand of didactic religious/socio-political fervor aside, he's got one of the most beautiful voices in music. I recommend the DVD "Live In London" to all that don't have it. Overwhelmingly beautiful.

maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

irritating brand of didactic religious/socio-political fervor

this is worth exploring, yes? i find this aspect of bob marley and fela kuti pretty great... on the other hand, when i think of musician's musician from africa, i think of ali farke toure, who doesn't really go in for d.r./s.-p.f. so much.

as for the n'dour cd, the change in songwriting style is carried off well and impresses me more than the singing which i've come to expect to be startling.

mig, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:36 (twenty-two years ago)

If the musician in question can find a new way of conveying their political passions, then more power to them. Otherwise,... I'm not interested. That's all really. I agree with you about Bob Marley.

maria b (maria b), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I have Nothing's In Vain. I was wondering if I should explore more of his back catalog before getting the new one or what? I hear Set's pretty good...

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

immigres is the place to start - his second lp - unless buying 33 minute cds makes you feel ripped off [was going to say "gypped" but then realized what thread this is]

mig, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

jewed

amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no short CD phobias. I used to be a big GBV fan.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

imagine a gbv record with 4 songs average length 8 minutes: immigres is that good

mig, Wednesday, 9 June 2004 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Youssou tour this summer LA 7/14
It'll be a great show

Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Bought Egypt yesterday, played it twice in a row, absolutely bloody love it.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

This sounds very tempting indeed! Tho I am slightly afraid that it's gonna have too much real world sheen.

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought this on the way home from work yesterday, and I like it.

Christgau: If Um Kulthum has always sounded weird to you, so will this, and N'Dour doesn't want you if that settles the matter. But compared to Kulthum's, Salama's strings are lighter in color, touch, and pitch.

Christgau hedges his bets here, but he's right that the strings on this CD aren't like what you hear on Oum Kalthoum's recordings. Also, he does note that "the melodies have Senegalese contours." I don't know enough about Senegalese music to know about this, but melodically, this CD does sound very different from Egyptian music, to me, so he's probably right about that too. But I think Oum Kalthoum is somewhat beside the point here (although she's the most famous example of an Egyptian singer who worked with one of those big Egyptian orchestras, so I can see why he would mention her): you could like Oum Kalthoum and not like this, and vice versa.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

The Borders near me was selling this for 15.99, which isn't exactly a steal, but I'm thinking it's probably better than what the other chains are asking. (Anyway, Tower was charging more, of course.)

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Oum Kalthoum is somewhat beside the point here

That Christgau, dragging Oum Kalthoum into everything! Haha.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...
I like the way, on the fourth song (I don't want to get up to check the title, since I think I sprained my foot), the chorus, on every third repetition of the chorus starts in a little early and overlaps with Youssou N'Dour. It creates this little bump in the rhythm.

Rockist Scientist, Thursday, 1 July 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
I don't want to get up to check the title, since I think I sprained my foot

What a literally lame excuse.

Anyway, I was just struck by that rhythmic bump again tonight, and I'm not going to get up to check the title because I'm too lazy.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone know how this is selling?

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, like hotcakes. The video is on TRL everyday and Justin Timberlake says it's the bomb-diggety.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Wednesday, 21 July 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My take:
http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0429/040721_music_egypt.php

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 26 July 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
"Bamba the Poet" makes me think of a snowy sleigh-ride.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i just picked this up, am excited to hear it (probably the first YOussou I've wanted to hear in years - never been that big a fan)

will post response in next couple of days.

H (Heruy), Monday, 11 October 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
what a beautiful beautiful album

g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 11 July 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...
I missed Youssou on his latest tour with Fathy Salama's Cairo Orchestra as I was busy with a family halloween party. Has anyone seen this tour?

curmudgeon (Steve K), Saturday, 12 November 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone see any of those special shows he did in NYC this time--different each night--I think one was old material, one was with a young Senegalese singer, one with the orchestra...

Curmudgeon (Steve K), Saturday, 12 November 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

I really wanted to - had so many other things going on. But that series looked really great.

TRG (TRG), Saturday, 12 November 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I think they just played some shows out in California

curmudgeon (Steve K), Saturday, 12 November 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I guess nobody who posts here saw this latest tour.

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

bump.

curmudgeon, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

This is going for a fiver in Fopp, should anyone care.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.reeldc.com/ Mark Jenkins' October 11th posting of his interview with the director of "Youssou N'Dour: I Bring What I Love", that covers the making of the Egypt album and the controversy with its release.

the intro:

NEW YORK-BASED FILMMAKER of Hungarian, Chinese, and Brazilian descent, Elizabeth Chai Vasarhelyi spent five years on Youssou N'Dour: I Bring What I Love. Her first solo documentary, the film is a portrait of the great Senegalese singer as he released and promoted Egypt, an album in praise of Sufi Islam and 19th-century Senegalese religious leader Cheik Ahmadou Bamba, founder of Mouridism. Although N'Dour has a strong following in Europe and North America, he feared the album would be controversial in the West. Instead, it was spurned in his homeland, where longtime fans reflexively rejected a pop star's attempt at devotional music. Vasarhelyi's documentary, which observes this storm, has proved a success in Holland, France, and a few American cities, and opened Friday at the Avalon. In a recent interview, the director explained why she felt compelled to make the film, even though when she started she didn't know Youssou N'Dour's music.

curmudgeon, Monday, 12 October 2009 20:14 (sixteen years ago)

Saw the movie last night. It's at the Avalon in DC for a week. Poorly promoted--there were maybe 12 people at the 8:15 show last night. But it's great. Youssou talking about Uum Kalthum and his faith. Footage of a pilgrimmage to the Senegalese mosque in Touba, Youssou singing backstage and onstage. Plus dean of rock critics Robert Christgau complimenting N'Dour to his face in a kind of stilted manner (I'd probably do the same). Weird how N'Dour winning a Grammy for the cd caused Senegalese people to reappraise the work and give it respect(N'Dour reissued it there as it was widely rejected the first time around). His voice is stunning in the movie which has English captions for the lyrics.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 14 October 2009 12:42 (sixteen years ago)

two years pass...

Sux that his bid for the Senegalese presidency has been invalidated.

jaymc, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:09 (fourteen years ago)

The five-judge body said N'dour had "produced a list of 12,936 voters supporting his candidacy of which only 8,911 could be identified and their signatures validated". A minimum of 10,000 was needed

Read more: http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Youssou+Dour+fights+Senegal+presidency/6067313/story.html#ixzz1lFLOoRX0

hmmmmmm

curmudgeon, Thursday, 2 February 2012 17:28 (fourteen years ago)

two years pass...

The candidate he supported gave him a job. But after serving for 2 years as Minister of Culture he's just an advisor now, and released a new album back in April called Fatteliku that I have just heard about.

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 15:12 (eleven years ago)

Just toured Europe and is coming to the US now

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 15:15 (eleven years ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/worldfolkandjazz/10986092/Womad-2014-Youssou-NDour-Senegals-minister-of-sound.html

Some cuts from Fatteliku on youtube but I can't find the whole thing anywhere

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 16:19 (eleven years ago)

I think I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_l9FXZRvME&list=PLYpm9V0YueVGW-OeQn1qPhsoGFh_iBA-V

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 3 September 2014 16:22 (eleven years ago)

His voice is still fabulous

curmudgeon, Thursday, 4 September 2014 14:03 (eleven years ago)

six months pass...

this album (Egypt) rules

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 17 March 2015 14:46 (eleven years ago)

It is awesome. Some folks on this board seem to only know his crossover to Western pop efforts, but not this.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 16:01 (eleven years ago)

Which are his crossovers? You mean the duets with other people? PG and Neneh Cherry?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 16:03 (eleven years ago)

yes

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 March 2015 16:10 (eleven years ago)

five months pass...

His June 2015 released song speaking out against violence against women is called
Dijiguéne Gni",
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZweEsGkmIo

curmudgeon, Sunday, 30 August 2015 17:36 (ten years ago)

two years pass...

reformatting a couple of interviews i did with YN'D in 1986 for a thing: so i hunted out what ILx had to say and discovered this, which i never heard

on first listen, it's utterly gorgeous

mark s, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

Yes!!!

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 05:11 (eight years ago)


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