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Personally I really love the drifting dreamy textures of the slower songs but dislike the more upbeat rocking numbers. I'm very mixed on it. So kids, classic or dud?

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

that should be suede s/t btw. I'm a dirt old man.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Or just a repressed Camel fan.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:54 (twenty-two years ago)

Nude is the title of the label, not the album

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

At the time, a remarkably fine album -- from a distance, an okay first album. But they got better (please note that this allows for both Dog Man Star and Coming Up fans in equal measure).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Nude is the title of the label, not the album

Yeah, I know. I'm silly sometimes.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 12:59 (twenty-two years ago)

at the time i really loved it... listened to it again some weeks ago. still nice i thought.
i wonder what the new anderson/butler songs will be like.

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Dud for me. Heard it, never bought it, don't wish I had.

― ___ (___), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"So Young" is a fabulous song, but things get a bit thin afterwards

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

I bought a cheapie cassette of it at Camden suitcaseman, was quite underwhelmed. "Are you getting old or are we shite" as the song went...

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Far and away my favorite Suede record. I just wish the mix wasn't so treble-heavy. It resembles Raw Power in spots as far as poor production goes.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

If they'd included "My Insatiable One" and "To The Birds" and gotten rid of "Breakdown" it would've been a much better album.

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't listened to it in a while. Is "Breakdown" the one with the line about the sleeping pills? If so, that song's pretty alright. Was "The Drowners" included on the UK version, or was that just for US audiences?

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Never really got into the albums they made afterwards, couple of good singles, but not a whole cd like the first one.

― daarkbee (daarkbee), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Duh. A quick visit to AMG tells me the song I was thinking of was, in fact, "Sleeping Pills," and "Breakdown" is the too-long snorefest that follows. So yes, I concur that it should have been axed in favor of "My Insatiable One" and/or "To the Birds."

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 13:37 (twenty-two years ago)

"Animal Nitrate" is their best single. "Metal Mickey" sometimes has the power to make me feel eighteen again.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Loved it at the time 'though it doesn't (they don't) seem to have aged particularly gracefully.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not called Nude you moron. And it's classic.

― CRW (CRW), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

It's not called Nude you moron. And it's classic.

Fuck you. Read my first response, moron, BEFORE you make idiotic statements. And please, never make assumptions about someone, asshole.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:22 (twenty-two years ago)

pantomine horse!!!!! classik!!!

(ps, james - ignore the resident bitchman)

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh shut up. Sorry James.

The album is just awesome. I think Breakdown is great (especially the climatic "does your love only come... in a Volvo?"). I think they should have dumped "Animal Lover" and stuck "My Insatiable One" and "To the Birds" in the middle (or maybe as the opening two tracks). But, all in, still one of my top 10 albums ever. I like "Dog Man Star" better. They never topped the first two albums, the "Stay Together" EP and the B-sides. For two years I honestly think they were the best, and sexiest, band ever.

― C-Man (C-Man), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I like how "Metal Mickey" starts off all Hendrix-y.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Agree with Stewart Osborne. Sounded great at the time (and it came with a sticker from some UK radio guy saying it was the album "he'd been waiting for all his life"....anyone remember who?) but it's not a classic. it's the best Suede did, but only cos, for me, they were the kind of band who were quick to impress with swagger and mysterious sexuality, but never did anything with it later. A but like These Animal Men, or Nancy Boy.

― paulhw (paulhw), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the best things they ever did were the Stay Together EP and the b-sides from all the Dog Man Star singles, i.e. most of the stuff on the first "Sci-fi Lullabies" disk; great stuff. I was a bit disappointed with the first album when it came out, just a little dull really although as you say, the ballads are really good.

― Keith Watson (kmw), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 21:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it's a little poor comparing them to These Animal Men though!

I saw them once at Evol in Edinburgh; the bloke was complaining to me that someone was giving abuse to him for being English. I felt a bit sorry for him as he seemed close to tears, but couldn't help having a bit of a laugh given the hard image they were putting out in the press at the time.

― Keith Watson (kmw), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Btw. I kind of agree regarding the slower vs. faster numbers. You do get tired of those faster numbers after a while, but the slower ones definitely grow on you.

Fast Britpop anthems they did better on "Coming Up". But when it comes to slower atmospheric tracks, they have never ever been better than on the debut.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 23:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Geir the slow b-sides from "Coming Up" are miles better than anything on the debut: "Sound of the Streets" esp.

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 9 June 2004 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the whole 'bi man without a h experience' got trumped by Placebo, who then also found they could not do anything further with it...

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 10 June 2004 12:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I'd have to disagree there, they're doing quite well with it actually.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 15:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I could happily lose Moving, Sleeping Pills, Breakdown, and Animal Lover from this and fill the spaces with B-sides from the early singles. But then I thought Coming Up was their best album, and I doubt anyone will agree with me on that.

― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, you're wrong, Jamie, I agree with you completely re: Coming Up!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Doh! I meant Head Music. I keep getting the names mixed up. Sorry Ned.

― Jamie Fake (the pirate king), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:53 (twenty-two years ago)

I quit listening to Suede around the time Bernard left and never felt like I was missing out. A few months ago, I found a used copy of Head Music for 99 cents and picked it up.

Turns out my instincts were correct.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 10 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Lose "Moving" and "Animal Lover", every other track Classic, 3 or 4 of them tear-inducingly so.

"Pantomime Horse" is a total rip of "That Joke Isn't Funny Any More" tho. And Flying Saucer Attack's "Drowners" tops the original. I've come to love "Breakdown" more than anything bar "She's Not Dead", but I admit I thought it was snoozy at first.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Thursday, 10 June 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

"Coming Up" was their best album. That makes three of us.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The Nude label sported another band that i liked even better; Sharkboy. Their first album, Matinee, is a dreamy slice of modern rock that features the sultry vocals of Avy amdist cellos and horns and such. I just listened to it last night.

― christoff (christoff), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:08 (twenty-two years ago)

How is "Pantomime Horse" a total rip off of "That Joke Isn't Funny Any More" ? I don't see it at all (but am eager to undertand !).

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Sharkboy were indeed pretty good -- check the AMG! ;-) -- while I've had fondnesses at various points for the likes of Geneva, Goya Dress and Ultrasound, I admit. But then there's the posthumous Billy Mackenzie album, which truly is head-and-shoulders above.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:13 (twenty-two years ago)

...and the B-sides from the singles off Matinee are especially sweet, too.

― christoff (christoff), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Suede had much stronger ballads than the ones on the debut (save "Pantomime Horse", which is fab). The rockers have held up far better.
Otherwise, all the best ballads came post-debut: "The Living Dead", (and its clone "Another No One"), "The Chemistry Between Us", "The 2 of Us", etc.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I saw Sharkboy support Suede at the Plaza in Glasgow once; not bad as I remember, but I can't say I was particularly impressed.

― Keith Watson (kmw), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:49 (twenty-two years ago)

How is "Pantomime Horse" a total rip off of "That Joke Isn't Funny Any More" ?

Compare the codas. "Tried it that way, have you ever tried it that way" etc vs "I've seen this happen in other people's lives"

Sharkboy supported Suede when I saw them, either a couple of days before or after Suede was released. I thought they was meh, but that's the curse of unknown support acts, innit?

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

hum...I can see your point noodle... Still, I wouldn't call it a total rip off for that...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Monday, 14 June 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)


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