TS: Boredoms vs. Bardo Pond

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Jon is making me make this thread. I like Bardo Pond more than Boredoms. Jon cannot go fifteen minutes without talking about either ILX or Boredoms. fuck!!!!!!!

xoxooxoxoxox

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 02:42 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm yet to uncover the appeal of bardo pond so the interesting but ultimately unsatisfying boredoms win by default

― the surface noise is another unwelcome bonus resulting from a preamp's inab (ele, Friday, 11 June 2004 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Bardo Pond win this one going away.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

what can i say when the surface noise has said it all?

― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Both fantastic live and on record. Can't choose. The AMG will back me up on this (since I've reviewed both of them there extensively).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

the appeal of bardo pond is clearly the bonghits???!?!?!?!

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:56 (twenty-two years ago)

i r not a man of the doob

― the surface noise is another unwelcome bonus resulting from a preamp's inab (ele, Friday, 11 June 2004 04:57 (twenty-two years ago)

if you gotta be on drugs for the music to sound good, then the music sucks. good music should sound great whether you are altered or not.

― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 11 June 2004 04:59 (twenty-two years ago)

(HALF KIDDING)

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:00 (twenty-two years ago)

bardopond is more of an acid band than a bong band surely. anyway, just slow vision creation newsun right down, and you've sort of got bardo pond anyway?

like both a lot, but bardo edge it

― charltonlido (gareth), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i think this is kind of the dividing line between jon & i. also that he likes the mekons and i like the fall.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:44 (twenty-two years ago)

surface noise is Australian so there's no way he can pick Boredoms, what with Aussie Power and all. Plus Bardo named a record after a hallucogenic delight native to Down Under....

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

If you gotta listen to music, then the drugs are no good. Fuck music.

― dave q, Friday, 11 June 2004 05:47 (twenty-two years ago)

bardopond is more of an acid band than a bong band surely
Ha, I would have said the opposite. Boredoms are wilder. "Amphetamine fueled" describes them more accurately than it does BP (sorry about the cliched drug reference).
BP are a pot band, they love pot, they love bragging about how much they love pot, and much of their music sound like they are a band that would brag about their love of pot. Even moreso on the Hash Jar Tempo albums and the vol1-4 discs.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm sure i must have heard the wrong bardo songs, because people who like 'em seem to like 'em for the same reasons i *should*..

― the surface noise is another unwelcome bonus resulting from a preamp's inab (ele, Friday, 11 June 2004 07:02 (twenty-two years ago)

jim, download: tommy gun angel, amen, despite the roar, walking clouds, tantric porno, two planes and aldrin.

also, i'm really excited to hear the new collaboration they did with tom carter; has anyone heard this yet? available direct from the label (also eclipse, promos, slsk...) but not in stores for a few weeks i think.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

That reminds me I must order that. In fact I must ask that all vaguely Terrastock-like bands send me everything they've ever released.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Bardo Pond is terrible, totally unfocused self indulgent wank.

There is no CONTEST. Boredoms hands down! Put on Soul Discharge then VCN...they've done it all.

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Bardo Pond at their very very very best achieves a few scant seconds of what was accomplished across the boredoms last 2 records and three EPs.

It the lightweight division, Bardo Pond is a much better match with Mogwai.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

ddb, I kiss you.

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Bardo Pond are possibly the most boring, wittery, useless band I have ever had to suffer through. Never heard a Boredoms record, but live they are incredible, thrilling, battering you with noise, making your heart jump in your chest. There's supposed to be a contest here?

― cis (cis), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax! absolutey OTM. BOREDOMS.

― rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

boredoms this, boredoms that.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: Bardo Pond vs. Mogwai vs. Getting Hit by a Bus

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

anybody in the audience ever been hit by a car?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

BOREDOMS is gygax!'s BURRITOVILLE.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Boredoms are definitely the better, but I listen to Bardo Pond way more.

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

what's better on POT? bardo

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)

What NickB said. I saw Boredoms more (Glasto aged 15! I didn't like them very much!) but I've seen BP three times I think.

I'd like to see Bardo Pond on a bill with Electric Wizard or someone

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 11 June 2004 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

In their wildest dreams, The Boredoms can achieve 10% of the blowaway greatness of BP's "Tommy Gun Angel".

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone here even heard anything from super roots 6 or super ae on?

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Barry you're drunk!

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

on Molson XXX

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

I will now post picture of Bardo Pond fans:

http://www.arches.uga.edu/~weaver2/Sisters%20at%20DMB%202002.jpg

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:14 (twenty-two years ago)

maybe i need to go see bardo live...hmmmmmmm

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:15 (twenty-two years ago)

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― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

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― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody who hasn't blasted "Tommy Gun Angel" at 100 dB and/or seen them play it live is allowed to disagree with my comment.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:19 (twenty-two years ago)

is that the song with the sludgey directionless guitars, bad drumming, inaudible/bad vocals and a little bit of flute?

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i think bardo pond has a weak link. I won't say what i think it is though. okay, i will. one nite they were playing (under another name - which they did every other nite in philly) and they had worked themselves up to this loud beautiful heavy krautrock groove. It sounded amazing! Then whatsherface gets on stage and starts sawing away on a violin that she doesn't know how to play and starts doing her best yoko impression and it just killed the buzz right then and there with a quickness. they are really nice guys though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

dude YOKO rules and you are wrong.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yoko does not mix with teh krautrock

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT HEARD "FLY" DORKFACE.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

is that the song with the sludgey directionless guitars, bad drumming, inaudible/bad vocals and a little bit of flute?
I might have asked the same question about the Boredoms (with the exception of the drumming).
There is no flute on "Tommy Gun Angel", it is 120% RAWK.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Convenient Allmusic quote:

Perhaps the best measure of Fly is how Ono ended up inventing Krautrock

― dlp9001, Friday, 11 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-two years ago)

damn, that's sub-Pitchforkian.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Be nice, the author is in the room.

― dlp9001, Friday, 11 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Whoa, I actually want to hear a Yoko Ono album now.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Fly totally rules and if you haven't you are gay and/or JON WILLIAMS.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-two years ago)

heard it, even.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG HSTENCIL, I LIKE SKA

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

put your ska pants on

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Be nice, the author is in the room.

And the author is goddamned right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:43 (twenty-two years ago)

But if you need more context:

Perhaps the best measure of Fly is how Ono ended up inventing Krautrock, or perhaps more seriously bringing the sense of motorik's pulse and slow-building tension to an English-language audience. There weren't many artists of her profile in America getting trance-y, heavy-duty songs like "Mindtrain" and the murky ambient howls of "Aimale" out to an English-language audience.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry I should've said sub-Eddyan. or maybe sub-Eddyesque. or maybe dub-Eddy.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I LIKE YOKO! I SAID a Yoko IMPRESSION!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Barry, I saw "Tommy Gun Angel" performed outdoors in a field with the sun setting under the golden gate bridge behind them, it was nice and all, but the Boredoms live experience was about a million times more intense.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone knows that Drake Levin and Phil Volk of Paul Revere & The Raiders invented Krautrock on their Joyride/Friendsound record.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:50 (twenty-two years ago)

IMPRESSIONS OF YOKO

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Terry Riley invented krautrock.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:51 (twenty-two years ago)

BEAT IS FOR GYGAX.

― ddb (ddb), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-two years ago)

roll with the krautrock, you'll never get accepted as.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Admittedly, I am likely talking too much smack for someone who saw the Boredoms live once in 1994 (although I have heard some of their records).
Listening to a man scream "VISION! CREATION! NEWSUN!" for 30 minutes over thrashing guitars is certainly more my cup of tea in 2004 than it was in 1994.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 15:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Barry, have you heard SUPERAE?

― HAMBURGER NEURON GROUP (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

*finally returning to thread* ... Yeah, I've heard SuperAe. It's really good, better than VCN.
I still like BP better, though.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

JON SHOULD REALLY HEAR FLY!!!!!!!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Friday, 11 June 2004 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

WHICH IS THE BETTER MUSICAL ACCOMPANIMENT TO THIS IMAGE:

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

There is no flute on "Tommy Gun Angel", it is 120% RAWK.

"Tommy Gun Angel" has always been the Bardo shoegaze song. I'd pick "Lb." to their RAWKIEST song.

Anyway, never made it through a Boredoms record, winna by default, Bardo.

(sorry gygax!)

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn you know I was at the Lollapalooza in 94 where Boredoms were supposed to play but by the time the tour came over here they had been replaced by Rage Against the Machine! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
Anyway, never made it through a Bardo record, winna by default, Boredoms.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I love the Boredoms like my own mother and all (and am listening to Rebore v0 right now) but Bardo Pond are pretty much everything I ever wanted out of a band--droney loud with a flute and a chick singer. Me = easy to please.

Also the live "Tommy Gun Angel" with Mogwai is awesome--not even Mogwai can make BP suck!

― adam (adam), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

droney loud with a flute and a chick singer

THAT's what they sound like? OK I'll buy a Bardo record and get back to thread afterwords. Maybe I had them confused with someone else.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

aaron, see download recommendations above!

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:38 (twenty-two years ago)

More to download: JD, Every Man, Wank, Datura, Walking Stick Man, This Time (So Fucked), Euphrates.

― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:41 (twenty-two years ago)

pussy hippie faggot motherfuckers

― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Friday, 11 June 2004 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

pussy hippie faggot motherfuckers

Uh oh, they don't sound like Jethro Tull, do they?

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 11 June 2004 23:01 (twenty-two years ago)

NOTHING LIKE JETHRO TULL.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 11 June 2004 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Bardo Pond are really boring if the sound isn't loud enough. If the sound is loud enough they can still be boring, but in a usefully relaxing way. I was never much of a shoegazer I guess.

I don't really care for any of the Boredoms records, but their live show was the closest I have ever gotten to seeing god without drugs, and maybe even with.

― Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 11 June 2004 23:59 (twenty-two years ago)

The last time I saw the Boredoms (or some variant) live in 1999 was pretty damn spectacular -- just one song as such, but the various leaps from the drum riser to the stage by Eye and compatriots added all that much insane hysteria to it all.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

OK guys I just heard some Bardo Pond. Uh, it's good but....it sounds like something I would've loved when I was a 14 year old uber-indie yo la tengo-listening matador-humper. Boredoms are way more where I'm at right now.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Fine be that way. *cries* ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Eh? You must have listened to something from "Dilate", that wasn't titled "Two Planes" or "lb".
Two words: Amen 29:14

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:34 (twenty-two years ago)

actually it was the aforementioned "live 'Tommy Gun Angel' with Mogwai" that "is awesome--not even Mogwai can make BP suck!"

looks like I can get Two Planes-I'm on a mac with dial-up I only have Limewire. Also they have Tantric Porno, Every Man, This Time So Fucked, Home, d to e, and adhesive. So Bardo Boosters, from that list will anything else not make me think, "meh......matador"? (getting Two Planes now)

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 12 June 2004 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

i like tantric porno; it's a pretty poppy song though, so maybe not up yr alley. every man is pretty cool also.

― Ian c=====8 (orion), Saturday, 12 June 2004 02:39 (twenty-two years ago)

to clarify: I like poppy stuff plenty. And still like a lot of that Matador/indie stuff. In the context of this thread, though...I don't think anything from a band with this kinda sound is gonna make me think they're better than the Boredoms. But, we'll see.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Saturday, 12 June 2004 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

While I'll admit to liking them both very much. Boredoms have never done a sub-Seger Blues rock Jam and Live I like jumping around screaming more than standing around dazed and confused- advantage Boredoms.

― brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 13 June 2004 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

http://webpages.charter.net/stinkerbell/Stinkerbell/pictures/Touche%20Turtle.jpg

― jack cole (jackcole), Monday, 14 June 2004 00:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Aaron -- you listed a great selection of Bardo tracks (except for d to e, that's a Mogwai track that was on the Mog/BP tour single).

If those tracks don't impress you, then BP just aren't for you (hey, shit happens :) )

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

brg, I'm sure there's a sideproject like that

― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I just bought a copy at my local store, so they're out there (and it's worth tracking down)

Oh yeah, Bardo Pond over the Boredoms!

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

fag

― Jon in R'lyeh (ex machina), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

fag

*sticks out tounge and goes "nyah nyah"*

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dork - that's to jon.

― hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 14 June 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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