1000 DJ Sins

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1) Messing up seguing "Ice Ice Baby" into "Under Pressure". Most unoriginal two songs to play next to each other; dumbest thing ever to fuck up.

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:00 (twenty-two years ago)

2) "Blue Monday" - give it a rest already!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:04 (twenty-two years ago)

3) not paying attention to where you left your headphones, and they get nicked (I'm guilty of this).

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-two years ago)

re: 2 I'd rather dance to Blue Monday / really long new wave dance hitzzzzz than try to to dance to bad hair metal or the misfits because the DJs are stupid fuckers

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-two years ago)

4/ Assuming that your "audience" is stoopid.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

5/ Having an extreme case of BPMitis.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

6) not even making an effort at doing any transitions - - are you a CD player?

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

7) Spinbacks

Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

not smiling

not looking like they're having any fun

not making people's hearts beat faster
when they're paid to do exactly that if nothing else

not pushing things forward

not utilising newer/newest technology

thinking they are stil in 1996

not being thin

not being female at least half the time

scratching and such *endlesly* and wanking away as
if anybody cares

being bored

playing like they are playing to a roomful of other djs

not being eclectic

playing too much of the same old fcking thing in perpetuity

generally treating dj-ing as if it were a sport

wearing bape and carrhatt and such

and khaki

and not dressing up enough


piscesboy, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

not being thin

wtf?!?!?!???

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

guilty of at least ten of these so far

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Dead. Air.

briania (briania), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

-Not dancing, I think is a big sin. I hate DJs that stand around looking like they're too cool to dance. I mean, you don't have to be a fist-pumping raver chump every time, but how do you expect me to get excited about what you're playing if you can't get excited about what you're playing?

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Also a terrible trend I've noticed -- scenesters thinking they're good djs. NO NO NO! I'VE HEARD GANG OF FOUR, PiL, NEW ORDER AND EVERY OTHER 80S BAND TOO

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

28) Sitting down.

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

no way, sometimes sitting down is comfortable.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Ya. Music selectors (er...DJs) who don't really dance. And I'm not talking about dancing while they're DJing, but EVER!
Quite suspect.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there other music selectors who end up on the dance floor while they're "spinning"?

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

29) rap tokenism in 80s themed sets

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I can dance in a chair, it's not hard.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah....Music selectors who sloganize over some of their selections.
And begging people to dance!
Or threatening them!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

And begging people to dance! Or threatening them!

this is why Out Hud and !!! suck, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:39 (twenty-two years ago)

30) interrupting new wave gayity with some undancable AC/DC etc rock song like "YOU SHOOK ME ALL NIGHT LONG". I just wanna space out to TEH KEYBOARDS AND DANNNNNNNCE NONE OF THIS ROCK BS

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

!!! isn't that bad dude.

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

dude "Jailbreak" by AC/DC can fit into most techno beatz.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

"this is why Out Hud and !!! suck, too."

When I saw Outhud, they didn't do this at all, maybe because most everyone was dancing from the getgo. I'll reserve the judgement about !!! until next week.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

another one....
not knowing that a 4/4 beat is generally the dullest beat of all!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 7/4 is so much easier to dance to!!!

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, 7/4 is so much easier to dance to....

at about 4am, mixed with alcohol, it sure makes sense!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

wolf eyes is easy to dacne 2

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry, but I have a problem with non-musicians who say "4/4 is so dull" etc. and then go on to play exactly a 4/4 beat, albeit a slightly synchopated one. 4/4 does not necessarily mean 4 on the floor, or BOOM-tish-BOOM-tish crap.)

Apostrophe Catastrophe (kate), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

???!!!LET'S JUST SPIN!!!???

DJ GOD, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

54) not knowing that schaffel is 4/4 with triplets.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Please accept my apology if I used the term "4/4" incorectly.
I didn't mean to offend anyone with its misuse.
From this point, I'll call the drabby BOOM-tic-BOOM-tic-BOOM-tic beat "frewentch".

Therefore:
another one....
not knowing that a frewentch beat is generally the dullest beat of all!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Not knowing that schaffel is not frewentch!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:03 (twenty-two years ago)

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!

Do music selectors actually play "IceIceBaby" and "UnderPressure" and expect people to dance? Are clubdrugs that potent these days!

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

doooooood! don't diss the ac / dc on the dancefloor!!!! if you can't dance to ac / dc. then, well, u can't dance.

ten total dc floorfillers (in no particular order)

1) highway to hell
2) touch too much
3) the jack
4) tnt
5) hells bells*
6) you shook me all night long*
7) high voltage
8) jailbreak
9) for those about to rock*
10) girls got rhythm

* - brian johnson's is usually best avoided but i'll make exceptions for these as they ROCK!

stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

not knowing that a frewentch beat is generally the dullest beat of all!

How about not knowing that people have been making this same ill-informed assertion since the days of disco and despite all the bitching, the boompty boomp still keeps dancefloors moving all night long.

jeffery (jeffery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Keeping dancefloors moving does not necessarily equal keeping people dancing.

peepee (peepee), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Just thought of a couple more...

55) Taking off the wrong record

56) Turning off the currently cued turntable by accident

57) Turning up the volume so loudly that the Limiter cuts the PA

58) Spilling beer in the mixer

Graeme (Graeme), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Keeping dancefloors moving does not necessarily equal keeping people dancing.

Where I come from, "keeping a floor moving" means "keeping the people dancing and having a good time".

In a previous post, you claimed that the one beat pattern that serves as the foundation of techno, house and all subsequent variants is the "dullest beat of all" and then you follow it up with this? C'mon.

jeffery (jeffery), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I live in Los Angeles where, because of a lacking public transportion system, you actually have to make a serious effort to drive to a bar and then be careful not to drink too much.

While this is horrible, it is not as horrible as arriving at said bar only to find some "scenester" posing as a DJ (and yes, in LA white belts and trucker hats are STILL the uniform, especially for DJs) playing the same predictable, terrible set.

So I've pretty much stopped going to bars in LA.

So let me say to all you DJs out there who think playing predictable AC/DC songs (xpost) in your set is clever and/or enjoyable- FUCK OFF!!!!

And I like AC/DC, especially Bon Scott AC/DC, but really, drop in "Fight For Your Right To Party" while you're at it you fucking LOSER!

jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry about that- flashback to being surrounded in bar by meth-skinny guys with Oasis haircuts and low-rise jeans....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:48 (twenty-two years ago)

jsoulja, i love you!

stirmonster: its not an AC/DC hate point; its a pacing point

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 16:51 (twenty-two years ago)

spinbacks, like Blue Monday, are timelessy classic and will never be played out.

accidently playing the instrumental side when you meant to play the vocal side (see Planet Rock, Mr. Flagio, and others)

as bad as bad beatmatching is, let's shake our heads at people who, because they can hold a mix forever, insist on doing so, even though the songs sound terrible together.

DJs not having fun with transitions, endlessly beatmatching and fading and never cutting.

I dance behind the tables, and I've been known to run out onto the dancefloor and dance for a song then run back and keep mixing.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i don't think it's clever as ac / dc are stoopid as hell. i certainly don't think it's enjoyable, i FUCKING KNOW it's enjoyable, ya freak.

i dj because i love it and if playing ac / dc records from time to time gives me and my crowd a hard on, who the hell are you to decide it's lame?

asswipe,

stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm stupid -- what does spinback mean? xpost

stirmonster, do you dj junior high dances?

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you even read what I wrote?

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:08 (twenty-two years ago)

59) taking several hundred magic mushrooms when yr supposed to be dj'ing to 5000 people.

60) throwing records out of the dj booth and breaking someone's nose.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:09 (twenty-two years ago)

nah mate, strictly barmitzvahs.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 17:10 (twenty-two years ago)

The CD-r comps circulating around came from me originally, and I've stopped sending them out(for the most part) after people were selling them on ebay and gemm. I'm sure you'll find someone who'll make you a copy, or maybe one day they'll allow the stuff to be reissued.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

dude nabisco, I know it's not cool and all, but music theory is your friend.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, so some dj's actually USE the xfader?
back when i was learning to mix (10 yrs ago now) i was mercilessly berated for relying on the xfader. so now i solely use my input level sliders to mix, and don't think i could go back to xfading - too little control over each signal

i'll add one:

62: not setting your gear up properly stable for a basement party and upon getting too excited with the peak of your set and jumping up and down, inadvertantly knocking the whole coffin off its stand onto the floor, hearing the record go "SKKKKRKKKK", the case go "THUNKK" and then having total silence while you stand there going from the highest high to the lowest low. (thankfully i only did this once)

oh and 63: staying with one style/genre for HOURS (i'm specifically thinking of ProgHouse and DnB djs) so that the set sounds like one megalong version of the same record

rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(Does my friend music theory say "fast 3/4" = "not 3/4?" Cause from what I do know about time signatures, you pretty much default to using whichever one is easier to denote; I'd find the average Raumschmiere track a billion times easier to denote in a fast 3/4 than as a 4/4 with constant triplets. Besides, I've never used a sequencer that didn't understand 3/4 a hell of a lot better than triplets.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't use the crossfader.

I prefer the input faders to rotary knobs because it's easier to change both with one hand on the former.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I use whatever. Sometimes I fade things out by yelling over top of them.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

dude nabisco just give up it's not 3/4!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

TRIPLET
Understanding the TRIPLET is very important before moving on to the somewhat tricky "blues rhythms"....(especially the "shuffle" blues pattern).
The TRIPLET consists of three notes tied together and all three notes get played on ONE BEAT. Don't let the triplet confuse you....all three notes are played on one beat...and counted as one complete beat in the measure. Listen to Exercise #1 to hear how a triplet sounds. "on the beat".

Exercise #1: contains three measures with triplets and rests in each measure. The Time Signature is 4/4...which means 4 beats to the measure and the quarter note (and each TRIPLET) gets one beat.

Click on the SOUND Icon --> midi to hear Exercise #1.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

"SHUFFLE PATTERN" ..or.. "Swinging Eighth Notes
You can now count whole, half, quarter, eighth, and sixteenth notes...AND...you can count Triplets. Now let's look at the "swinging" eight notes, also referred to as a "shuffle pattern" in blues.

The "swinging eighth note" is written as two eighth notes

BUT the "swinging eighth note" is PLAYED like a dotted eighth note and a sixteenth note.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)

1.2.3.2.2.3.3.2.3.4.2.3.

the music literate would call this pioneering new beat you described above as: "a waltz".

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, Gygax, and A WALTZ IS FUCKING 3/4!!!!

Stencil, you're not quite listening: yes, if you are writing with triplets / swing / regular shuffle, that's most certainly 4/4, and you could certainly put together schaffel stuff that way. But schaffel has a feel that's slightly different from that. My guess is that that's because schaffel is put together using electronic sequencers that aren't typically user-friendly about programming triplets or doing very good hard shuffles. I've tried programming schaffel that way, and it bugs the living crap out of me. Programming schaffel as a very-fast 3/4, on the other hand, turns out -- for me -- to be a billion times simpler, and to capture the particular feel of e.g. Raumschmiere a whole lot better. The feel of what you're talking about is ever so slightly different from the feel of the same thing programmed out (in about a tenth of the time) as a fast 3/4, and you're welcome to come up to my apartment any time you want and observe a demonstration.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

cut-corner Raumschmiere, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

HOW DO I BEAT MATCH POLYRHYTHMSASSAS

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

I have no idea how Raumschmiere does his stuff, but listening to that remix of "3hours" my head would fucking explode if he didn't do that in a fast 3/4. It would just be weird. It's got that revolving three-note bass line -- with a true regular swing, one of those notes would be slightly longer!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, my actual contribution to this thread = 64., the saddest DJ experience I have ever had. Walk up to booth (in small bar), say something like "Hey, nice, I'm surprised you're playing this, I used to really love this song." Him: "Yeah, well, I forgot switch discs when the last one ended."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:51 (twenty-two years ago)

well I disagree with you biscodisco but at least you're taking it seriously, which is better than the knee-jerk "music theory can't teach us anything" response. Which is a DJ sin as well as a rock crit sin.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread reminds me of why I prefer radio DJing to live DJing. Less pressure to please people, more room to throw a bunch of divergent styles together to see what sticks. I think I've committed 75% of the above crimes, from "not being thin" to not beat-matching. I mean, I've played the fucking Shaggs in my live DJ set.

mike a, Wednesday, 16 June 2004 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

ILM-Ruining microhouse for the universe.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 16 June 2004 21:56 (twenty-two years ago)

During the playing of a gaggle of (dance) music I selected, I played something which led the resident DJ of the club to come over and say "I wish I had the nerve to play that!"

I had two words to say to him:

"Duh"

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is reminding how much I hate 'eclectic' hipster dj's and the club nights they run. Just give me the 140bpm 909 kick all night long kthxbye.

tylero (tylero), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"Just give me the 140bpm 909 kick all night long"
=
"Put me on a couch with my eyes taped open and make
me watch daytime television"

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the opposite of "eclectic hipster"?

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

schaffel is in 6/8

sorry. (gcannon), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

frewentch is in 8/8

peepee (peepee), Thursday, 17 June 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the opposite of "eclectic hipster"?

"house music all night long"

tylero (tylero), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

666. Not enough PLUR.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:25 (twenty-two years ago)

as long as "eclectic" != "disjointed" aces!

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you can be eclectic and play house music all night long. I don't really think No Way Back sounds like Big Fun sounds like Brake 4 Love sounds like Follow Me etc...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

House music is a big genre

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:35 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed

the housefox (blueski), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Well shucks, I half expected this to be a thread started by Pat Robertson about 1000 Homo DJs!

Supah not!

* cymbal crash

Hey!
m.

msp as rodney dangerfield, Thursday, 17 June 2004 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

(Aha, cannon is k-right: my illiterate "fast 3/4" = 6/8.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the biggest crime is not paying attention to what the crowd wants. Sure its important to play records you feel should be played but the last time i played out everybody loved it when i stuck some Fleetwood Mac. So when i was expecting to play dancey stuff I ended up playing Iggy, Velvet Underground etc. And it was good to make people happy. I am thin and i can't beat mix so If I'm playing some really long house I'll just mix Pam ayres in doing her West country poetry then stick on Jah Rule. Never fails.

noggin out with sharon davies, Thursday, 17 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I am thin and i can't beat mix so If I'm playing some really long house I'll just mix Pam ayres in doing her West country poetry then stick on Jah Rule. Never fails

... to clear the floor?

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

that should read Break 4 Love up there, btw.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan otm, as per.

eclecticism is the most pimped out gimmick around, as regards DJing. Not to dismiss it entirely, whatever "it" is, but the idea that eclecticism is somehow more difficult to harness than purity, in dance music, is nonsense. And I say that meaning that finding a common thread among records from different genres can make a great set, but the effort to do this is important.

Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 18 June 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

60) throwing records out of the dj booth and breaking someone's nose.

61 (or whatever): throwing records out of the DJ booth, cutting someone's head open and then ending your set because of "the trauma" (Sasha did this at my old student union last week. No I wasn't there)

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Friday, 18 June 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

the word 'eclectic' makes me wanna puke. loving different styles of music and wanting to play them all does not = ec**ect*c.

stirmonster, Saturday, 19 June 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Shaffel is really more like 12/8 < / pedant >

Clarke B. (Clarke B.), Saturday, 19 June 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

59) taking several hundred magic mushrooms when yr supposed to be dj'ing to 5000 people.
60) throwing records out of the dj booth and breaking someone's nose.

-- stirmonster (jd_twitc...), June 16th, 2004.

hahaha!! i'd forgotten about this thread.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 13 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

60 answers and nobody mentions the cardinal sin of NOT LOOKING AT THE DANCEFLOOR EVAR

blunt (blunt), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

Clarke B. OTM abt 12/8 (he wrote belatedly)

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I laugh my head off if I look too much at the dancefloor. "They're dancing! look at them!". I think it's nerves.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

xpost

Ah, yes...back when people still gave a f&ck.

viborgu, Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Shaffel is NOTHING like 12/8 < / überpedant >

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Anyone ever been out anywhere where the DJ tries to send a hilarious message or make a "wild" statement by playing two tracks in a row?

E.g. I once heard the Strokes new single around the time it came out, followed by 'Dedicated follower of fashion'. Hoho.

I'm sure there's been more, too. Usually it's along the lines of "oh hey this credible indie/rock track you all love is actually a rip-off of this little-known PWL song from the 80s!"

Not the real Village People, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 17:16 (sixteen years ago)

i do it but only if I like both songs.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:45 (sixteen years ago)

i do it too, but again, like dan says.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 18 August 2009 20:59 (sixteen years ago)

I <3 this thread.

Even if I violate the Not Being Thin rule.

I do however heed the "being at least 50% female at all times" rule.

hüzün (Masonic Boom), Tuesday, 18 August 2009 21:09 (sixteen years ago)

I once heard the Strokes new single around the time it came out, followed by 'Dedicated follower of fashion'.

oh thats so bad

NI, Sunday, 23 August 2009 15:15 (sixteen years ago)


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