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....the boat or the music.

Cruises for Music Lovers Jam Their Way Across the Seas

June 17, 2004
By CHRIS NELSON

Les Claypool, the bass-guitar player and leader of the
oddball psychedelic band Primus, has a taste for the
strange. He has, after all, written a song called "Pork
Soda" and has named another of his groups Colonel
Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains.

So it comes as little surprise that he got a charge from
the surreal vision he witnessed this last January onboard
for Jam Cruise 2, a four-night sea outing for fans of
improvisational rock bands.

"Here we are playing at 4 in the morning, we're doing this
demented, twisted version of "Another Brick in the Wall,'
he said." You know, people are tripping and having a good
old time and we're cruising past Cuba."

The experience proved so enjoyable for Mr. Claypool that he
has signed up for Jam Cruise 3 next January. So did nearly
500 fans who registered to pay between $550 and $1,125 for
next year's trip even before the musical lineup was
announced. The cruise, which was organized by Cloud 9
Adventures in Boca Raton, Fla., is scheduled with multiple
sets from jam band favorites like Galactic, Jon Fishman of
Phish, North Mississippi Allstars, Ozomatli and DJ Logic.

The jam bands, however, do not have the seas to themselves.
Also next January, the honky-tonk singer-songwriter Delbert
McClinton is staging his 11th - and largest - Delbert
McClinton & Friends Cruise, with the singer John Hiatt and
others. The same month, the Legendary Rhythm & Blues Cruise
sets sail with Taj Mahal, Dr. John, Susan Tedeschi and the
Derek Trucks Band. It sold out a year in advance.

Although the concert industry does not track sales from
music-related cruises, their number appears to be
increasing, said Ray Waddell, who reports on the tour
business for Billboard. The cruise business has plenty of
room to grow with jam bands, said Roger Naber, one of the
producers of Jam Cruise and a longtime producer of the
Legendary Rhythm & Blues Cruise. "It's a new concept for
this genre of music. They've only thought of cruises being
for newlyweds or nearly deads. It is changing." These
cruises, organizers said, are drawing customers who are
slightly older than the usual rock festival crowds, who may
be burnt out on the dirt, junk food and porta potties that
come with most rock festivals.

"Now that I'm getting a little bit older, I'm not all about
fighting the crowds, camping out in some big muddy field
and stuff like that," said Marc Smith, 33, of
Charlottesville, Va., who went on last January's Jam Cruise
to Nassau. "With the Jam Cruise, you get your own cabin, a
clean bathroom, food to eat, showers. All that stuff's
important to me."

Music-theme cruises - primarily jazz and big band - have
been popular for at least 20 years, said Gary Bongiovanni,
the editor of the concert trade publication Pollstar. Not
surprisingly, the music on those trips was geared toward a
slightly older crowd, since older customers had more money
to afford cruises. Today any number of travel agencies
promote theme trips like oldies cruises, country cruises,
even banjo cruises.

But charter music trips like the Jam Cruise differ from the
more traditional theme cruises because they trade elements
like black-tie dinners and bingo for a music schedule that
can run around the clock.

This new circle of cruisegoers wants to sail with musicians
who are willing to toss out standard set lists and jam as
the muse calls them, often playing in spontaneous groups.
While the audiences for these outings are not teenagers,
they are not the A.A.R.P. crowd, either. Jam Cruisers, as
participants call themselves, average between 25 and 35,
and several music cruises attract crowds in their 30's and
40's, organizers said.

Tickets for Delbert McClinton's seven-night cruise cost
$995 to $4,300 a person; the rhythm and blues cruise ranges
from $1,250 to $2,500.

"The idea is definitely appealing to a younger generation,"
said Todd Wickersty, 33, of also of Charlottesville, a town
known for its fondness of jam bands, who went in March for
a weeklong cruise on which the jam band called moe played
six nights. "I can't say that I would have enjoyed the
nightime entertainment on the ship as much if moe hadn't
have been there."

Beyond the enticement of shows and sun, the cruises also
offer fans the chance to spend time hanging out with the
musicians onboard. "The artists are accessible and
available, and eat dinner with you and go snorkeling with
you on the shore excursions," said Dale McGinnis, 34, of
Melbourne, Fla., who was on the first of the two Jam
Cruises last January and is planning to be there next year
as well. "We're all on the same boat, literally and
figuratively," he said.

For many younger cruisers, the highlights are hidden in
unannounced or unanticipated music combos. Mr. McGinnis
recalled one spontaneous jazz jam in an unused bar on a Jam
Cruise that featured the bassist Rob Wasserman (who has
played with the likes of Lou Reed and Elvis Costello),
members of the Dirty Dozen Brass Band and Galactic, plus a
fan onboard who just happened to play.

This kind of improvisational group falls together easily
among blues, jazz and jam musicians. Whether the cruise
environment will translate so easily to other smaller
musical niches is unclear. But Josh Moore, the Jam Cruise
band booker, said he would like to assemble alternative
country and neo-soul cruises as well.

"I would imagine it would work with any situation," Mr.
Claypool said, even for a heavy metal marathon like
Ozzfest. "I'm not sure I'd want to be on it," he add. "But
you could do it."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/17/arts/music/17CRUI.html?ex=1088436118&ei=1&en=d2d60eb381edd8b7

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

at least it isn't CREED and NICKELBACK

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed. Most jam band stuff is crap, but I'll take it over MTV alternabland/fake pop punk like New Found Glory any day. I'd even rather listen to *shudder* Dave Matthews Band than Nickleback. Just typing out the name makes me wanna barf.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

CREED and NICKELBACK should play on a russian nuclear sub.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:48 (twenty-two years ago)

CREED and NICKELBACK should play on a rocket headed directly into the sun.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 17 June 2004 04:49 (twenty-two years ago)

1. I wouldn't want to see any band play for six straight nights.
2. Going on a tropical cruise and fooling yourself into thinking you're attending some hip Glasto on water event = pathetic.
3. Aaron is otm.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i literally can't differentiate between creed and nickelback.

gem (trisk), Thursday, 17 June 2004 05:24 (twenty-two years ago)

hating on jam band stuff is like the cool people's version of "I like all kinds of music except rap!"

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 12:41 (twenty-two years ago)

funniest post so far today, aaron.

peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 17 June 2004 12:43 (twenty-two years ago)

2. Going on a tropical cruise and fooling yourself into thinking you're attending some hip Glasto on water event = pathetic.

I agree with this sentence entirely, yet somehow the sentiment behind it makes me somewhat I-just-threw-up-a-little-in-my-mouth-y.

LIKE OMG PEOPLE ARE SUCH ASSHATS FOR WANTING TO GO ON A CRUISESHIP WHERE THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO SEE MUSICIANS THAT THEY LIKE PERFORM MUSIC THEY LIKE OMG THE NERVE OF THOSE FUCKFACES

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:00 (twenty-two years ago)

North Mississippi All-Stars and Ozomatli and DJ Logic and Primus are all fucking really ridiculously good in concert btw. And Carribbean cruises are the shit.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)

!!! played on a ship last week.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:02 (twenty-two years ago)

See, that's okay though. Er, "hip".

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:04 (twenty-two years ago)

the dude from !!! looks like fucking Luke Walton.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I would walk the plank.

Francisco Monar (fmonar), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:06 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Primus' music is very piratey at times.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:10 (twenty-two years ago)

=

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:12 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.kwark.org/gfx/2000/12/momus.schuif.jpg

0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:15 (twenty-two years ago)

here's a good shot of Luke with his stupid GRATEFUL DEAD tattoo:

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

LIKE OMG PEOPLE ARE SUCH ASSHATS FOR WANTING TO GO ON A CRUISESHIP WHERE THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BE ABLE TO SEE MUSICIANS THAT THEY LIKE PERFORM MUSIC THEY LIKE OMG THE NERVE OF THOSE FUCKFACES
The sentiment behind it was largely in reaction to this line:

"These cruises, organizers said, are drawing customers who are
slightly older than the usual rock festival crowds, who may
be burnt out on the dirt, junk food and porta potties that
come with most rock festivals".

as in, "wow, we're cool and hip like we used to be and we don't have to pitch a tent in the mud". Fine, but being at an outdoor festival is one thing, and vacationing in luxury on a cruise ship is completely different. It's a short step away from a floating Vegas casino with nightly performances by Wayne Newton.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG THAT SOUNDS TEH AWESOME!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh wait, Wayne Newton's not the guy that played Newman on Seinfeld is he?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

danke schoen, dude.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 14:44 (twenty-two years ago)

What's the big fuckin' deal? No one is forcing anyone to go on this cruise. If the bands were different and suited to your musical tastes, I'd bet most of the people bitching would be interested in going on that.

Davlo (Davlo), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

No, because
1. I wouldn't want to see any band play for six straight nights.
and even if I did, I wouldn't buy into the idea of the cruise as a floating Woodstock for former crusties, it's a cruise, with on-deck entertainment just like all the others.
There are much cheaper cruises that don't bill themselves as a rock festival alternative for ex-hippies.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 17 June 2004 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Barry, you missed my point. Look beyond the "rock festival alternative for ex-hippies."

My point was that if it was a bunch of bands you really liked, you might not be so quick to dismiss the idea.

I was commenting on the attitude that is so prevalent here; the one where some people like to go on about how much cooler and hipper they are than the rest of the idiots in the world. Do these people take themselves so seriously in all aspects of their lives? Must be a drag to be around them.

Davlo (Davlo), Friday, 18 June 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been to one festival, and I didn't like the fact that it was muddy and I hate camping and shit and no clean toilets and I fucking hate hippies. Now, if there was actually a festival with bands I wanted to see, but if it was on a ship instead of a muddy field in the country, I'd be more likely to go.

All the cruises mentioned in the article do sound cringeworthy though. I think Coil, Black Dog, Psychic TV etc. could make a good cruise.

Sasha (sgh), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd still rather keep my cruises separate from my music. Worlds colliding, and all that.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"You got your cruises in my music!"

"You got your music in my cruises!"

"You've got to toooooolerate all those people that you hate..." (After all, what is that song if not a new Love Boat theme?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I see what Davlo's saying here, what if it was 6 nights/6 different bands that represented a cross section of ilmer-taste?
imagine something like this:
night 1: Sonic Youth
night 2: The Fall
night 3: Killing Joke
night 4: Vooredoms
night 5: Pixies
night 6: Tom Waits
I might go to something like that.(Sasha's list would be, uh, quite an experience as well)
you could quibble with that list, it's off the top of my head-but you get my drift.
However FTR, I haven't taken my taste in anything seriously or thought I was "cooler" for liking this over that since I was like 17. Nor do I really take anything said seriously on this, a fucking internet message board. The attitude Davlo speaks of is prevelant here because of what seems to be a general consensus of: "mainstream music sucks, let's find something more interesting to talk about" for the most part, along with the fact that bitching about mainstream or otherwised deemed uncool stuff like jam bands when it is brought up has always been an acceptable "hipster" passtime, ILM or otherwise. And we just like to smart off, even if it's about stuff we actually like in real life. Take a deep breath and have some fun. It's only talk, Davlo. Hope that helps.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, if we tailor the lineup specifically for the cruise, it might work. That is, you can't just take any festival lineup and throw it onto a cruise ship (this is what I've been disagreeing with, some lineups *need* to be outdoors in a field, or in dark buildings in a cool city (MUTEK)). The question is, what would work well on a tropical cruise?

Yes Ned, we need a ballroom on the ship where SFA play "Juxtapozed With U" 24 hours a day. This is a good start.

Other suggestions : Dettinger (ambient sets by the pool)
Pixies (for the last night, everyone gets drunk one last time and sings along)
Sub Dub, Deadbeat, and Rome can handle the dub duties

Now this is starting to sound like fun.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 18 June 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)


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