Books and Authors That Pop Music Made You Read

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1) Kate Bush -> James Joyce: I'd already been somewhat intrigued when The Pogues inserted JJ as a sort of band member on the inner sleeve of If I Should Fall from Grace with God. But it was a feature on KB in the NME, where they mentioned that "The Sensual World" was based on a punctuation-free last chapter in a novel of his, that set me off on the Joycean route. I used to read Ulysses on the hour-long bus ride to work early in the mornings, and marvelled at how, when I fell asleep (as I nearly always did), my dreams were sometimes about continuing reading it. I became a total JJ pest for the next few years, I'm sure, and was amazed at how many Joycean references seemed to show up in my records, both those I bought and those already in my possession -- from NoMeansNo to Current 93 to Syd Barrett. This Joyce fixation led further to Beckett and Ionesco, amongst others.

2) Kate Bush -> Emily Brontë: I suppose I read Wuthering Heights earlier than I would otherwise due to the Kebt, if indeed I would have done so otherwise.

("Cloudbusting" never made me read any Wilhelm Reich, though.)

3) Frankie Goes to Hollywood -> Dylan Thomas: I Was A Teenage Frankie Fan, and naturally bought their first post-Pleasuredome single "Rage Hard" -- in a rather phallic "pop-up fists" ltd ed sleeve, no less. The sleeve quotes Thomas' "Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night", which in time led me to Under Milk Wood and (OMG Joyce reference again WTF) A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Dog.

4) Marc Almond -> Edna St. Vincent Millay: The chorus of "My Candle Burns" off Stories of Johnny is a short poem of hers. I searched the local libraries for more by her, but only found a couple of sonnets in anthologies. Nice to see her pop up on ILE recently :)

Yours?

OleM (OleM), Sunday, 15 August 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The cure -> The Stranger (Killing an Arab)

Didn't make me, but just how I found out about Camus.

David Allen (David Allen), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Blue Oyster Cult -> Harold Robbins

dave q, Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Saul Bellow's "Henderson the Rain King" after Counting Crows' "Rain King" in high school. Hell, I really like that song, and love the book.

Kate Silver (Kate Silver), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Joy Division -> Gogol, Dostoevsky, led to brief fixation on 19th century Russian literature

Smiths -> Wilde. But I didn't realize Delaney's Taste of Honey was also a Morrissey source when I started it.

Patti Smith -> Rimbaud.

I suppose Reginald Smith-Brindle's "El Polifemo de Oro" -> Lorca's "The Riddle of the Guitar" and even that was practically forced on me by my teacher. Otherwise I barely even read these days to tell the truth.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 15 August 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

King Crimson's album Beat -> all variety of dodgy beat shit and the Sheltering Sky (Paul Bowles, which I first learned of through that Police song)
Peter Gabriel's Mercy Street -> Anne Sexton

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 15 August 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Forced Entries and Basketball Diaries inspired by the author's mucic here.

jim wentworth (wench), Sunday, 15 August 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Sonic Youth made me pick up science fiction with a vengeance after a few years off, back in the day... Daydream Nation pointed me towards William Gibson, but then I had already read most of Philip K Dick by the time I picked up the references in Sister.

autovac (autovac), Sunday, 15 August 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Dylan-->LOVE & THEFT, by Eric Lott: an exploration of minstrelsey and America (No American Studies doctrine here.He lets/stimulates reader explore implications re music x other in presentday.)

Don Allred, Sunday, 15 August 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hearing "Bug Powder Dust" gave me a yen to re-read Naked Lunch.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 15 August 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my favorite songs of all time, by my alltime favorite musical artist, got me intrigued enough to check out one of those Great Philosophical Minds we were never going to cover in high school.

Yes, Duran Duran's "Last Chance on the Stairway" compelled me to purchase Voltaire's Candide at an in-school book sale back when I was a freshman in high school, just so I could understand what SLB meant when he sang, "Funny it's just like a scene out of Voltaire, twisting out of sight...." I understood soon enough.

Hm. I still have that book somewhere in my Big Wicker Chest O' Books. Maybe it's time I give it another try....

Many Coloured Halo (Dee the Lurker), Sunday, 15 August 2004 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

As a teenage Genesis fan, I read somewhere that "The Cinema Show" was based on a poem by a bloke called T.S. Eliot, so I got the Selected Poems out of our school library. I lost interest in Genesis before I lost interest in Eliot.

A few years later I bought a copy of The Dice Man, having heard The Fall's song of the same name.

I'm sure there are other examples, but those are the first two I remember.

noodle vague (noodle vague), Sunday, 15 August 2004 07:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Raymond Chandler and Ross Macdonald because of Warren Zevon.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 15 August 2004 08:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i read 'the go between' for a slightly obvious reason. rather enjoyed it too, very depressing ending though.

purple patch (electricsound), Sunday, 15 August 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Smiths -> Wilde + Delaney for me as well (although I saw the film before I actually read A Taste of Honey).

Also: The Fall sorta -> Nabokov, due to Bend Sinister reference. NOT THE POLICE HONEST.

OleM (OleM), Sunday, 15 August 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Velvet Underground -> Michael Leigh's Velvet Underground. Wish I hadn't read the book though. ;-)

jesus nathalie (nathalie), Sunday, 15 August 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Read Camus' The Fall because it was supposedly the source of the band's name.

And yeah, "Killing an Arab" made me read The Stranger back in seventh grade, but I really didn't get it.

What's the Joy Division - Gogol connection?

Jesse Lawson (eatandoph), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Dead Souls

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I was never inspired to read Ballard cuzza Joy Division. i did read leonard cohen and richard farina cuzza leonard cohen and richard farina though.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, i was inspired by buffy st.marie to listen to leonard cohen and then leonard cohen inspired me to read leonard cohen.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Kathy Acker inspired me to read Andrew Vacchs and Andrew Vacchs inspired me to listen to Judy Henske.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 15 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom Smith / To Live and Shave in L.A. pointed me to Ezra Pound, at least to a greater appreciation to the import of EP's work. Smith certainly name-checks him as an influence. TL&S's lyrics are a vertigo-inducing warp of lit influences... I hear Burroughs, the French Surrealists, Henry Miller (obvious), the list seems endless. One well-read dude. Their "Helen Butte" CD has amazing word-play...

alann singh, Sunday, 15 August 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Iron Maiden - Bruce Dickinson - The Adventures of Lord Iffy Boatrace

jel -- (jel), Sunday, 15 August 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I just read Bend Sinister by Nabokov last week; I already liked him (Pale Fire, Lolita, Laughter in the Dark . . . all great) but it was definitely the Fall that led me to read this one. And I'm glad because it was super good, it's odd the way you read with the lense of whoever recommended it to you on . . . did anybody see that art installation that was a library consisting only of fiction recommended by the Manic Street Preachers? Awful band, cool idea-somebody should do it based on the tastes of David Tibet. Or David Lee Roth.

Drew Daniel

Drew Daniel, Sunday, 15 August 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

can't think of anything here...actually, trying to listen to nick cave made me realize how much i dislike faulkner...

eddie hurt (ddduncan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

did anybody see that art installation that was a library consisting only of fiction recommended by the Manic Street Preachers?

See it? It was my bookshelf ten years ago.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 15 August 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

has anyone here sought out that book about brain-eating apes because of listening to much devo? (no, i haven't -- i'm just curious)

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 15 August 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

nabokov -- the fall (as mentioned above) and the police (god help me)

ballard and philip dick -- gary numan (that's obvious, innit?)

i was reading hl mencken around the same time i discovered frank zappa -- which would explain some things wr2 me.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 15 August 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Tropicalistas (esp. Os Mutantes and Tom Ze)-->TROPICAL TRUTHS by Caetano Veloso. I'm so far not that hot for CV's own music (though haven't heard A FOREIGN SOUND, which even doubters like Xgau dig). But this os one of the best books I've ever read: multi-D lucidity I can only aspire to write, course it helps that he lived/lives it. Brazil through 'lista lens, and Ze knows, vice-versa.
Harmonica Frank Floyd/Frank Kogan-->DEEP BLUES by Robert Palmer. 2 Franks, 2 RPs, this 'un is NYTimes crit/Memphis muso (incl. Insect trust's setting of Pynchon lyrics). FK counts as muso-guide cos he told me that bluesoidiana in his skronksongs came in part from this:"He wrote about blues with 'extra' bars so I wrote some of those." This x HF's music led me further; as w Tropicalia, needed Memphis guidance (happy-ending-wuss me!).

Don Allred, Sunday, 15 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I read Flannery O'Connor in the 80s b/c Sprintsteen said how much he like her writing.

Mark (MarkR), Sunday, 15 August 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I read Franz Fanon's Wretched of the Earth and gads of Black Panther-related materials(Soul on Ice, Seize the Time, biographies) due to the Coup's classic Kill My Landlord. Read a little Camus after the Digable Planets namedropped them. Drawing a blank

orangeblazer, Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, Sonic Youth got me to pick up a Phil Dick book too. I never finished it.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone get into Dire Straits because of the Hitchhiker's Trilogy? Is Dom a Douglas Adams fan?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Sunday, 15 August 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was another Sonic Youth fan inspired to read PKD.
More than any one musician, it was Lester Bangs who motivated me to read "Naked Lunch" and a few other William S. Burroughs books. (Also "On The Road", which bored the piss out of me. Truman Capote had a point.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 16 August 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I had already read The Time Machine and War Of The Worlds when Neil Diamond inspired me to re-read H. G. Wells in one of his early seventies numbers. So, figuring that I had an elective here, I also picked up Solzhenitsyn's The First Circle.

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 16 August 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Blur -> London Fields, Herman Hesse

Bauhaus -> William S. Burroughs, Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Lautremont, etc.

Spiritualized -> Sophie's World, Paul Bowles (Yes, I own the book "Let It Come Down" though I do not own the album.)

The Jesus & Mary Chain -> The Magic Garden of Stanley Sweetheart

I just realised that I am *way* too easily influenced by pop music...

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yes...

The Cure -> Camus, Ghormenghast

Rolling Stones -> The Master and Margarita

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

did anybody see that art installation that was a library consisting only of fiction recommended by the Manic Street Preachers?

some magazine once published a list of Richey Edwards' favorite books (there were about 40 or 50) and 16-year-old J.D. set out to read ALL of them (!). most of them were pretty good.

that truman capote quote re: kerouac = most irritatingly overused quote of the century.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't believe that no one has mentioned Simon's Reader, either. (Not that I've ever actually read any of the books that he reccomended.

I do, however, have to admit that I shamelessly read every single book that Alex James ever reccomended. That was an awful lot of Andre Gide. (And Corelli's Mandolin, for some strange reason.)

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, what's the Cure/Gormenghast connection?

oh, and The Divine Comedy made me read/think I wanted to read various things.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 16 August 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The Drowning Man is verbatim, a scene from Ghormenghast. The scene where Fuschia drowns herself, if memory serves.

Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Monday, 16 August 2004 09:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Further to that from a 2000 interview:

RF : Another girl haunts your music : Fuschia, character of "Gormenghast trilogy" by Mervyn Peake, she
inspires "The drowning man" et appears on live improvisations.

RS : Fuschia was my dream. This idea of infinite, of unreal, of dying innocence (silence)... At that time I was
considering myself as her, as a victim. Now my fascination transmuted into anger. I want to shake her, to put her
out of her contemplative passivity. But all of this is question of age. It's normal, as a teenager, to love this idea of
being a victim, the whole world is against me, no one understands me, except my books. Lots of my reading
connected with that. It's been after "Pornography" that I decided to change, after the no return point. This change
has been radical, but it's been vital.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 16 August 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

This may be off-topic slightly, but Chuck D's rhymes got me to read Martin Luther King and Malcolm X. This was back in high school, when I was struggling with a VERY p.c. case of angst about being white and into hip-hop.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Monday, 16 August 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

That's really not off-topic, Tantrum. Music's effect on you and your dealing w self-image led to to reading. Me too, in that I was once scared of jazz! Reading "Downbeat" in the high school band room, feeling intimidated, then somehow I started listening; liked it, felt need to read more; read some of Leroi Jones' BLACK MUSIC, went to more jazz, as much to understand what he was talking about as to understand the music better, comparing words to music and vice-versa, my own impressions of music the fulcrum). Went back and forth, continues so to this day.Seems natural enough.

Don Allred, Monday, 16 August 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I had the same experience as Tantrum. "Newton Cleaver and Seale? Who are they?" So I bought all their books. Well, actually, I stole my copy of Newton's Revolutionary Suicide from the high school library because I couldn't find it anywhere else! I feel kinda bad about that anyway, not that anyone would miss it in that little burg. Couldn't believe they even had a copy of it, actually. I never could find anything by Chesimard.

Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

"It may have been Camelot for Jack and Jacqueline
But on the Che Guevara highway filling up with gasoline
Fidel Castro's brother spies a rich lady who's crying
Over luxury's disappointment
So he walks over and he's trying
To sympathise with her but he thinks that he should warn her
That the Third World is just around the corner"

This Billy Bragg verse led me to the middle school library in search of a Che Guevara biography. I think the next verse sent me looking through the encyclopedia for Robert Oppenheimer.

ianinportland (ianinportland), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

read Morning of the Magicians, The Adventures of Luther Awkwright, BLAST! and The Great God Pan due to Mark E. Smith interview scrutiny. I had never heard of any of these prior.

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Manic Street Preachers (Mainly Richey Edwards)-> Rimbaud, Ageyev, Phillip Larkin
Blur -> Cooper, Amis
And someone turned me onto Bukowski when I was 18..Pearl Jam or Rollins maybe? Can't remember.

Lola, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"That's really not off-topic, Tantrum. Music's effect on you and your dealing w self-image led to to reading. Me too, in that I was once scared of jazz!"

I can relate to this. For me it was a question of "Can I enjoy and possibly learn
from a music that seems so obviously not made for my consumption?" It was also the first time that I really rubbed up against the very casual and unquestioned racism that I grew up with (not, I should add, from my family, but from my school friends and their families) .


"Well, actually, I stole my copy of Newton's Revolutionary Suicide from the high school library because I couldn't find it anywhere else! I feel kinda bad about that anyway, not that anyone would miss it in that little burg. Couldn't believe they even had a copy of it, actually. "

I can absolutely relate to this, too - I was suprised to find ANY black-centred books in my lily-white military town.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Orlando -> Virginia Woolf. Very entertaining if you care enough, but would make for horrendous required reading
The Smiths -> Wilde for me too

Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if anyone's picked up "Ask the Dust" by John Fante because of Ricky Fante.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

here's a short list of pop artists and the books they were always on about that I actually read and what I thought of their taste:
Kurt Cobain -> Suskind "Perfume", Burroughs "Naked Lunch", assorted Bukowski (good stuff)
Henry Rollins -> Miller "Tropic of Cancer", Hubert Selby Jr. "Last Exit to Brooklyn", "Requiem for a Dream" (pretty good)
Marilyn Manson ->Anton LaVey (dork)
Nick Cave -> Nabokov "Lolita" (very good)
Brian Eno -> John Cage "Silence" (excellent)

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread gave me the idea to check AMG for a book title and see what came up; I typed in "The Magus", from the John Fowles novel of that name... and Yanni appeared.

It's clearly the Greek connection.

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

When I first heard the Beatles' "Bad Boy," with John screaming,"Buyyyyy every rock and roll book on the magazine stand," I was really struck by the fact that this was one of the Bad Boy's great sins. (His mother and/or father's screaming at him, see. Like,"Go to tha babah shop and get that HAAH cut offuh yo HEEAAD") So anyway that's when it occurred to me to start *reading about* popular soundz; don't think I was into reading much of anything right before that. Bad Boy!

Don Allred, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 05:27 (twenty-one years ago)

"Anarchists in love" after seeing one of those 'lead singer on the toilet' photos, this time it was oh who was it again? "Two minute mind", guitar band girl singer, quite good but oversold and Oasis killed their career. One word name I think, not Echobelly. On the "Shagging in the streets" Fierce panda.

Ever noticed how on all those pictures, they always look fake as no pants are seen?

Anyhow, the book. Set in the mid sixties (well that's when the book was published), and yet you can see Brighton hasn't changed radically for all that...

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Costello -> high fidelity

Symplistic (shmuel), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

joy division -> james ballard "atrocities exhibition"
blur -> martin amis "london fields"
sex pistols -> guy debord "the society of spectacle"
cure -> camus "the stranger"


giulio from genova, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Manic Street Preachers -> William Burroughs, 'American Psycho'
Blur -> Martin Amis


ENRG, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Bak in mid-70s, I discovered that Thin Lizzy did some songs based on Colin McInnes' (MacInnes?)CITY OF SPADES, about youth culture in London before the Beatles.West Indian and homegrown black and well as white youth, via music & pot (+ some dating!). His ABSOLUTE BEGINNERS (later a movie starring David Bowie) also part of a trilogy: see if you can find the one-volume COS,AB, and MR. LOVE AND JUSTICE, but really CITY is the best. I think these books were kind of like a (funkier) J.D. Salinger stash for 60s UK (esp. ABSOLUTE, the guy's like a streetwise Holden C., but still tooo goodboy for me)

Don Allred, Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Robert Smith and Steve Kilbey raving about Mervyn Peake's "Gormenghast" - they made it sound like my kind of book.
Here in Italy Peake is totally unknown, my girlfriend found for me an old, battered copy of the only 1979 pressing. But it was just the first installment of the trilogy: they never released the remaining two volumes!

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

on the other hand, Belle & Sebastian "Wrapped in books" makes Lord Mort satanically laugh at the burning of memory of Alexandria's library.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

You are a wise, wise man.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

When I first heard the Beatles' "Bad Boy," with John screaming,"Buyyyyy every rock and roll book on the magazine stand," I was really struck by the fact that this was one of the Bad Boy's great sins.

"bad boy" written and originally performed by larry williams. but, yeah, the beatles version is probably better on account of lennon's vocal.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

add me to the sonic youth --> philip k. dick club. not because of anything i actually noticed on sonic youth's records, but because of the reviews that happened to mention it. "flow my tears, the policeman said" and "ubik" are both classics.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I read Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker because of Tori Amos, because it inspired "Cornflake Girl" or something. It was... icky.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

When I was in about 4th Grade I had a Crash Test Dummies album that mentioned T.S. Eliot. I remember asking my dad who he was and the first thing he says is "an antisemite". Anyhow, we happened to own his collected poems and I browsed through the Old Possum's Book Of Practical Cats (because I had seen the play Cats) and have been reading him since.

"Cemetry Gates" actually lead me to read not Wilde but Keats and Yeats as my high school creative writing teacher wasn't one for teaching much non-contemporary poetry.

Reed Rosenberg (reed), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

before i was born my dad was in a folk band named "godot" which inspired me to read "waiting for godot"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

This is not light reading, but: if you go to google.com's Advanced Search page, and enter: Duluth lynching as your Exact Phrase, you'll get a lot of background on the real-life aspect of "Desolation Row," starting with "They're selling postcards of the hanging," which I thought of when the Iraqi prison pics popped up (you can see the lynchers proudly posing by their victims, like in Iraq)

Don Allred, Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

metallica made me live the chronicles of thomas covenant by stephen r donaldson. specifically, the song To live is to Die quotes from a bit of verse in the first book...

i was 14.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that 'Simon' must mean Simon Reynolds.

I was glad that it wasn't. I don't think I need his recommendations. His taste is bad, nowadays.

Billy Liar

the bellefox, Thursday, 19 August 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i yeah, i guess i havent read them yet, but when im done (i HAVE bought them), the decemberists will have made me read Billy Liar, Memoirs of a geisha, and Bee Season.

AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)


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