is it any good? it's damn expensive here - $20 for a single disc. i've read mixed reviews. most of the positive reviews are poorly-reasoned and seem to be based on the amazing cover design and the current strong hipster currency of classic chicago house. most of the negative reviews are just as poorly reasoned and say things like "very poorly mixed!!!" and "these tunes are 10 years old!!!"
i think i am preconverted (in favor of) and want to be talked out of it, mainly because eskimo's releases always turn out to be a bit less than the sum of their parts.
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)
To be honest I am the only one who's into it, I recommended it to Spencer a short while ago. It's good but it gets a bit grating to listen to all at once, the amount of Jeanette Thomas style repetition is fairly intense.
That said there are some ace tracks, "Waiting For My Angel", "It's Time To Ride", "I'm Strong", "Optimo" etc. I have a feeling the Trax comp will be way better.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)
fwiw as regards eskimo I probably like "Summer Madness" the most of their mixes. either that or eskimo II.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)
eskimo iii was a big dip i thought and eskimo iiii was a bit too trendy for my taste but a lot of the tracks were pretty good. summermadness aftersun was the shit, yes.
i'm just not that sold on serie noir or the death disco mixes, though. and i wish i could get a 2cd culture club comp with just the ragga/hip-pop sides.
― vahid (vahid), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)
Did you hear Culture Club 2 yet? It's not really as good as the first one. The Glimmers mix is really like Serie Noire I think. I did like their mix on the first Culture Club though.
The Eskimo comps sell SO SO SO easily though, without fail.
― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 15 August 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)
haha - I *wish* this were true.
As for 'Chicago Boogie', I saw it in the store but still haven't picked it up. I'll try to listen online and come back here. It seems like there are some oddball tracks on it, I'm imagining it to be like some kind of rare groove classic house.
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 15 August 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 16 August 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)
btw I am fairly sure Chicago House has big hipster currency at the moment, I think the problem for me is I'm not living in a city where hipster currency has currency. this may be the same for others.
there is alot of hipster currency with the word "JACK" at the moment, and a couple of the years big tracks could be trax.
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 16 August 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)
i don't think this is true at all, for what it's worth
― amateur!!!st, Monday, 16 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― oops (Oops), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― stirmonster, Monday, 16 August 2004 22:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― jed_ (jed), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― stirmonster, Monday, 16 August 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Monday, 16 August 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 16 August 2004 23:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)
and there's always this guy, talk about revivals!
http://www.vintagedj.com
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 05:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Perhaps in the future but right now I get "eww, techno!" eyerolls if I put on "French Kiss" at a party when I'm at school.
― djdee2005, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)
you mean when soul jazz releases the deluxe "paris is burning" reissue DVD with 2xCD set of music.
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)
Btw, I'm guessing the recommendations on Eskimo Comps are the two Series Noire mixes and the second Eskimo. Any others?
― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)
Things may be further along than you think - at least here in Toronto. I checked out a party a few weeks ago where Fast Eddie (remember "Yo Yo, Get Funky"???) rapped and DJed to a VERY receptive crowd.
The warmup DJ spun a healthy cross-section of stuff, including "Pump Up The Jam" (nice), "Confusion" (original 12-inch mix!), and "Do The Right Thing" (whoah!). People were going fucking mad (not the least of which was myself, having been too young to go clubbing when these records first hit).
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)
People in 1950s suburbia often responded to classic chicago house cuts with disdainful responses.
― djdee2005, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)
let's not be ashamed! it's a good word.
as regards "speaker" by mayer, it's good but it's nothing on "jack 2 jack"!
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― djdee2005, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 22:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)
this is really good!! much better than i expected, even. i had no idea. i am very surprised. i can't really collect my thoughts because it is 4+ hours past my bedtime but i am surprised at how much disco / postpunk / electro work their way into the mix. like lots and lots. much of it sounds like the secret wellspring from which all of tiga and ivan smagghe's ideas flow forth. lots of it even sounds like that silly miami vice theme shit that tiga and city rockers were up to years ago. much of it is snappy and intense and all tick-tock so the inclusion of liquid liquid is not the fluke it looks like on paper. much of it is moody and sad like the best derrick may. and the mixing is not bad at all, it's just super-fast cuts between the tracks but there's no trainwrecks and the beats and vibes and stuff match up OK.
fuck smagghe, this is the death disco right here.
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:08 (twenty-one years ago)
ps to tantrum the cat - the next dj who plays "pump up the jam" or "push it" or "supersonic" or "cars that go boom" or "let the music play" GETS MURDERED. that shit is played out.
― vahid (vahid), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 19 August 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 19 August 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)
i freaking hate that 'pleasure is the bass' track. those vocals = yukola!
― stirmonster, Thursday, 19 August 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)
please don't tell me you think "let the music play" belongs in that company.
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 August 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)
I think "Pump Up The Jam" transcends its played-out status right now because it sounds so timely. Although yeah if I was gonna push my turn of the decade house-pop revival aspirations at the moment I'd be playing different less obvious Technotronic, or "Deeper & Deeper", or "100% Pure Love", or "Here We Go (Let's Rock & Roll)" etc. etc.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 20 August 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)
Let the Music Play is ABSOLUTELY in that company by all means.
The Cars that Go Boom is just cute. It's by L'Trimm, Tigga and Bunny, one of whom was a manager at Spa/Plaid who I got to meet to get paid for a gig there.
I don't care for Pump Up the Jam, Supersonic is just great as a fun nostalgic rap on top of that same post Tour de France beat that all those west coast electro guys used, and I mix it w/ Tour de France and Twilight 22 and Jamie Jupiter/Egyptian Lover etc.
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 20 August 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)
"let the music play" is pretty and heartfelt but WHERE'S THE BASSLINE??
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 20 August 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)
I think that there is such thing as played out, though. I heard "Hey Ya" while out Saturday and it made me uncomfortable in a 50 First Dates kinda way. But the crowd was loving it, so who am I to judge?
I think Black Box should be on that less obvious house-pop list.
― Rich, Friday, 20 August 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)
I was obsessed with "Everybody, Everybody" in high school, shelling out for the 12" vinyl AND the import CD single (different mixes, y'see). Though the production techniques have dated, I still think the original version of this song has some great guidelines if you're producing vocal dance tracks (which I do).
EVERY single element in this song is a self-contained hook:
* the Chic-bassline-nicked-and-replayed-with-an-upright-bass-sample* the hip-house drum loop with the "hup" vocal sample* the arpeggiated organ line that, like, totally lifts the prechorus* the sequenced horn hits* the Larry Blackmon-esque "Ow!" sample
and that's before you even get to Martha Wash's vocal, which is a ridiculously good performance.
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)
Another track that belongs in this category is Hurley's House Mix of Jomanda's "Got a Love For You," which is, I think, perfection.
"Everybody, Everybody" is great, but nothing brings me so totally back like the Original Remix of "Strike It Up." I mean, it's worth it for the rap alone.
I'd also like to add Daisy Dee's "Crazy" to the list, which holds up, despite the fact that it has VERY little going for it, at least vocally (she can't rap and she fucking mumbles the chorus and it STILL DOESN'T MATTER).
― Rich, Friday, 20 August 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)
Disc One1. Kraftwerk: “Trans Europe Express” (6:52)2. Donna Summer: “I Feel Love (12 Inch Extended Mix)” (8:13)3. Loose Joints: “Is It All Over My Face (Larry Levan Mix)” 4. The It: “Donnie (Ron Hardy Mix)” (8:09)5. Pierre’s Pfantasy Club: “Dream Girl (Ralph Rosario Mix)” 6. Rythim Is Rythim: “Strings of Life” (6:05)7. Photon Inc.: “Generate Power (Wild Pitch Mix)” (8:46)8. Ten City: “Devotion” (6:51)9. Lil Louis & the World: “French Kiss (The Original Underground Mix)” 10. M/A/R/R/S: “Pump Up the Volume” (4:06)11. A Guy Called Gerald: “Voodoo Ray” (4:24)12. Happy Mondays: “Step On” (5:17)
Trax put out an Acid comp that I have also been digging:
http://www.juno.co.uk/IP/IF149507-01.htm
― hector (hector), Friday, 20 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)
Seconded. Another one for the textbooks.
"Everybody, Everybody" is great, but nothing brings me so totally back like the Original Remix of "Strike It Up." I mean, it's worth it for the rap alone."
My favourite is the mix that was basically a rehash of "Everybody", with the rap rewritten / remade by a British MC called Stepz.
"I'd also like to add Daisy Dee's "Crazy" to the list, which holds up, despite the fact that it has VERY little going for it, at least vocally (she can't rap and she fucking mumbles the chorus and it STILL DOESN'T MATTER). "
For me, Daisy Dee always straddled the line between so-bad-she's-awesome and just plain bad. "Crazy" was fun, but her absolute worst effort had to be a note-for-note, word-for-word remake of "This Beat Is Technotronic".
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rich, Friday, 20 August 2004 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Rich, Friday, 20 August 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)
Some days I think there's nothing in my brain apart from useless music trivia.
― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 20 August 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)
this thread
― jaxon, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:10 (seventeen years ago)
"beat it" is an untouchable classic "erotic city" is an untouchable classic "last night a dj saved my life" is an untouchable classic "hypnotize" is an untouchable classic
-- vahid (vahid), Thursday, August 19, 2004 7:30 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link
so confused about vahid's idea of 'played out'
― deej, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:40 (seventeen years ago)
the clubs i was going to at the time were gay clubs with a strong electroclash element - in san diego, mind - and so the emphasis was on a downtown NY sort of thing, not as much a post-disco early house vibe.
you'd hear lots of shannon, madonna, new order, tracks from the perfect beats comp, but not so much explicitly r and b influenced music.
but right around when I wrote that it did get popular, so electro DNS started playing erotic city instead of let's go crazy or when doves cry.
google "negroclash"
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:09 (seventeen years ago)
stupid iPhone
DJs, not DNS
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:10 (seventeen years ago)
i had a much more pipecockian attitude toward music back then ... i was all about idjuts and house music and techno and i was excited about the upswing in interest in clubbing among the art school / fashion school crowd here (san diego is art rock central sometimes) but i was kinda bummed that it was always so fixated on the new wave aspect more than the "real dance music" thing. you would go out four nights a week and you would hear "push it" every night and sometimes it was distressingly "kill whitey" in terms of vibe.
the weird thing that happened was that a little while later DJs did start to play a little less new wave but they also started playing a lot more chart rap and suddenly it got very frat-boyish and bridge and tunnel and it sort of killed the vibe and the scene for a bit.
but then i stopped going out and moved away ... It might have gotten really good after that for all i kno
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:27 (seventeen years ago)
it's just funny how people were guessing whether or not chicago house would catch on w/hipsters
― jaxon, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:46 (seventeen years ago)
is early 90s rave coming back for anyone yet?
― jaxon, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:50 (seventeen years ago)
early 90s rave never went away for me but it definitely seems to be coming back for more people. later in the year i am going to be doing a mix cd early 90s R&S classics for the newly reactivated R&S. i cannot wait.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 20:58 (seventeen years ago)
around here its really hard to figure out cuz house music has been big for so long so i dont know if its representative that djs across the board (incl hipsters) play early 90s pop house (the big anthems - they're not really digging at all)
the thing is, its kind of the opposite of what tim said upthread ... hipsters arent really getting into the weird stuff first, if anything its more of a 90s retro thing so they'll go for huge top 40 hits and skip out on stuff outside that ... its almost used as pop filler in between hercules & love affair and holy ghost or whatever
― deej, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 23:19 (seventeen years ago)
Re: early 90s rave - I hear Outlander - "The Vamp" cropping up in all the most unexpected DJ sets.
Anybody hear this:
http://www.juno.co.uk/products/322770-01.htm
There's some stuff on there that should never appear on a compilation again (acid thunder, we are phuture, acid tracks) but on the other hand inclusion of Cultural Vibe is a big plus and am super curious as to how it all sounds as a mix.
― Jacobw, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 03:01 (seventeen years ago)
When I think of Chicago House revivalism I think of the DJ T album and Blake Baxter guesting on a bunch of records and stuff like Alexkid's "Don't Hide It". This was a real but shortlived phenomenon in the middle of the decade - by the time this full-blown revivalist sound arrived it almost immediately seemed kinda obvious and played out. It was quickly swamped by minimal.
As a reference point/touchstone/revivalist-inspiration I think first wave Chicago house is (if anything) at a low ebb now, at least compared to a few years ago (this is not a comment on the music which is frequently brilliant obv).
Hercules & Love Affair seem surreally tardy for this reason. Although I do like them very much, perhaps for this reason. They're like Chicago revivalism's afterlife.
The biggest commercial club hit in Australia this year is a (relatively) faithful remix of Robyn S's "Show Me Love".
BTW some bizarre wrongness about Eskimo III in this thread.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 08:42 (seventeen years ago)
They play that Show me Love remix in my muay thai class. I hate it.
― Jacobw, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 11:50 (seventeen years ago)
Eskimo 3 is the 2nd worst of the bunch
― moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 18:16 (seventeen years ago)