So is dizzee a hip hop MC or a garage MC?

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Does it matter? Should we be differentiating? There ARE different conventions and styles to both genres but is a good MC simply that, a good MC who should be equally adept in both hip hop and garage?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

OTmonopolyM

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 21:20 (twenty-one years ago)

he is a hip hop MC

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say hip hop. I reckon in hip hop the music follows the MC, and in garage (as in D'n'B, hardcore etc.) the MC follows the music. If that makes any kind of sense.

He's good, is the main thing.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

"wot do you call it"?

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 19 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

actually i guess it's useful to differentiate between artists. dizzee is more hip-hop than wiley.

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a slippery slope though. if dizzee's hip-hop how can you argue the streets aren't? especially after that "fit but you know it" remix. eh? eh?

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I say Mike Skinner is hip hop.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Mike Skinner is def poetry slam

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

was "Parklife" hip-hop?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

No, Parklife wasn't someone telling stories over a beat.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

yes it was!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

No it wasn't!

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

dude how is the song parklife NOT just like a track on a streets album? a little less rhyming, but otherwise it's INDENTICAL! Geezer talks in slang, guy who can't sing sings on the chorus!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but the stuff Phil Daniels says on that track makes no sense. 'Confidence is a preference of the habitual voyeur of what is know as...' What? That's not storytelling, that's wank.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

whew, successfully derailed things. run dizzee, run!

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 19 August 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"A lot of people have a hard time categorizing you. Some people might call it hip hop, some might call it garage, some might call it drum n bass…

"I don’t think people should try to categorize it because I’m still developing as an artist. I’m a decent way through my second one really and I’m improving lyrically. So what I do is just kind of a variation. It’s more about stretching the art form. I could make an off key beat on purpose, and challenge myself to spit on it and make it sound good. I put a lot of thought into it. I can rap, so that’s where the hip hop side comes to it, I’m definitely a rapper, I’m at a lot of rapper’s levels, I’ll say that with confidence. But the beats…because of the environment I grew up in, drum n bass—for people who don’t know what that is, it’s a lot of rave culture basically, hardcore house or whatever—that had an effect on me. Also I listened to a lot of hip hop when I was growing up and even rock.

― Keith McD, Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

so let's just call him a rapper

― Keith McD, Thursday, 19 August 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I say Mike Skinner is hip hop.

he's new urban beatnikisticsm.

― jonsin (cs appleby), Thursday, 19 August 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't matter. They are the saviours of pop. I'm much more interested in where they're going than where they came from.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 August 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

In most record stores where I've seen Dizzee's CD, it's been filed under Hip Hop, not under Dance or Electronic. Not that it settles anything, but I think most people would probably look in that section first.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the streets doesnt rap on beat at all. he just speaks over the track, making no attempt at all to even do that rhythmically. he is not an MC at all.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

So what?

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

so what? so he isnt a hip hop MC. or any sort of MC.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:24 (twenty-one years ago)

So what?

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

was a great miles davis record. and a boring reply the first time you typed it.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 19 August 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I was asking why it mattered whether or not he was an MC.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Mark E. Smith an MC?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No he's an ME.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

You can say a lot of things about Skinner's style, but to say that he makes "no attempt at all to even [speak over the track] rhythmically" is entirely off-base. He certainly doesn't adhere to meter well or anything, but what he does is DEFINITELY rhythmic in nature.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Saul Williams, now THERE is a man who is NOT an MC.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(I like Saul Williams too though OH NO!)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

What would you call Saul Williams? A beat poet?

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

TOTALLY.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, maybe not "beat" per se (as that is more attuned to a style particular to a certain era), but he is all poet.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

He's certainly too fly not to fly.

― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post, i never said it mattered per se, but since this post is about whether or not dizzee is a garage or hip hop MC, i thought it was was still along the same lines and therefore relevant.

maybe saying he doesnt speak rhythmically over the track was a bit of an exageration, but his sense of meter is pretty clumsy, or rough at least.

saul williams isnt an MC no, but i wouldnt call him a beat poet. a (spoken word?) poet definitely though, yes.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Thursday, 19 August 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

i think its fair to say that dizzee rhymes best over garage beats.

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

keith mcd, where is that interview above from?

― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't remember. There's a link to it on the Showtime thread I think

― Keith McD, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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