Tiefschwarz POX

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Please. Thank you.

manuel (manuel), Sunday, 22 August 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

opo would be better as they certainly don't have ten tracks worth picking.

stirmonster, Sunday, 22 August 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Lost 'n Alive - Feels Like Love (Tiefschwarz Remix)

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 22 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://skykicking.tripod.com/2004_08_01_skykicking_archive.html#109210316729401584

etc, Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

POV:

Chicks On Speed - We Don't Play Guitars
Spektrum - Kinda New
The Rapture - Sister Saviour
The Truby Trio one
The Chelonis R Jones one

R.I.M.A. (Barima), Sunday, 22 August 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

One thing I wanted to say in the blog post but forgot to was that it's arguable that electro-house is now at the point that phased disco/French House was in '99 - three years on from its commercial/conceptual coalescence ("Silver Screen (Shower Scene)" as "Da Funk"), and now at the point where the formal rules for what constitutes this music begins to break down and all sorts of weird stuff is possible.

In this regard Tiefschwarz are kinda analogous to Basement Jaxx circa 98/99 (although not as revelatory, it must be said). Something like "Red Alert" was still in that post-phased disco/french house mode but you can feel it chafing within those shackles, wanting to bust out into something else - and by Remedy-proper you can really see that transformation taking place. I get that same sense with Tiefschwarz remixes: still obviously in the electro-house mode, but the emphasis on maximalism, the profusion of odd, conflicting ideas and an element of surprise, all the hints of *other* non-electro ideas and sounds being incorporated into the basic groove structure. I don't know if it's going to be Tiefschwarz or someone else who actually busts it open, but I hear a lot of potential in this stuff.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

it's surely only a matter of time before some French wag makes an instrumental "edit" of "Pump Up The Jam"

hee! i did this about three years ago (although i keep a tiny bit of the vox). it'll be available on an under the counter 12" sometime before the end of the year.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
5 thoughts inspired by listening to the Eleven Remixes cd from Misch Masch:

1. Tiefschwarz are fucking great

2. It's like Black Strobe X Le Dust Sucker innit.

3. For all the electro-style-cues their stuff plugs into, it's actually some of the least explicitly thematic or moody of the new dark electro. Black Strobe material almost always broods or glowers in a very obviously goth manner. Tiefschwarz are just too in love with the formal qualities of the sonics they use to really care about what the music conveys as such. Like, at the end of that Lost'n'Alive mix, you can just tell they're thinking "Wow, aren't hi-hats the best thing ever". Or the goofy bassline in the Mocky mix.

4. They should have included more vocal mixes over dubs I think. Their stuff is sufficiently dark and tracky that it sparks off vocals and choruses really delightfully. The opposite is the case with the San Fran electro-house on the Uno Records Mix, where the material is close enough to traditional house that the dubs, by inserting a massive load of groove-science between the song and the listener, make things enormously more interesting. There's nothing weak about the dubs used on Misch Masch, but I miss Tiefschwarz' displays of flair for framing a vocal.

5. Tiefschwarz are fucking great.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

6. How great is the last track on the mix disc?!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim -

Wherecan I find info about Tiefshwarz? (i guess i'm just assuming they're deutchers by their name)

i got mickey mouse motherfuckers remix the other day and the bassline just kills it for me.

the kinda new remix is s-s-s-sick too, in a way that neither hawtin nor villalobos could hit nearly as well.

youngn, Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's a bio:
http://www.discogs.com/artist/Tiefschwarz

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one of the dudes who left our night, as a DJ, is incessantly moaning on a thread about what guest we should get next about how Tiefschwarz are dull and average and all this stuff.

it's SO annoying, particularly since at every opportunity he's shown he's only heard about 2 tracks

the same dude called Headman an "Erol Alkan protegé"

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

At the risk of sounding like the dude in Ronan's anecdote, I can't get into them. I think I am missing a key track perhaps. I am a bit tired of Black Strobe at the moment, too, except for "Abwehr Disco".

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I admit it - I am extremely fickle!

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, the Spektrum one is the obvious u&k track. If you're bored with that then you may be well and truly over them. However, have you heard:
Rainer Trüby Trio - "Universal Love (Tiefschwarz Unreleased Dub)"
from Misch Masch?

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I know Ghost Track, but I haven't heard that (or Misch Masch).

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Black Strobe are biding their time I think, at the moment. Smagghe is unbookable at the moment midweek cos they're working on their record.

the phonique remix, and the spektrum ones, are where I'd start, I guess. or where I did. it did take ages for me to realise how good the Spektrum one was though, until I heard it in a club I couldn't really get what was so good about it.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The answer, as always, is that I need to go to more clubs.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

you could pretend your couch was a club

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I would, but it's a nice faux-leather three seater an I'm a bit fussy about it.

adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, I just imagined going to Adam's house, walking over to the couch and then Adam saying "Your name's not down you're not sitting down"!

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

their track "you" is built around a vocal disco sample that goes "you are / you are / you are / you are / my ONLY ONE"

does anybody know what this is sampled from??

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 25 November 2004 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The Tiefschwarz mix of Digital World has just convinced me to go and buy Misch Masch this lunchtime.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 25 November 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

You will not be disappointed. I bought it at the weekend, and am loving it to bits.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the remix disc is so good, hearing them all together is a real wow experience

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

That Unit 4 mix is incredible. If this remix disc were an actual artist album it'd be my album of the year no question.

This has been a fantastic year, hasn't it? I think I'm getting as much, if not more, out of dance music at the moment than ever. Just so many "wow" moments.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

the Kelis "Trick Me" remix is good too!

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Where I have I heard Mickey Mouse Motherfuckers before? Its insanely familiar but allegedly unreleased.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 25 November 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It has been a great year, aye. It's strange though, only hearing all these tracks at home, having not been to a proper club all year, and still thinking we're in a bit of purple patch for dance music. I really should get out more.

RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

it's on my mix, Matt.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, of course. I was about to ask if it was on Suck My Deck or something.

(Psst, RickyT Ivan Smagghe-Villalobos-Hawtin at Fabric this Saturday if you fancy it. We'll talk about it tonight).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

or where I did. it did take ages for me to realise how good the Spektrum one was though, until I heard it in a club I couldn't really get what was so good about it.

Its all in that triplet of crashing synthetic cymbal noises.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 25 November 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so glad they included the "Listen to the hiss" remix on there cos that's the one that really made them click for me. That bit halfway through where it suddenly goes all R&S circa 1992 just totally kills it. So sweaty and rave-y.

Jacob (Jacob), Thursday, 25 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Where I have I heard Mickey Mouse Motherfuckers before? Its insanely familiar but allegedly unreleased.

Another Tiefschwarz mix was released. I prefer the new one.

JoB (JoB), Thursday, 25 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah the "Listen to the Hiss" mix is great too. But where is their Minimal Compact remix??

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 25 November 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
their remix of Air Liquid's 'So Much Love'

you know how some train journeys are better than others...this one trawls through orderly futurist clinical industrial acres - arrays of arcs and spheres, funnels and pipes, rails cranking under the weight, carriages juddering and bumping at random. i'm not sure anyone else has ever packed so much in this way (Jaxx do a different thing obv.) but the sonic detail is quite incredible at times.

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure anyone else has ever packed so much in this way (Jaxx do a different thing obv.) but the sonic detail is quite incredible at times.

I'm sure there are others who have :-).

The Chicks remix is still ranking no. 1. I'd like someone to send me the Kelis mix, tho'.

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sure there are others who have

who?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i made the Jaxx comparison before reading Tim's post upthread. a few years back BJ seemed to populate bars with more events than anyone else and they stood so far out as a result. this is a different thing but i notice more in Tiefschawrz productions than any of their current contemporaries - this isn't just a subtlety issue either i think (tho i concede that i under-appreciated that with Luomo et al)

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

not that i'm lumping Luomo or Tiefschawrz together before anyone calls that out

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Plu - *gets shot by Steve*

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

i should've specified i was talking about yer conventional dance music only here (otherwise Squarepusher duh)

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I know, I was teasing (I'll send you PSB'S 'Star' tho' b/c uncoventionally speaking, the Japanese rule here).

OK, maximalist dancers asides from T'warz and Jaxx? Orbital back in the day, the Prodge, maybe and the Chems. The choruses of the 'Heartbeats' Rexmix is pretty high in this regard. Richard X too. Hopefully, the minimalist trend will be on the way out for the time being this year.

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits, back from the dead (Barima), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

i'd agree with Rex and X and the Chems but not to quite the same degree. Howlett, whilst making quite intricate beats (when not stealing them from Meat Beat and Incredible Bongo Band etc.) was too focussed on hooks and little melodic breaks rather than just waves and sequences of noise which seemed crucial to what BJ and now Tiefscharz construct (the beauty of Jaxx productions being they would do this yet keep it pop, the beauty of Tief being they do this but keep it cooly underground and still seems quite stark much of the time).

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Annie Mac played new single Issst last week on the Essential Selection. You have to keep the BBC Player playing for almost two hours to hear it, though... (I made sure to record it.) Sounded sort of similar to Ghostrack, although it is very hard to gauge the proper impact from a low kpbs audio stream...

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

can you not skip forward on the online player anymore?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe you can, I haven't been able to figure that out on OSX.

JoB (JoB), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no probs there.

Steve, don't forget the Avalanches and earlier Cut Copy.

Captain GRRRios' Giggletits (Barima), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
Tiefschwarz are coming to my town this Friday. Has anyone seen them in a club? I'm in two minds about whether I should as I have a low tolerance for their more vocal/pop side but I'm thinking they might play more minimal. Would I be a fool to miss 'em?

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Well, not minimal, but less maximal, if you know what I mean.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 3 October 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

I'm underwhelmed by their vocal/pop side too but they were truly excellent in amsterdam last july, I'd say go.

http://3voor12.vpro.nl/3voor12/groups/index.jsp?groups=16134994

stevo (stevo), Monday, 3 October 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

thanx for the mix, stevo. Listening now...

Good Dog (Good Dog), Monday, 3 October 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Any other tiefschwarz-live stories? they're at smartbar this week in chicago...

deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 11 December 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

onemoretry

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 07:12 (twenty years ago)


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