there's stuff like Bon Jovi's "Runaway" and Soul Asylum's "Just Like Anyone" where the guy tells a third person story about a woman's struggles
and there's stuff like the Beastie Boys' "Song For The Man," where the guy rails against crimes against women (though this example kinda really sucks cuz despite previous adventures with wiffle ball bats and brass monkey, they claim they have no idea why this shit goes down)
and then there's a heavy-duty stuff like Fugazi's "Suggestion" and Chris Knox's "Not A Victim," where the singer tackles sexual violence head on in the first person, taking on the role of the female (Fugazi's is vague cuz Fugazi is vague, but Knox's is mercilessly literal).
Any more examples? Favorites? Reactions?
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dallred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Sometimes he is. There's songs where he's quite clearly singing from the POV of a woman ("The Night You Can't Remember", fer instance) Sure, you can read gay subtext into almost all of those, but I think that Merrit truly likes to approach his songs from various diferent sexual viewpoints, which is why he gets boys to sing about girls and boys to sing about boys and girls to sing about boys and girls to sing about girls.
xpost with Aaron
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)
She cries alone at night too often He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed
Man makes your hair gray He's your life's mistake All you're really lookin' for is an even break He lies right at you You know you hate this game He slaps you once in a while And you live and love in pain
She cries alone at night too often He smokes and drinks And don't come home at all Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed
---- musical interlude ----
Man's got his woman to take his seed He's got the power, oh, oh She's got the need She spends her life through pleasing up her man She feeds him dinner or anything she can
Black eyes all of the time Don't spend a dime Clean up this grime And you there down on your knees Begging me please Come watch me bleed
Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed Only women bleed
― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)
which also brings "Jane Says" in the mix
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)
"Sheila Take A Bow"? "What She Said"?
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)
(x-post)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Merritt said in an interview that the song's narrator is a guy singing to a girl named "Mike" after Nancy Sinatra's character in The Wild Angels. It's supposed to be a hetero song, but I suspect the confusion caused by her name being "Mike" was entirely intentional.
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dall, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― dallred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― dalled, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, Scott Walker's "The Amorous Humphrey Plugg"
― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)
― sexyDancer, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― A pair of brown eyes, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dallparts, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)
― jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)
― dallred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)
The 28th dayShe'll be bleeding againAnd in lupine waysWe'll alleviate the pain
Unholy waterSanguine addictionThose silver bulletsA last blood benediction
It is her moon timeWhen there's iron in the airA rusted essenceWoman may I know you're there
Hey wolf moonCome cast your spell on meHey wolf moonCome cast your spell on me
Don't spill a drop dearLet me kiss the curse awayYourself in my mouthWill you leave me with your taste?
BewareThe woods at nightBewareThe Lunar light
So in this gray hazeWe'll be meating againAnd on that great dayI will tease you all the same
― manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)
― Durstballon, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)
- Jonathan Richman - "Don't Let Our Youth Go To Waste"
― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)
Also "She Is Suffering" which is a hundred times worse.
― ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)
John Prine's "Angel From Montgomery" opens with "I am an old woman."
― Huck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)
My shakin', my sleep, my stressMy days, my night, my restMy do's, my don'ts, my daresAnd my church, my pastor, my prayersMy all, my faith, my powersAnd my kitchen, my sink, my towelsMy joy, my sad, my hateAnd my sister, my cousin, my friendsMy lights, my gas, my billsMy role, my way, my willMy hollerin', my fussin', my fights
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)
"say hooray to the bad guy, and all the broadsputtin' cars in they name for the stars of the gamePuttin' 'caine in their bras and their tomorrows on the trainall in the name of loveJust to see that love locked in chains and the family cameover the house to take back,everything that they claimedOr even the worst pain is the distresslearning you're the mistress only after that love gets slainand the anger and the sorrow mixed up leads to mistrustnow it gets tough to ever love againbut the allure of the game, keeps callin' your nameTo all the Lauras of the world, I feel your painTo all the Christies in every cities and Tiffany LanesWe all hustlers, in love with the same thing"
lots of hiphop songs about mothers in pain (as a result of poverty -ghostface's "all that i've got is you", reckless sons - parts of jay-z's "shoot 1st", "december 4th", biggie's "things done changed", absent fathers - too many to name).
― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― phil d., Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)
She's faced the hardest times you could imagine,And many times her eyes fought back the tears.And when her youthful world was about to fall inEach time her slender shoulders bore the weight of all her fears,and her sorrow no one hears, still rings in midnight silence, in her ears...
Let her cry, for she's a LadyLet her dream, for she's a ChildLet the rain fall down upon herShe's a free and gentle flower, growing wild.
And if by chance, I should hold her,Let me hold her for a time;But if allowed just one posession,I would pick her from the garden, to be mine.
Be careful how you touch her, for she will waken;and sleep's the only freedom that she knows.And when you walk into her eyes, you won't believe;The way she's always payin' for a debt she never owed,and the silent wind still blows, that only she can hear,And so, she goes.
― mike a, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― mike a, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)
― briania (briania), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― mike bott, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― southern lights (southern lights), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)
Best line: What would I see/if I could walk away from me?
― Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)
no one likes looking at youyour lack of ego offends male mentalitythey need your innocenceto steal vacant love and to destroyyour beauty and virginity used like toys
my mind is dead, everybody loves mewants a slice of mehopelessly passive and compatibleneed to belong, oh the roads are scaryso hold me in your armsi wanna be your only possession
USED! USED! USED BY MEN!
all they leave behind is moneypaper made out of broken twisted treesyour pretty face offendsbecause it's something real that i can't toucheyes, skin, bone, contourlanguage as a flower
no god reached me, faded films and loving booksblack and white tvall the world does not exist for meand if i'm starving, you can feed me lollipopsyour diet will crush memy life just an old man's memory
little baby nothingloveless slavery, lips kissing emptydress your life in loathingbreaking your mind with barbie doll futility
little baby nothingsexually free, made-up to break-upassassinated beautymoths broken up, quenched at lastthe vermin allowed a thought to pass them by
you are pure, you are snowwe are the useless sluts that they moldrock and roll is our epiphanyculture, alienation, boredom and despair
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dr Benway (dr benway), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)
― mike a, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)
"That's alright, you just walk on baby...And don't you worry about a doggone thing at all, because there's some man somewherewho'll take you, skinny legs and all."
― briania (briania), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― OleM (OleM), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)
"Put Another Log on the Fire" by Tompall Glaser (also versions by Waylon, Willie, etc)
― Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)
― anx, Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― Don Allred, Thursday, 26 August 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)
A lot of people do think she sounds like a man.
then there's always "Jane Says"
― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)
I don't think any of Dylan's songs show any sympathy or identification with a woman's pain, except maybe "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll". Songs like "Just Like A Woman" are about Dylan's contempt for the weakness of women, imho.
― Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)
that's what I thought, too.
― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)
Ramona, come closer,Shut softly your watery eyes.The pangs of your sadnessShall pass as your senses will rise.The flowers of the cityThough breathlike, get deathlike at times.And there's no use in tryin'T' deal with the dyin',Though I cannot explain that in lines.
Your cracked country lips,I still wish to kiss,As to be under the strength of your skin.Your magnetic movementsStill capture the minutes I'm in.But it grieves my heart, love,To see you tryin' to be a part ofA world that just don't exist.It's all just a dream, babe,A vacuum, a scheme, babe,That sucks you into feelin' like this.
I can see that your headHas been twisted and fedBy worthless foam from the mouth.I can tell you are tornBetween stayin' and returnin'On back to the South.You've been fooled into thinkingThat the finishin' end is at hand.Yet there's no one to beat you,No one t' defeat you,'Cept the thoughts of yourself feeling bad.
I've heard you say many timesThat you're better 'n no oneAnd no one is better 'n you.If you really believe that,You know you gotNothing to win and nothing to lose.From fixtures and forces and friends,Your sorrow does stem,That hype you and type you,Making you feelThat you must be exactly like them.
I'd forever talk to you,But soon my words,They would turn into a meaningless ring.For deep in my heartI know there is no help I can bring.Everything passes,Everything changes,Just do what you think you should do.And someday maybe,Who knows, baby,I'll come and be cryin' to you.
― Sean Howe (seanmhowe), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)
― jcartledge (jcartledge), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)
― corey c (shock of daylight), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)
― daavid (daavid), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)
Strange as it seems/You know you can't treat a woman mean. Yes, that's strange alright.
― mike a, Monday, 5 December 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)
― moley, Monday, 5 December 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― jcartledge (jcartledge), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)