Songs where male singers sympathize (or identify) with a woman's pain

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there's stuff like Bon Jovi's "Runaway" and Soul Asylum's "Just Like Anyone" where the guy tells a third person story about a woman's struggles

and there's stuff like the Beastie Boys' "Song For The Man," where the guy rails against crimes against women (though this example kinda really sucks cuz despite previous adventures with wiffle ball bats and brass monkey, they claim they have no idea why this shit goes down)

and then there's a heavy-duty stuff like Fugazi's "Suggestion" and Chris Knox's "Not A Victim," where the singer tackles sexual violence head on in the first person, taking on the role of the female (Fugazi's is vague cuz Fugazi is vague, but Knox's is mercilessly literal).

Any more examples? Favorites? Reactions?

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Most Pearl Jam songs.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Bryan Ferry's "It's My Party". Sorry.

Diego Valladolid (dvalladt), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah! third person ("Betterman") AND first person ("Elderly Woman Behind The Counter...").

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Rape Me"

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Coincidentally (well kinda, cuz hearing "Not A Victim" inspired the thread), another of Knox's, "Young Female Caucasian" just came on my stereo. It's him bawling a teenage girl's suicide note over a funereal omnichord chord progression.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

At least a half-dozen or so of 69 Love Songs...and those are just the ones Merritt is singing. Although "sympathize" is an awfully strong word to apply to Merritt in pretty much any instance...

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"and i will bleed in sympathy with you..."

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

um, when Merritt sings about boys I don't think he's singing from the female perspective.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"Polly" by Nirvana. Even though its sung from the point of view of the rapist it's pretty clearly sympathetic.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post
There are some where he actually is Anthony, e.g. "The Night You Can't Remember"

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Only Women Bleed (Alice)
Just Like A Woman (Bob)
Grandma's Hands (Bill Withers)
There She Goes Again (VU)
Louise (Paul Siebel)
Big Louise (Scott Walker, recently covered by Amy Farris)
Duchess (Scott Walker, covered by Neko Case)

Dallred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

um, when Merritt sings about boys I don't think he's singing from the female perspective.

Sometimes he is. There's songs where he's quite clearly singing from the POV of a woman ("The Night You Can't Remember", fer instance) Sure, you can read gay subtext into almost all of those, but I think that Merrit truly likes to approach his songs from various diferent sexual viewpoints, which is why he gets boys to sing about girls and boys to sing about boys and girls to sing about boys and girls to sing about girls.

xpost with Aaron

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I call foul, Don. "There She Goes Again" sympathizes with the cuckolded dude and recommends physical abuse.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Man's got his woman to take his seed
He's got the power, oh, oh
She's got the need
She spends her life through pleasing up her man
She feeds him dinner or anything she can

She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

Man makes your hair gray
He's your life's mistake
All you're really lookin' for is an even break
He lies right at you
You know you hate this game
He slaps you once in a while
And you live and love in pain

She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks
And don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

---- musical interlude ----

Man's got his woman to take his seed
He's got the power, oh, oh
She's got the need
She spends her life through pleasing up her man
She feeds him dinner or anything she can

She cries alone at night too often
He smokes and drinks and don't come home at all
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

Black eyes all of the time
Don't spend a dime
Clean up this grime
And you there down on your knees
Begging me please
Come watch me bleed

Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed
Only women bleed

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're gonna go for VU I'd vote for "Lisa Says"

which also brings "Jane Says" in the mix

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

and "Rock'n'Roll"

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

are there any in country music where the guy singer actually goes first person? I know Garth does third person in "The Thunder Rolls" (I'm sure plenty of others have done that too) but has anybody taken the extra step?

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"Walk On The Wildside" and "Candy Says" don't count, re: Reed.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, "The Night You Can't Remember" is the one that popped into mind immediately...maybe there aren't a half-dozen. Lessee..."Papa Was A Rodeo," maybe. I've never been able to quite figure out the genders in that one. I like to think that "When My Boy Walks Down The Street" is from a girl's perspective, just because it would make it even bendier, but I seem to recall him saying something in the interview booklet about gay marriage in relation to it...anyway, I'd bet there's a couple others, albeit perhaps not on 69LS. Merritt is large. He contains multitudes.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I gotcha, but I'm really talking about guys who are feeling the pain, not gender-bending pop formalists.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

from the patronising side of things: manic street preachers "little baby nothing"

purple patch (electricsound), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to be on a New Zealand music kick lately. Try Chris Knox the woman inside of me and countless other songs, including one in which imagines himself to be a rape victim.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to be on a New Zealand music kick lately. Try Chris Knox "The Woman Inside of Me" and countless other songs, including one in which imagines himself to be a rape victim.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Night You Can't Remember" is totally about a woman's pain (most of the other female-perspective songs on there are also about pain, but less gender-specific I guess)

"Sheila Take A Bow"? "What She Said"?

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that's "Not A Victim," see opening post.

(x-post)

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah - you're right. Forgot the song title. And I'd agree: It's a bit suspect. Been a while since I heard it though but remember it is a bit relentless, if I recall correctly. Knox seems to do this often, to a point which is almost offensive. Does it go the other way so much?

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Tears for Fears, "Woman in Chains"

Joseph McCombs, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't mean to find it suspect, I think "Not A Victim" is pretty impressive in its detail and daring. It's not really my place to say whether its offensive or not, but I think most musical artists would do a poorer job if they tried that kind of thing.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

as for women doing songs about man's pain, the first thing that came to mind was Lurleen Lumpkin's "Your Wife Don't Understand You (But I Do)".

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a bit ambivalent about it myself, but I lean more towards emphasizing the problematic aspects of gender tourism Knox often indulges in. He's not essentializing feminity or womanhood, but there is something else going on that seems problematic to me, along the lines of the liberal open-minded male kind of thing. I'd have to listen to the song again to really comment, though.

Guymauve (Guymauve), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought he was telling off "*you* my friend!" in "There She Goes Again"! Sorry, I'm too cool to look up the words (or listen closely). Perhaps "Despite all the amputations" also covers "Sweet Jane" herself? And then there's the "fat blonde actress" being approached by the ah fan in "Oh Sweet Nothin."

Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"Papa Was A Rodeo," maybe. I've never been able to quite figure out the genders in that one.

Merritt said in an interview that the song's narrator is a guy singing to a girl named "Mike" after Nancy Sinatra's character in The Wild Angels. It's supposed to be a hetero song, but I suspect the confusion caused by her name being "Mike" was entirely intentional.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Then you have Squeeze's "She doesn't have to shave" which goes on about how pms and mentrual cramps must be so much worse than the average man's lot.

Kim (Kim), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Iron Maiden, "Charlotte the Harlot"

dave q, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Squeeze are dweebs. Another thing that might cause confusion about "Rodeo" is that Kelly Hogan, a girl, sang it with Mike Ireland, a guy. Great cover. I really don't care about that Merritt-Squeeze-Coldplay-Tennant-Keane ad infinitum ethereal-boy vocal. It's not the gay thing, it's an I'm-so-sensitive thing that ruins sensitive songs. But also a question of doing that *right*: Lou or Doug Yule or whover it was in those LOADED songs did it perfectly (also did it well on some other VU)

Dall, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Whatever else one might say about Stephin Merritt, his vocals are generally about as ethereal as one of them Budweiser frogs.

Jesse Fuchs (Jesse Fuchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

You can be totally impassive and still be ethereal. Consider ballons. But Merritt is supposed to be so impassive he's cosmic. Poignant. So heavy he's ethereal man. Good songs tho.

dallred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

tall dwarfs - woman

The Lady Ms Lurex (lucylurex), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 01:57 (twenty-one years ago)

"Ballons"? Never mind the Ballons sorry. As rock critic slash vocalists go (we won't insist on "singers") Merritt, compared to Bangs, Laughner, Kogan, Meltzer, Metal Mike, George Smith, uhhhh-WendyCase of the Paybacks wins!(since Patti Smith retired from CREEM a long time ago). No dis on Stephen; I generally like female singers better, cos they deal with the noise around them better, generally speaking. Also not that many have gotten to make nine gillion albums like Jagger Tyler Dylan Van etc etc so not as much chance of over-familar approach.

dalled, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

How about when the dude from Wheatus sings in like double-falsetto as the girl who admits that she is a teenage dirtbag too?

Also, Scott Walker's "The Amorous Humphrey Plugg"

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

What's that Fugazi song all the hardline Riot Grrrls harped on?

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Janies got a gun - Aerosmith
It's a mans mans mans world world - James Brown

A pair of brown eyes, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"Long Black Veil," The Band. Even though he's the dead one, he feels for her, having to walk these hills and visit his grave. (Of course, it's his fault she feels bad, cos he wouldn't be dead if he could have given his [true] alibi, which was that he was screwing her, "my best friend's wife.")

Dallparts, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Toad the Wet Sprocket have more than a few: Hold Her Down, She Cried, One Little Girl.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

The Police: Roxanne

jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hold Her Down" sounds like it should be a G.G. Allin song title.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Beatles: "She's Leaving Home," "Eleanor Rigby," "Lady Madonna," (mcCarntney, yuck!) Lennon solo:"Woman is the Nigger of the World"(they don't all have to be *good* songs do they?)Stones:"Mother's Little Helper," "Miss Amanda Jones" "Under My Thumb"( a really sad-sung song, always)"Sweet Black Angel"(sexistly sentimental: Angela Davis really *was* "a red-lovin school-marm," but that shouldn't have been grounds for conviction;"When will she be free," right on. Funny the Stones were always rightly cited as cock-rockers, but more convincingly sympathetic when they *were* sympathetic, and had a big female following, incl. feminist rock crotics like Ellen Willis:"Powerful music makes me feel powerful, for one thing," but she knew their limits, and Lou's too.

dallred, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

the raspberries, "go all the way"

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

well G.G. Allin once rubbed his shit in my mom's hair and then smacked her in the face with the microphone.

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Janie's Cryin'"! That song somehow sounds lecherous while actually being incredibly sympathetic.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

For David Lee Roth, at least

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

R.E.M., "Tongue"

Neil Willett (Neil Willett), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Belle and Sebastian- The Chalet Lines

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Type O Negative's "Wolf Moon"...how much more literal can you get?


The 28th day
She'll be bleeding again
And in lupine ways
We'll alleviate the pain

Unholy water
Sanguine addiction
Those silver bullets
A last blood benediction

It is her moon time
When there's iron in the air
A rusted essence
Woman may I know you're there

Hey wolf moon
Come cast your spell on me
Hey wolf moon
Come cast your spell on me

Don't spill a drop dear
Let me kiss the curse away
Yourself in my mouth
Will you leave me with your taste?

Beware
The woods at night
Beware
The Lunar light

So in this gray haze
We'll be meating again
And on that great day
I will tease you all the same

manuel (manuel), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Lola...

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

"Madame George," if "Lola"
"Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands"

Durstballon, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"And I will bleed in sympathy with you on those days."

- Jonathan Richman - "Don't Let Our Youth Go To Waste"

frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

from the patronising side of things: manic street preachers "little baby nothing"

Also "She Is Suffering" which is a hundred times worse.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

are there any in country music where the guy singer actually goes first person? I know Garth does third person in "The Thunder Rolls" (I'm sure plenty
of others have done that too) but has anybody taken the extra step?

John Prine's "Angel From Montgomery" opens with "I am an old woman."

Huck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw a few Lou Reed songs, but I didn't see "Caroline Says" or "Kids", which, to me, are two of the most haunting songs about a woman's pain.

dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If you don't stop
(This is a warning)
Someone's gonna lay in your bed
(This is a warning)
And someone's gonna eat your food
(This is a warning)
And someone's gonna wear your clothes
(This is a warning)
And someone's gonna fit your shoes
(This is a warning)
And someone's gonna get your keys
(This is a warning)
And someone's gonna open your doors
(This is a warning)
Someone's gonna get your check
(This is a warning)
This is a woman's threat
Baby, this is a woman's threat

My shakin', my sleep, my stress
My days, my night, my rest
My do's, my don'ts, my dares
And my church, my pastor, my prayers
My all, my faith, my powers
And my kitchen, my sink, my towels
My joy, my sad, my hate
And my sister, my cousin, my friends
My lights, my gas, my bills
My role, my way, my will
My hollerin', my fussin', my fights

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

catherine wheel feat. tanya donnelly - "judy's staring at the sun"
granted, tanya's a big part of this song, but so is the wheel dude, and he participates when they sing "she's suffering"

Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

almost certainly misogynistic and wrongheaded, but dizzee's "jezebel" makes some attempt at this. also, see jay-z in allure:

"say hooray to the bad guy, and all the broads
puttin' cars in they name for the stars of the game
Puttin' 'caine in their bras and their tomorrows on the train
all in the name of love
Just to see that love locked in chains and the family came
over the house to take back,everything that they claimed
Or even the worst pain is the distress
learning you're the mistress only after that love gets slain
and the anger and the sorrow mixed up leads to mistrust
now it gets tough to ever love again
but the allure of the game, keeps callin' your name
To all the Lauras of the world, I feel your pain
To all the Christies in every cities and Tiffany Lanes
We all hustlers, in love with the same thing"

lots of hiphop songs about mothers in pain (as a result of poverty -ghostface's "all that i've got is you", reckless sons - parts of jay-z's "shoot 1st", "december 4th", biggie's "things done changed", absent fathers - too many to name).

m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Dinosaur Jr -- Mascis feels the pain of everyone!

phil d., Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

"Brenda's Got a Baby" by 2Pac

Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"Poor Little Girl," an X song, John really feeling sorry, but stil caught up in it like she is; becomes even more of a whirlpool when coverd by Amy Farris (see "Big Louise," above, another girl-from-POV-of guy song revved up by Amy)

Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Wildflower" by Skylark:

She's faced the hardest times you could imagine,
And many times her eyes fought back the tears.
And when her youthful world was about to fall in
Each time her slender shoulders bore the weight of all her fears,
and her sorrow no one hears, still rings in midnight silence,
in her ears...

Let her cry, for she's a Lady
Let her dream, for she's a Child
Let the rain fall down upon her
She's a free and gentle flower, growing wild.

And if by chance, I should hold her,
Let me hold her for a time;
But if allowed just one posession,
I would pick her from the garden, to be mine.

Be careful how you touch her, for she will waken;
and sleep's the only freedom that she knows.
And when you walk into her eyes, you won't believe;
The way she's always payin' for a debt she never owed,
and the silent wind still blows, that only she can hear,
And so, she goes.

Let her cry, for she's a Lady
Let her dream, for she's a Child
Let the rain fall down upon her
She's a free and gentle flower, growing wild.

mike a, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

(no, I don't endorse this song, but I have to admit it came to mind)

mike a, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

OWNZ: Clarence "Frogman" Henry, who empathizes not only with a girl, but also with a lonely frog!

briania (briania), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"4 women" by talib kweli...

mike bott, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"You Can't Be Too Strong" - Graham Parker

southern lights (southern lights), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Other Woman" - Nina Simone

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone said Jonathan Richman which reminded me of "Hospital"

Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

did someone already say "Candy Says"?

Best line: What would I see/if I could walk away from me?

Thea (Thea), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Kiss "Black Diamond"
Van Halen "Jamie's Cryin'"

dave q, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

it's been mentioned already, but the whole thing has to be read to be believed:

no one likes looking at you
your lack of ego offends male mentality
they need your innocence
to steal vacant love and to destroy
your beauty and virginity used like toys

my mind is dead, everybody loves me
wants a slice of me
hopelessly passive and compatible
need to belong, oh the roads are scary
so hold me in your arms
i wanna be your only possession

USED! USED! USED BY MEN!

all they leave behind is money
paper made out of broken twisted trees
your pretty face offends
because it's something real that i can't touch
eyes, skin, bone, contour
language as a flower

no god reached me, faded films and loving books
black and white tv
all the world does not exist for me
and if i'm starving, you can feed me lollipops
your diet will crush me
my life just an old man's memory

little baby nothing
loveless slavery, lips kissing empty
dress your life in loathing
breaking your mind with barbie doll futility

little baby nothing
sexually free, made-up to break-up
assassinated beauty
moths broken up, quenched at last
the vermin allowed a thought to pass them by

you are pure, you are snow
we are the useless sluts that they mold
rock and roll is our epiphany
culture, alienation, boredom and despair

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

R. Kelly's A Woman's Threat?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick Lowe's cover of "Born a Woman" manages to make a woman's pain sound like a rockin'good time...

Dr Benway (dr benway), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The Boo Radleys - This Is Not About Me

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

De La Soul, "Millie Pulled A Pistol on Santa"
Public Enemy, "Revolutionary Generation"

mike a, Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Joe Tex feels it:

"That's alright, you just walk on baby...
And don't you worry about a doggone thing at all,
because there's some man somewhere
who'll take you, skinny legs and all."

briania (briania), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of the Manics, surely "4st 7lb" must count.

OleM (OleM), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Why must it?

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

My family's favorite singalong tune:

"Put Another Log on the Fire" by Tompall Glaser (also versions by Waylon, Willie, etc)

Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

rage against the machine - maria

anx, Thursday, 26 August 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"Lonely Woman," "Street Woman," also covered recently by the Bad Plus (sounds happy out on the street)
"Lush Life," Billy Strayhorn (and Duke Ellington)
"To Ramona," Dylan again ("Ramoma, come closer, shut your watery eyes. The pangs of your sadness will pass, as your senses rise." If seduction counts on this thread)
"Love Minus Zero"(No Limit),Dylan: "She never stumbles, got no place t to fall. She's nobody's child, the law can't touch her at all."

Don Allred, Thursday, 26 August 2004 06:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I had said Nina Simone "The Other Woman", up there somewhere. doi

A lot of people do think she sounds like a man.

then there's always "Jane Says"

Thea (Thea), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I forgot how hilarious "Little Baby Nothing" is.

I don't think any of Dylan's songs show any sympathy or identification with a woman's pain, except maybe "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll". Songs like "Just Like A Woman" are about Dylan's contempt for the weakness of women, imho.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Songs like "Just Like A Woman" are about Dylan's contempt for the weakness of women, imho.

that's what I thought, too.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
Bob Dylan, Sympathist:


Ramona, come closer,
Shut softly your watery eyes.
The pangs of your sadness
Shall pass as your senses will rise.
The flowers of the city
Though breathlike, get deathlike at times.
And there's no use in tryin'
T' deal with the dyin',
Though I cannot explain that in lines.

Your cracked country lips,
I still wish to kiss,
As to be under the strength of your skin.
Your magnetic movements
Still capture the minutes I'm in.
But it grieves my heart, love,
To see you tryin' to be a part of
A world that just don't exist.
It's all just a dream, babe,
A vacuum, a scheme, babe,
That sucks you into feelin' like this.

I can see that your head
Has been twisted and fed
By worthless foam from the mouth.
I can tell you are torn
Between stayin' and returnin'
On back to the South.
You've been fooled into thinking
That the finishin' end is at hand.
Yet there's no one to beat you,
No one t' defeat you,
'Cept the thoughts of yourself feeling bad.

I've heard you say many times
That you're better 'n no one
And no one is better 'n you.
If you really believe that,
You know you got
Nothing to win and nothing to lose.
From fixtures and forces and friends,
Your sorrow does stem,
That hype you and type you,
Making you feel
That you must be exactly like them.

I'd forever talk to you,
But soon my words,
They would turn into a meaningless ring.
For deep in my heart
I know there is no help I can bring.
Everything passes,
Everything changes,
Just do what you think you should do.
And someday maybe,
Who knows, baby,
I'll come and be cryin' to you.

Sean Howe (seanmhowe), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

Joe Budden - 3 Sides 2 a Story
1 verse delivered 1st person pov of an abused teenage girl (he doesn't do the voice). It's pretty affecting.

jcartledge (jcartledge), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)

wow that's gay

corey c (shock of daylight), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:43 (twenty years ago)

Morrissey - November Spawned A Monster

daavid (daavid), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

The Coup: Wear Clean Drawers (the most feminist song ever made by a male rapper?)
Killer Mike: All 4 U (Niecy's Song)
De la Soul: Baby Fat

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

Cornelius Bros., "Treat Her Like A Lady."

Strange as it seems/You know you can't treat a woman mean. Yes, that's strange alright.

mike a, Monday, 5 December 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

That's very weird. I don't get it - is it a paradox?

moley, Monday, 5 December 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

wow that's gay
Not in a good way?

jcartledge (jcartledge), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 00:46 (twenty years ago)


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