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how good is this?

that's not rhetorical, i genuinely want to know.

and yes i have been reading the kurt 'JOURNALS' book.

it was re-released in 93 right?

― piscesboy, Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

very very good indeed. good luck finding a copy, though.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

we have it for sale used.

yeah, it's good.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

odyshape might be better tho

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

wait...i'm not *buying* it!

― piscesboy, Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Jess OTM. Odyshape IS better - every single rule in the rulebook of rock and roll is chucked away gleefully here. Every single one. It 's another language. Or gently ticking clock in a dusty room.

But the debut is also fantastiche - fun all the way. Gotta play this later.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 26 August 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my fave groups. I must hear 'odyshape'.

this may also be of interest to you.

Slits vs Raincoats

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:03 (twenty-one years ago)

"No Side to Fall In" from the self-titled is truly weird and great.

― Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 26 August 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer the S/T but Odyshape is very good.

(There are rule books other than the rock one BTW)

― mei (mei), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The s/t is awesome. Really great. And I see it all the time. I think Geffen re-released it in the '90s. A cashcow for them.

― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

was a more faithful edition of Moving than DGC's ever issued on CD? maybe in Japan?

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:42 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

Good point Mei. But it rips up all the other rulebooks too.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 26 August 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

moving is sort of boring - odyshape is really good, but i think more in theory than in practice. s/t is a fucking AWESOME album. when "no looking" finally straightens out, its one of the more cathartic, bracing moments in punk-related music.

my gf got me s/t for christmas (for $15 or 17 on half!), and then i got the other two fairly cheap online. there was a used odyshape when i was at amoeba in hollywood for $12 a few weeks back. might still be there...

― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 26 August 2004 13:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I like moving, I think it's underrated. Theres a cool remix of Animal Rhapsody by Dennis Bovell that most recently showed up on a Chicken Lips compilation.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

The Raincoats and Odyshapes are both way better than they deserve to be (from the point of view of someone who usually prefers music by people with traditional technical competence). The lyrics occasionally throw out flashes of real poetry in fragments.

(I don't have a very clear idea of what's on what album, since I just have an old taped copy, which somehow came out with really good sound quality and continues to hold up, without song titles.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Palmolive ruled

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I think they were must have made these albums in a state of inspiration, to be able to put together such great sounds.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe ill try moving again sometime, dan - i was just unimpressed with it after being totally floored by the first two. i think my main complaint is the too-far swing to reggae-ish stuff, when its the alchemy of the dub/punk/caterwauling/lo-fi that makes s/t so exciting.

plus, its criminal(-ly awesome) how much "in love" sounds so much like the velvet underground, except with banshees singing instead of lou.

― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I love this album

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I'm too conventional to dig Odyshape in its entirety (though
"Shouting Out Loud" is killer). The Kitchen Tapes is all the post-debut material I really need.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, i'll rephrase my question from up-thread. does anyone know why DGC butchered their Moving reissue? half as many tracks as the original LP. even the cover has been mangled, with one of the four happy handholders cropped out. was this deliberate?

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Thursday, 26 August 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a good photo of Palmolive in the liner notes to the forthcoming Prefects CD. Just sayin'.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

"odyshape" is best, but this is v. good. i always get a kick out of the savage review that their albums got in the first "rolling stone record guide."

it's funny how these albums were widely re-released, then made a part of geffen's cheapo line, thus widely available for about $7.99, then suddenly out of print and selling on ebay for $25. i guess i'm kind of old.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm impressed they didn't get dropped the second Kurt Cobain hit the floor.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

or where they a memorial signing? i forget

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

btw, Gina Birch has some GREAT songs on the reunion album, "Don't Be Mean," "Pretty" and "Babydog" in particular. Did her Kill Rock Stars solo album ever come out?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 26 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

they are both so wonderful. it was a gleeful day to find perfect vinyl copies of these back in atx. getting them for under $60 on CD in post-geffen days is a bit tougher.

― Bbeta, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Both wonderful indeed, in very different ways.
Some who haven't heard it might be interested to know that Odyshape features Robert Wyatt and Charles Hayward.

I noticed Gina Birch directed a video by one of the recent post-punk revivalists, the Libertines maybe.

― nono, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I have heard it and am interested to know Robery Wyatt is on it. I must have known that at some point, I guess.

― Rockist-Scientist, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't pay collector scum princes for the DGC reissues on CD. For one, e-bay has enough copies that price have come down to the $15 range. Beyond that, djangos.com has at least one used copy of the self-titled release and Odyshape on the website for $8.99 (not including +10% discount promotion) and their shipping's generally reasonable.

― ng, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Errr...prices. I meant prices. But don't pay the collector scum priNces, either, as they have a Scrooge McDuck-sized vault of Raincoats CDs and they'll just use your money to stuff their matresses.

― ng, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

...and they just flew out of djangos.com.

Damn, this board flies fast.

― ng, Thursday, 26 August 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

does anyone know why DGC butchered their Moving reissue?

When I interviewed them, I asked about this and didn't get a real answer. My hypothesis is that it has something to do with Vicky Aspinall, who declined to take part in the Raincoats reunion.

― mike a, Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Best cover of "Lola" ever.

― sexyDancer, Thursday, 26 August 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't feel like I needed another "Lola", though the original song is great but everything else from them I've heard I absolutely adore.

Trivia: Johny Rotten once said back in the day that all music at that time was crap - except for the Raincoats.

― Thea (Thea), Thursday, 26 August 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

If "Lola" had been left off, it would be a perfect record to me (same goes for Slits Cut cd with "I Heard It Through The Grapevine"). Odyshape didn't grab me really, a couple good songs and the rest was.. ehhh. Surprised to see it getting such bigups here.

― joseph pot (STINKOR™), Thursday, 26 August 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was just rememebering when Geffen released these, and I thought they didn't sell as well as they had hoped, so Geffen slashed the price to $5.99. Then they went out of print.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 27 August 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I regret no longer owning the DGC reissue of the s/t album. Great record.

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 27 August 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Trivia: Johny Rotten once said back in the day that all music at that time was crap - except for the Raincoats.

-- Thea (theaboy...) (webmail), August 26th, 2004 2:13 PM. (Thea) (later) (link)
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he seemed to say the same thing at other times, only would subsitute "van der graaf generator" or "big youth" for "raincoats."

it's only thanks to k. cobain that they (and the vaselines!!!) got a geffen reissue at all. i'm not suprised geffen has taken them out of print, i only hope they will allow some smaller label to license the recordings for another release so no one feels compelled to pay through the nose.

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I like "Moving" best, I think. It's got the flava

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

And big shuddery bass sound and stuff, never paid more than like $10 for a Rs record

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

rbt wyatt is all over that one i believe.

i got the two raincoats records so long ago (by my standards: maybe about 7 yrs ago??) i don't remember where i bought them or how much i paid. i think they were even available through columbia house for a while!! (like the OOP monks reissue and the old gang of four reissues on infinite zero which are now worth $$$$)

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

the slits "i heard it through the grapevine" is my favorite cover of all time! so weird and spooky-sounding.

i always meant to check out the vaselines, are they good?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Awesome.

I had a tape of everything the Raincoats ever did, but I lost it.

Has anyone got it on CD?

― Sasha (sgh), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

J.D. if you want me to throw the Vaselines CD in the other stuff, just ask (I think you'll dig it - the first 6 or so songs are KLASSIK).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

oh wait! nevermind! I'm not getting rid of it. I'll burn you a copy though.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sending those CDs on Monday.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah anthony, thanks!!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

someone stole my vaselines cd, but i don't remember who.

is that one out of print too?

― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Wyatt on "Moving"? Nope.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

just found your interview with the band, Mike. nicely done. so, between conjecture and creative differences, i'm satisfied that the fate of Moving has been explained. at least the glorious "Dreaming in the Past" - and did the Raincoats ever record a more nakedly beautiful song? - reappeared on the Japanese Requiem by Rough Trade CD. what about the other "lost" Moving tracks?

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Well um they're on the Lp, y'know

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

right. hence "lost." and there is something to be said for the convenience of having favorite songs on CDs.

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to me. I paid US $3 for that Lp, and one day you could do the same! Buy a turntable!

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I must have paid about the equivalent of US$3 for my copy.

Brand new, the day it came out.

Everything was cheaper back then 'though.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

why do i need a second turntable?

― echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

So hang out till you find the Lp, man. Life is long and you must buy records.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Vinyl definitely rools.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 27 August 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The Voooooid, and stuff.

― Fergal (Ferg), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...

Was there an edition of The Raincoats without "Fairytale in the Supermarket"? Just downloaded a copy of this album lately and I don't recognize this song. It's not on my old taped copy of this album.

― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 21 May 2005 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i think there might have been! FITS was a pre-lp single and rough trade often was in the habit of leaving such things off of the lps so as to avoid record-industry-style redundancy.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 21 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

A great album I dont listen to very often.

― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 21 May 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

You can buy the UK (in-print) version of the CD from roughtrade.com for a reasonable price, by the way.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Saturday, 9 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Thanks. If I decide to finally buy a copy of The Raincoats, I'll get that one.

― RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 9 July 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

How has this not been reissued yet? What the fuck is going on??

― giantBehemoth (makelove), Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:23 (twenty years ago)

If "Lola" had been left off, it would be a perfect record to me (same goes for Slits Cut cd with "I Heard It Through The Grapevine")

Madness!

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:08 (twenty years ago)

How has this not been reissued yet? What the fuck is going on?

Well, is DGC still clutching the rights to these albums in their cold, dead hands?

― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Thursday, 16 March 2006 08:34 (twenty years ago)

I ordered s/t not too long ago from Rough Trade. For a sane price too. I think they are also offering the three albums sold together. I don't think you can get them seperately, except for of course s/t.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Thursday, 16 March 2006 10:20 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

does anyone know if the demo recordings made by ana de silva and charles hayward following the break up ever saw the light of day? apparently under the name 'roseland'

― Doopchester, Saturday, 20 May 2006 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I also ordered the s/t album from Roughtrade.com... got here pretty quick, in less than a week from the UK to Canada. I'm definitely glad I came on this board and found that rather than paying those high collector prices... weird that's it not available in stores, but I do admire Rough Trade for at least making it available on their website, which unfortunately most labels don't do.

― Warren, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 01:03 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

should i sell my cd copies of the s/t lp and "odyshape" on ebay? i mean, i don't want to part with them exactly, but if they are likely to be reissued again in some other form....

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 4 July 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

I have never heard this band, but I would like to.

Where should I start?

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 18 February 2008 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

i would try this: http://pasamusica.blogspot.com/2008/02/raincoats-raincoats.html

― artdamages, Monday, 18 February 2008 03:56 (eighteen years ago)

^ a bro among men

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 18 February 2008 03:58 (eighteen years ago)

so lazy i decided to dl even though i have the cd somewhere.

― artdamages, Monday, 18 February 2008 04:00 (eighteen years ago)

four years pass...

http://wbom.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/red-heart.png

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:06 (fourteen years ago)

love this album :)

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:06 (fourteen years ago)

<3
i recommend this. not the greatest recording, but pretty awesome nonetheless. http://ow.ly/bqKWk

― tylerw, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:10 (fourteen years ago)

OMG that photo!

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2sfepIArc1qzy30io1_500.jpg

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:12 (fourteen years ago)

when "no looking" finally straightens out, its one of the more cathartic, bracing moments in punk-related music.

― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:06 AM (7 years ago)

Ditto--and before it straightens out, it's amazingly sad and mournful and beautiful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61Ocno-uI3s

― clemenza, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:14 (fourteen years ago)

ha, yeah that photo should be the first thing you see when you walk into the r&r hall of fame.

― tylerw, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:18 (fourteen years ago)

oh man tyler, i've been meaning to ask you, do you have any early/richard hell-era television bootlegs? are the hell tracks just songs that ended up on heartbreakers records?

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:30 (fourteen years ago)

why yes, yes i do: http://ow.ly/bxhvi

― tylerw, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:35 (fourteen years ago)

awesome, thanks!

― flopson, Tuesday, 12 June 2012 20:42 (fourteen years ago)

one month passes...

"in love" sounds a lot like how falling in love feels, the way the chorus stumbles over itself hai hai hai hai hao hao hao

― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:48 (thirteen years ago)

man i don't think i have listened to anything but this album since last time i bumped this thread lol

― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:48 (thirteen years ago)

last year i discovered that lola was actually a cover by some other inferior band

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:53 (thirteen years ago)

by, of

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:54 (thirteen years ago)

i really like this lp and less so odyshape which is similar to how i feel about 69 and i by ar kane where i love the early more restrained lp than the eclectic followup beloved by ~experimental~ types

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 14 July 2012 18:56 (thirteen years ago)

imo the debut is one of the most genuinely (or, literally?) experimental albums i've ever heard (i don't listen to many experimental albums) everything on it sounds like it happened by pure chance or wild exploration. i feel like just the fact that it exists & sounds the way it does is a small miracle, they obviously have so little grasp of formal properties of music, audibly unfamiliar with their instruments (We rehearsed for hours. You probably couldn’t find a band that rehearsed more than we did, but we always fell apart.), and yet they made this thing that is so well-conceived and perfectly assembled

― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:02 (thirteen years ago)

ha i had the same xp, kinks version suxx (in comparison) imo

― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:03 (thirteen years ago)

i haven't delved into odyshape yet but the debut isn't so restrained, or maybe... i dont know. "no looking" is such a wonderful joyful release tho no no looking no no looking no no looking no no looking

― carly rae (flopson), Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:07 (thirteen years ago)

what dark corner of britain were you living in to not know the kinks' lola, nakh?

(i wrote a bit about the obv superior raincoats lola in my masters dissertation, could perhaps fit in your theory + pop music thread if it wasn't hidden away somewhere.)

― Merdeyeux, Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:53 (thirteen years ago)

are the kinks that well known? i only heard waterloo sunset a couple of years ago

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:57 (thirteen years ago)

as in yes they are famous among music ppl like ilx pplor q mag ppl but they are much much more easily avoided than the beatles the stones etc

― nakhchivan, Saturday, 14 July 2012 19:58 (thirteen years ago)

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