The Smiths - "Girlfriend In A Coma"

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Okay, it isn't that bad. Still don't like it (although the guitar is pretty).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Troll.

sexyDancer, Friday, 27 August 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

In a weirder tv/music moment, it was briefly the theme for "The Drew Carey Show." How tender.

Abbitt, Friday, 27 August 2004 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I once made a mash-up (in 1997! before they were cool!) with this song, a Ben Folds Five track whose name I forget, and a Malcolm X speech. It was pretty sweet.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i don't like the ethereal b.g. vocals at the end. the bridge can kind of get me excited if i'm not feeling too cynical.

amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I love it. It's funny!

n.a. (Nick A.), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite Morrissey's claims that "It's serious."

n.a. (Nick A.), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like it either. To me it sounds "country" in a silly kind of way. The strings are nice though.

daavid (daavid), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not bad at all. I think it's brilliant.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like a jingle for closet cases

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Played it (in between Motorhead and Howlin' Wolf!) during my very first show as a campus radio DJ. We weren't huge Smiths fans, my cohost and myself, but "Strangeways, Here We Come" was a new arrival and we liked the song title. It ain't bad.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

the beginning of the song is very awkward with the bass and stuff.

there were times when i could have murdered her. ...

...

but you know i would hate anything to happen to her ...

fucking genius. fucking best group ever. even better than the beatles. before i thought they were the beatles of the 80s. i would have realized their genius sooner if they'd been around in my teens.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it's such a literal song. it practically begs to be read as camp.

amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it a lot; I like the strings, the gentle comedown from 'Death of a Disco Dancer', and the relaxed feel that makes a wonderful counterpoint to Moz's mantra of "It's serious".

This was actually one of my favourite songs through the spring. I put in on my march mix CD for posterity:

1 josh rouse - 1972
2 stars - elevator love letter
3 the supremes - i hear a symphony
4 america - sister golden hair
5 the smiths - girlfriend in a coma
6 rick springfield - love is alright tonight
7 cheap trick - i want you to want me
8 tina turner - we don't need another hero
9 pet shop boys - west end girls
10 strange advance - we run
11 saint etienne - hate your drug
12 starship - we built this city
13 weeping tile - through yr radio
14 morrissey - suedehead
15 ted leo and the pharmacists - bridges, squares
16 the lilac time - so far away

derrick (derrick), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't even think about it when considering Morrissey. It's like including "You Got The Right One, Baby (Uh Huh!)" in a Ray Charles retrospective.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

mentalist.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

(it's one of a handful of Smiffs tunes that i genuinely like.)

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

what is camp? i always refused to understand this word. camp for me sounds like konzentrationslager. i know it is something else. but still.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Girlfriend in a Coma":Smiths fans as "Shiny Happy People":REM fans in terms of loyal longterm fan hatred of the song as a "sell-out" or something vs. casual fan appreciation of the nice pop ditty.

n.a. (Nick A.), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

camp

n.
An affectation or appreciation of manners and tastes commonly thought to be artificial, vulgar, or banal.
Banality, vulgarity, or artificiality when deliberately affected or when appreciated for its humor: “Camp is popularity plus vulgarity plus innocence” (Indra Jahalani).

adj.
Having deliberately artificial, vulgar, banal, or affectedly humorous qualities or style: played up the silliness of their roles for camp effect.

amateur!!st, Friday, 27 August 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah but I love "Shiny Happy People" and I'm way more of an REM fan than I am a Smiths/Mozz fan.

CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

affektiert, geziert, kitschig in german according to my dictionary. is that more or less the synonym to corny (blöd, kitschig schmalzig) in british english?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Friday, 27 August 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

camp is different than corny, it has an element of irony, not to mention a strong association with homosexuality.

sexyDancer, Friday, 27 August 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think "Girlfriend in a Coma":Smiths fans as "Shiny Happy People":REM fans

I think "Bigmouth Strikes Again" is playing that role -- it's the Smiths song that got played in all the retro 80's student pubs.

Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What about the shoplifting song? The Smiths have lots of novelty tunes.

artdamages (artdamages), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

'Girlfriend In A Coma' in only hated by a few noisy people on ILM, not Smiths fans in general. I don't think any song fulfils the 'Shiny Happy People' role.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't everyone hate "How Soon Is Now"? Just me? oh.

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, yeah, I don't hate it by any means, but I think that's the Smiths song that's compartively rated highest by non-Smiths fans as compared to fans.

Alba (Alba), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

That's cause it makes the Smiths come across as Depeche Mode.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(and fuck Depeche Mode.)

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

a genius of a pop ditty from a band that excelled at pop ditties.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

and fuck Depeche Mode

Ahem.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously Ned. No need to argue over this. I understand that we all have lapses in judgement!

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, you do.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Both of us! All of us! No one is perfect!

Ian c=====8 (orion), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Fun enough song. Not exactly one of their best but a more enjoyable single than, say, "The Boy With the Thorn in His Side".

The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Friday, 27 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

am i the only one who thinks there's a not-so-subtle hint in the song that HE (the singer)'s the one who put his girlfriend in a coma? "there were times when i could have strangled her..."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 27 August 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a Smiths song. Therefore, it sucks.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 27 August 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i watched morrissey on tv last night. he's looking a bit like jim backus.

keith m (keithmcl), Saturday, 28 August 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

another stirring dismissal from mr. snrub.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Saturday, 28 August 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What about the shoplifting song? The Smiths have lots of novelty tunes.

Replace the "shop" with "shirt" in "Shoplifters Of The World Unite." The rest of the lyrics will make more sense too.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Saturday, 28 August 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah J.D., could be -- here's the lyrics:

Girlfriend in a coma, I know
I know - it's serious
Girlfriend in a coma, I know
I know - it's really serious
there were times
when I could
have 'murdered' her
(but, you know, I would hate
anything to happen to her)
NO, I DON'T WANT TO SEE HER
Do you really think
she'll pull through?
Girlfriend in a coma, I know
I know - it's serious
there were times when I could
have 'strangled' her
(but, you know, I would hate
anything to happen to her)
WOULD YOU PLEASE
LET ME SEE HER!
Do you really think
she'll pull through?
Let me whisper my last goodbyes

I know - IT'S SERIOUS

also the 'I know its serious'. How does he know? (and also he mentions he could've 'murdered' her in the first verse). I got this from a smiths webpage and the 'I would hate anything to happen to her' is in brackets too.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 28 August 2004 09:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This song was ruined for me by Bill Bailey and Rick Wakeman breaking into 'Bender In A Ski-lift' on NMtB while dressed as wizards (a Christmas special?) and I can't listen to it without thinking of that.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 28 August 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Great song, but only when Mojo Nixon does it.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Saturday, 28 August 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the silly punctuation, brackets, etc. Morrissey was good at that, then.

N. may be right about what other people think, but if so I don't share their views, for I love 'How Soon Is Now?'.

Someone said the start of 'GIAComa' was awkward. And that is true: why does it start in that odd way? It should maybe have commenced with a pretty guitar intro, I think, naturally.

I have long been 'influenced' by the last note, the G flat or whatever it is. I make that move practically every time I pick up a guitar.

the bellefox, Saturday, 28 August 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that person upthread joking about 'Shoplifters' being a novelty song?

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 28 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

'Shoplifters' is a song I don't seem to enjoy as much as I would like to.

the bellefox, Saturday, 28 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

It's one of my favourite handful of Smiths tracks these days. I'm very keen on Smiths songs that mix the personal with broader themes (Shoplifters, TQID, Panic, Shoplifters etc.)

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 28 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I share utterly that predilection, in theory. But 'Shoplifters' feels like the least enjoyable of the ... 3 songs that you mention.

the bellefox, Saturday, 28 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

The "I tried living in the real world instead of a shell / but before I began... I was bored before I even began" line gets me every time.

Alba (Alba), Saturday, 28 August 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

Exactly:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/he/photo/movie_pix/mtv/mtv_movie_awards_2003_photos/andy_dick/mtv4.jpg

I mean, again, he's not going to win Mr Universe but he's certainly in enough shape to be able to have an advantage over many people (esp, say, someone who's 5'2" and 115 lbs).

http://www.corryzahn.com/pages/music/m/covers/7e09460a_1.jpeg

But, as I said, this is all kind of beside the point anyway. I just want to practise trying to get pictures to load.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 30 August 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

(and am way too easily distracted when researching. I need to swear off this board for a while.)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 30 August 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Morrissey played How Soon Is Now and Shoplifters of the World Unite at either end of his set at Leeds, both sounded much better than I would have expected.

Fergal (Ferg), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

*insert snarky comment a la "both songs are light-years above solo Morrissey material, so SHOCKAH" here*

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

You're mostly right on that count.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 30 August 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, calling "Shoplifters..." a rock song that fails to rock is really, really, really wrong.

Why? Is it not supposed to rock? The guitars need to be turned UP anyway.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

You could always, you know, turn up your speakers.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

that song has a v. awkward melody (never mind the question of rocking or not rocking)

amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)

You could always, you know, turn up your speakers.

But that turns up the vocals and drums too! And they need to be turned DOWN!

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Um, no it doesn't. The melody is really simple and straightforward given the backing track (although the last refrain with the eight million words crammed into it is awkward lyrically).

When the Smiths do a "rock song", it ends up like "Sweet and Tender Hooligan" or "Shakespeare's Sister"; faster tempo, more aggressive guitar, edgier, less mellifluous vocal. "Shoplifters..." is clearly meant to be more mid-tempo and contemplative.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Like 'How Soon is Now?' by any chance?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno i think "shop-LIFT-ers of the WORLD, u-NITE and take O-ver" sings pretty awkwardly....

amateur!!st, Monday, 30 August 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

'Shoplifters...' is 'How Soon is Now?' without the hooks and with the raunchy production of 'Ask'.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

amateur!!st is spot on. It's a clumsy song that needs more work.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i dunno i think "shop-LIFT-ers of the WORLD, u-NITE and take O-ver" sings pretty awkwardly....

It's spelling it out, like a placard.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The lyrics are about 5000x more interesing that 'How Soon Is Now?' or 'Ask', though.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, 'Ask' is deceptive, and 'How Soon is Now' is embarrassingly direct. 'Shoplifters...' is a collection of phrases cobbled together as a song.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The singer is losing his mind.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Which singer?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Now you're confusing me.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Shoplifters is one of my favorite Smiths songs....I don't understand the h8

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Again Am, your beef is with the text, not the melody.

And yes, I would say it's more akin to "How Soon Is Now?".

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Now you're confusing me.

I'm still confused myself, but maybe you're using 'singer' as an equivalent of 'narrator'. If so, I'm excited. In very rare cases do I imagine the story in a pop song to include actual singing.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:56 (twenty-one years ago)

shoplifters is awkward, but in a way that i like. a heartless hand on my shoulder.. a push and it's over.. alabaster crashes down.. six months is a long time.. i tried living in the real world.. etc etc. i love the way it all comes out, jumbled and choppy and breathless.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Exactly so.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(and yes, Eyeball Kicks, I did mean it in the 'narrator' sense. I think Morrissey invented this story.)

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Could someone please explain exactly how and why they believe Girlfriend In A Coma is about him actually harming a woman or being happy a woman is harmed? What is in that song to convey that for you? Because I don't get it.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

double xpost: Yeah I like that too, even though I don't know what most of it means. Does some of it has to do with specific events associated with gay rights movements in the UK?

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Bimble, it sort of sounds like he's got a guilty conscience when he sings "But you know I would hate anything to happen to her".

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost Maybe I shouldn't dive into this again but

Bimble: First, the irony of setting those lyrics to such cartoonishly light and happy-sounding music. It sounds almost like a jingle, as Anthony said. If he was actually grieving about someone he loved being unconscious would he sing about it to that kind of tune with that kind of accompaniment (even throwing in a "ba ba ba ba. . ." bit)? Certainly The Smiths were capable of a more serious-sounding musical setting.

Then, the narrator's need to keep reassuring himself "I know, I know, it's serious". If this was actually a song about someone grieving, these lyrics would be absurdly stupid - of course it's fucking serious when someone you care about is in a fucking coma.

And then the narrator's feelings are really made clear with "There were times when I could have strangled/murdered her" (sung to possibly the most jingle-like melodic bit), which he then tries to suppress with "but you know I would hate anything to happen to her", which comes set to a descending melodic phrase, sounding like an afterthought. At best, you could say that the narrator is conflicted about her actually being in a coma but he definitely seems to have wished her harm.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

(and yes, Eyeball Kicks, I did mean it in the 'narrator' sense. I think Morrissey invented this story.)

Sure, Morrissey probably didn't go shoplifting (even shirtlifting). But isn't the invention the situation, rather than the character? All the songs are sung by Morrissey, are they not? Are there other singers, then, singing, which I've not noticed?

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I just said 'the singer' to be cute, really. It failed.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

('narrator' just sounded too pompous, 'Morrissey' too untrue.)

Alba (Alba), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I never quite understand Smiths discussions on ilm.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sure, Morrissey probably didn't go shoplifting (even shirtlifting). But isn't the invention the situation, rather than the character? All the songs are sung by Morrissey, are they not? Are there other singers, then, singing, which I've not noticed?"

this may or may not be relevant

Morrissey's Smiths Lyrics: Are they 'in character', or from his own viewpoint?

zen fule, Monday, 30 August 2004 22:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember that thread, and it made no sense to me.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

it sort of sounds like he's got a guilty conscience when he sings "But you know I would hate anything to happen to her".

Sure, I have no problem with that. Perhaps he'd even been in a disagreement with her of some kind when tradgedy struck. Many of us are familiar with momentarily feeling like "we could have killed/murdered/strangled" someone who was actually quite dear to us. Were that person to then be involved in some type of accident, we might feel a tinge of guilt, too.

First, the irony of setting those lyrics to such cartoonishly light and happy-sounding music.

Such has been done before many times before by many other artists. 10,000 Maniacs "What's The Matter Here" comes to mind. A happy sounding song about child abuse. Since it's happy sounding, maybe Natalie really has a deep-seated need to hit kids, right? Who knows why "Girlfriend" turned out to be a happy sounding tune? Weren't they looking for a proper single for an album that doesn't exactly have proper singles jumping off it? I feel there's enough anguish in Morrissey's voice here to counteract any happiness of the tune, regardless.

Then, the narrator's need to keep reassuring himself "I know, I know, it's serious".

Reassuring himself? Or just being unable to accept the seriousness of what has occured? Wanting to swat it away as not serious - to think "she will be okay, it's no big deal" and yet knowing it is in fact, serious, and trying to come to grips with that.

he definitely seems to have wished her harm.

Perhaps. But not any more than we might when we have an argument with a friend. Not enough to raise a hand against them. Not enough for this thread to degenerate into a discussion of Morrissey's ability to be violent against women and thoughts of Morrissey's build and I dunno. I just can't get my head around how all this stuff came out of that song.

I'm glad to see there's a Morrissey thread about his lyrics being in character or from his own viewpoint as I'd had a debate with a friend of mine along those lines not too long ago.

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 30 August 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Not enough for this thread to degenerate into a discussion of Morrissey's ability to be violent against women and thoughts of Morrissey's build and I dunno.

I think some of that might have had to do with Dan and I needing something to do at 2 in the morning. And it's fun to post pictures.

No one, to be clear again, ever said that Morrissey actually does or wants to beat women.

Your interpretation of the song is tenable although I think it seems a little hopeful and less fun. I still don't think the song works very well if you hear it as sincere grieving.

LASID's comments FWIW:

A mocking and "controversial" single, this excellent though lightweight song is an example of Morrissey clearly laughing at those who consider him shocking. His unnecessarily journo-baiting flippancy about death in this song is hilarious in context as he gravely sings "I know - it's serious" before the intentionally foot-in-mouth "there were times when I could have murdered her".
Morrissey makes it remarkably easy for anyone to see he is provoking controversiality by placing "murdered" and "strangled" in quotes - probably why this song didn't actually cause much of a media ruckus when it was released as a single.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 30 August 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder how many people whose girlfriends have fallen into a coma have gone home and played this song

Krankenhaus, Monday, 30 August 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't think the song works very well if you hear it as sincere grieving.

Well I think most of us are partial to the initial way we "hear" songs which is why covers are so tricky sometimes. But here is the point at which I must admit (for I don't think I've actually admitted it here, yet) that as far as Smiths singles go...it's not anywhere near the top of the list, you know?

Bimble (bimble), Monday, 30 August 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I think some of that might have had to do with Dan and I needing something to do at 2 in the morning. And it's fun to post pictures.

OTM

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 30 August 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder how many people whose girlfriends have fallen into a coma have gone home and played this song.

Lol @ u.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

N., you have still not amended your list of 4 songs 2 of which are 'Shoplifters'.

I think maybe you meant 'Ask', save that you don't like it.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Was I supposed to amend it? Oh well. Not 'Ask', no. I'm still to be persuaded that it's anything than a breezy bit of fluff (I'd like to hear the lost version of it though, produced by John Porter?)

Other songs in the bracket I mentioned would include 'A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours'. There perhaps aren't many more. 'The Headmaster Ritual' and 'Paint A Vulgar Picture' are perhaps too specific.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

('Sweet & Tender Hooligan' and 'Meat Is Murder' too impersonal)

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"This Night Has Opened My Eyes"!!!!!

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

No, again, that doesn't fan out from the personal to the societal in the way I mean. I meant explicitly.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Um... "Vicar In A Tutu"?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Err.. no.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

'Death Of A Disco Dancer', of course.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)


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