Gorky's Zygotic Mynci: Sleep / Holiday Classic / Dud

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I think we did this before but I can't find the thread. I've been listening to "Sleep/Holiday" along with "How I Long To Feel That Summer In My Heart". I was very disappointed by both albums when I first got them. "How I Long" just wasn't oddball enough for me and I only liked the first 4-5 tracks at first. Then I realised that the quality of the songs were what made it special, not the amount of weirdness and Welshness.
So I dug "Sleep/Holiday" out too and found that it's actually a pretty good album. A lot of the lyrics are pretty generic Euros (why does he have to sing about seasons in every song?). Red Rocks is beautifully melancholy, Pretty As A Bee is a splendid dronetone thing that builds and builds perfectly, Country is a jolly stomp. By no means their best - it's certainly not as bad as I first thought.

What do you guys say?

dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 29 August 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i stopped listening to gorkys after 'bywd time', so i have no opinion. but my vote is: go back and listen to tatay and bywd time. repeat till dead.

ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 29 August 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I was never struck by "Sleep/Holiday" but I went through the same transition when "How I Long To Feel That Summer In My Heart" came out. I think it proved something about the group, though, that they could write compelling songs without being weird.

Xii (Xii), Sunday, 29 August 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

You started the other thread, dog latin!

NEW GORKY'S!

It has grown on me a lot. Every so often a track drifts onto my iTunes random play and I feel I've listened to it many more times than I have.

'Only Takes A Night' and, especially, 'Shore Light' are beautiful.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 29 August 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and 'Happiness'.

Fuck it, it's a wonderful album, again.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 29 August 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

('Mow The Lawn' is awful, still)

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 29 August 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

what's wrong with 'mow the lawn'? i like when they include the occasional goofy song and while it's not as good as 'poodle rockin' it's nice to break up some of the melancholy. 'pretty as a bee' should have been about 8 minutes shorter.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i really enjoy 'sleep/holiday' because as alba mentioned before it's almost an extension of 'the blue trees', maybe it was to much of a comedown after the wonderful excess of 'how i long...' but i like the sparse countryish atmosphere and the overall quietness most of all with gorky's and 'blue trees' might be my favorite record of theirs anyhow. bwyd time is probably my least favorite record, it sounds like they were undecided where they wanted to go with it, 'tatay' for all the revisionist history was pretty mellow and art-y and 'bwyd time' made some hints back to the corny stage of 'patio' and wasn't successful a good deal of the time.

keith m (keithmcl), Sunday, 29 August 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I was also disappointed by this at first, but grew to like it. The same thing happened to me with How I Long... The one that I liked from first listen, and that got me into the group, was Spanish Dance Troupe. The old stuff is great also, though I've only heard the compilations Introducing GZM and the newer singles collection.

My favorite tracks on Sleep/Holiday are probably "Happiness" and "Eyes of Green, Green, Green"... I even like "Pretty As A Bee" at its full length, although it takes a different type of listening, I guess you could say.

wetmink (wetmink), Monday, 30 August 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

You're right - you have to listen to Sleep/Holiday as if it's IDM. It's taken me an awfully long time to adjust to the fact that GZM are not going to start singing about rampant violin teachers and magical lizards and stuff again. I think they kind of tricked us into thinking they were going to plunge back into weirdness with "Spanish Dance Troupe" (which was also my introduction to them), but then "How I Long" came out and it was a very different story.

I've been listening to Sleep/Holiday and How I Long a lot more over the weekend and they're both wonderful. I think the best things about these songs is each one builds and builds and there's this split second of euphoria when it all comes together -
- the bit where Euros sings "The days seemed so long/and nothing could go wrong/With my heart" on "How I Long".
- the layered voices towards the end of "Pretty As A Bee" which make sitting through about 10 minutes of organ humming almost worthwhile.
- the minimal picked guitar on "Red Rocks"

I think Mow The Lawn is still crap though.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

the bit where Euros sings "The days seemed so long/and nothing could go wrong/With my heart" on "How I Long".

My favourite moment on the album, too.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeh, aww!

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 10:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I reckon the only weirdness in "How I Long" was the soda can album cover. "How I Long" has the slight edge on "Sleep Holiday" for me, but I find both of them extremely lovely.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 12:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the coke can... what the fuck was that about? were they trying to be the New Radicals or something?

it can be a weird album because the songs have a lot of different "movements" to them. it's actually very pet sounds/smiley smile in that way whereas previous albums were more verse/chorus/verse based.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

The soda can aside, the album artwork sure matched the music well: sun-kissed psych-folk, with the heat melting into future summer nostalgia.

I'd like to see Gorky's experiment with singing duties on the next album. Perhaps 4 Euros songs, 4 Richard songs, and 4 Megan songs. It will be an opera about the seasons.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a good idea. 'Can Megan' is not mentioned enough. It was the track I loved most when I first got How I Long....

"I am treasure, I am trouble "

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

yeh, it's good innit?

wow! for a couple of albums i used to have no time for, i'm starting to get really excited about going home and listening to them tonight.

what do people think of Gorky 5? Hush The Warmth is their best song ever and I don't think they'll beat it but the rest of the album is meh.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Get into what I once called the icy melancholia of it and you're away. 'Hush The Warmth' is best, of course, but 'Let's Get Together (In Our Minds)' , 'Only The Sea Makes Sense', 'Hallway' and some others I can't remember the titles of are among their best too.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Do I mean 'Hallway'? Anyway.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hallway is on Spanish Dance Troupe. I know what you mean about icyness though. Always liked the second song on there in Welsh.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Hallway is on Spanish Dance Troupe. I know what you mean about icyness though - like the Gorky's are trapped in a snow desert. Always liked "Dyle Fi" and "Catrin" too. "Sweet Johnny" is their best rock'n'roller, if only for the lyrics and coda.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

The intro to "Hush the Warmth" always reminds me of "Karma Police". Although I think I prefer the former :)

No love for "Theme from Gorky 5"? Gorky's go Russian!

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Not really - it's okay as a novelty but it's a bit like a token effort at "hey we're still a bit quirky" a la Mow The Lawn.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, but I thought "Sweet Johnny" was the token weird track!

Anyone see Super Furry Animals following a similar career progression as Gorky's? Obviously SFA were more upfront and political, but they've mellowed in age just like Gorky's.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but they're rubbish.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer Gorky's as well. This doesn't seem to the current consensus though.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I haven't really heard much latter SFA, but they just seem awful. I saw them on telly at some festival last year in their try-hard fun furry suits and horns and there was that dreadful, dreadful no, you have totally failed at this maturing lark song 'Juxtaposed With You' on the radio a while ago and no, I wish people wouldn't consider them alongside Gorky's. I assume it's just because they're Welsh.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

glad you said this, Alba, because the SFA are a band I kept feeling I should be into as they're always compared to quirky Britpop that I like (Boo Radleys, Gorky's) but despite sort of liking some of their songs, I can't say they've ever really grabbed me. The weirdness always seemed underplayed and forced. It didn't seem very natural, more they'd taken a Shed Seven song and put a few effects over the top.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I like SFA, but not as much as Gorky's. SFA sometimes don't know their limitations and try for too much, I think.

Gorky 5 wasn't released in the US, and I haven't seen an import. I suppose I could download it somewhere.

the bit where Euros sings "The days seemed so long/and nothing could go wrong/With my heart" on "How I Long".

OTM!

That's a good idea. 'Can Megan' is not mentioned enough. It was the track I loved most when I first got How I Long....

"Can Megan" is great, and I also dig her short song "Don't You Worry" from Spanish Dance Troupe.

wetmink (wetmink), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 05:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I always skip "Don't You Worry" for some reason. Maybe I should check it out. "Can Megan" is def. a highlight of "How I Long".

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Skipping 'Don't You Worry' is pure mentalism, and not just because of its length.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Damn, I really should nominate 'Spanish Dance Troupe' for the ILM 90s poll but I don't think I've got room to.

Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 08:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's something about the way the initial "Don't you worry/I didn't say goodbye" bit kind of rubs me up the wrong way. The violin sounds all wonky and annoying.

dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

eight years pass...

Just listening to 'Sleep/Holiday' for the first time in a long time, maybe since it came out. Yeah, it's pretty straight, but some of it's also pretty lovely. I've tried to keep track of Euros' subsequent solo stuff (an old band of mine even supported him once) but I think maybe my tastes have diverged.

michaellambert, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:30 (thirteen years ago)

His solo LPs have been nice, but nowhere near the heights the early GZM albums reached. I really enjoyed his last one, though. Adding Sweet Baboo and the fella from Race Horses probably helped him out a little.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx9jlcBQcDw

Nothing earth shattering, but good enough to put a smile on your face and a spring in your step.

I think either it or Chops are his best.

afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:37 (thirteen years ago)

Richard James' last one is really, really good. He was Gorky's bass player. I'm pretty sure the guitar Sweet Baboo is playing in that vid is Richard James's guitar (if memory serves me right).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri1Wo9stwXQ

Megan plays on a few tracks on the last couple Euros album.

Here's another really nice one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fMkoR-Oenc

afriendlypioneer, Sunday, 3 February 2013 22:41 (thirteen years ago)

I heard Sleep / Holiday described as their Sweetheart of the Rodeo the other day, and that the band should have relocated to Nashville to record it. Kind of makes sense. I haven't listened to it in several years though.

dog latin, Monday, 4 February 2013 09:44 (thirteen years ago)

Sleep/Holiday is the only really bad Gorkys album in my opinion. Walking For Wonter and Pretty as a Bee are the only keepers, the rest is pretty forgettable and Mow the Lawn is their worst single by a mile (may their Lazer Beam?) Gorky 5 is the only other album of theirs that is slightly weak but that does have Let's Get Together, Tidal Wave, Sweet Johnny and Hush The Warmth.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 February 2013 10:04 (thirteen years ago)

I'd agree that it could do without "Mow the Lawn", do bands at Gorky's level still find themselves having to write blatant singles? Not much of a fan of "Poodle Rocking" either.

michaellambert, Monday, 4 February 2013 10:16 (thirteen years ago)

"Walking For Wonter"

funniest typo in a looong time

dog latin, Monday, 4 February 2013 10:24 (thirteen years ago)

All second-tier indie bands of this sort had to have a Poodle Rockin and a Mow The Lawn. The Boo Radleys (another fave of mine) were guilty of this - crowbarring a bolshy singalong A-side with repetitive song title that no one in their right minds would want to sing along with (Free Huey, It's Lulu, What's In The Box) etc...

dog latin, Monday, 4 February 2013 10:28 (thirteen years ago)

"Free Huey" is a prime example! Fairly anomolous to therest of 'Kingsize'.

michaellambert, Monday, 4 February 2013 10:43 (thirteen years ago)

they stick out like sore thumbs every time.

dog latin, Monday, 4 February 2013 10:47 (thirteen years ago)

Free Huey is probably the worst single choice ever by a band I've ever loved. Awful song from such a great album. Eurostar or Kingsize would have been better choices.

Poodle Rockin' is great but Mow The Lawn was the first single I didn't love by them.

Kitchen Person, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:01 (thirteen years ago)

I dunno. I never liked Sweet Johnny either. It's like the Boos and the Gorkys really wanted to be known as nothing more than vapidly jolly Britpoppers to the world at large, and I think it probably put a huge number of potential fans off discovering them. The only post-shoegaze A-sides the Boos ever released that I can 100% get behind (or at least think are fair indications of their sound) were Lazarus, I Hang Suspended, Find The Answer Within, From the Bench and Ride The Tiger. It's not that I outright dislike all the others but (still have a soft spot for some of them), but they were really off-base in representing their style.

dog latin, Monday, 4 February 2013 11:10 (thirteen years ago)

I hear you guys on "Mow the Lawn." It always sounded off to me. "Waking for Winter" on the other hand...great song.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 4 February 2013 12:25 (thirteen years ago)

It's worth noting Euros has been releasing his albums for free for a few years now. Also, he just put up a live one today:

http://www.euroschilds.com/euros-childs-live-2007/

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 4 February 2013 14:47 (thirteen years ago)

Myself and Peter Richardson have started a duo called Ymarfer Corff (which translates as Physical Education).
Our first recordings will appear on the compilation 'Record Las' on the Recordiau Lliwgar label. It's released on the 1st of April.
We contribute two tracks to the album: 'Hi Yw'r Haul' and 'Mewn a Mas'. Both tracks were recorded by Gorwel Owen at Stwidio Ofn. For more information go to: http://recordiaulliwgar.com/

And also....

The next National Elf release will be the debut album by Short & Curlies.
Short & Curlies are myself, Stephen Black (Sweet Baboo), Laura J Martin, Robin Edwards (R.Seiliog) with Megan Childs and Huw Evans (H.Hawkline).
The album will be available on vinyl / download and released sometime in the Spring. Watch this space!

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 4 February 2013 14:50 (thirteen years ago)

I have a lot of time for Euros even though he hasn't done anything all that great in a while. I did like Jonny, but not enough to keep them on regular rotation. "Candyfloss" is a nice song, though.

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 4 February 2013 16:51 (thirteen years ago)


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